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  • #61
    I have a question. What makes opinions like the last couple better then others? It seems like alot of anti slaughter people have a holyier then thou attitude and can't handle someones opinion being differant. Personally I think anyone that would kill a horse just to kill it is rather disgusting but I'm not going to tell them they should never own a horse. Exactly what makes them think there better then someone else?
    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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    • #62
      County- It is possible to humanely euthanize a horse so that they don't experience any fear/pain. It can be done at home in familiar surroundings. A horse going to slaughter tends to be run through an auction, transported for long distances and are guaranteed of feeling extreme fear as they go up the ramp to be stunned. Even if the stun bolt works properly (and it doesn't always), the horse will feel extreme fear. That's not to mention that prior to that you have long periods of no food/water/housed with unfamiliar /aggressive horses/cramped trailer rides/etc.
      There is a HUGE difference between slaughter and Euthanasia.

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      • #63
        Slaughter is not a humane way to "kill" your horse. We are not talking about people killing horses just to kill them. We are talking about people sending horses off to slaughter where they will be tortured, not fed/watered, just to stick $300 bucks in their pocket, verses an owner just euthanizing the horse in a humane way. I think that as an owner ,YOU are responsible for the well being of your horse. Think about it for a minute. Do you REALLY think that this is the best possible way to end the life of your horse?
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        • #64
          I'm very aware its possable thats what I do with my pets. With livestock I don't. My guess is the majority of people support slaughter if they didn't they wouldn't buy anything that comes out of slaughter plants. If you buy anything that does and feel slaughter is a problem then your part of that problem.
          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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          • #65
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you can't pull $150 out of your pocket to euthanize your horse , than you shouldn't own one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            That is not the point. Is it better to euthanize a horse and let the body rot in a landfill or behind the barn than to utilize the meat? I believe in reuse and waste not. To kill and not use is wastefull and absolutley wrong.

            I have yet to say that I am pro-slaughter. I am trying to show that this issue is not as simple as black-white, good-bad, nice-mean.
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            • #66
              Not everyone looks at everything the same way. Yep I sell livestock to put money in my pocket. Why do you have a job?
              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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              • #67
                Once again, we are talking about horse slaughter here
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                • #68
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Equines, are not Bovines or Swine. They are not bred and raised intended for human consumtion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Why not?
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                  • #69
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                    And what you think and feel, how you were raised is all well and fine. But not everyone feels and was raised that way. What makes you better then they are? Your certainly entitled to your opinions. Why isn't the rest of the world? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    county, you're getting a chance to voice your opinions. NO ONE on here is denying you that. NO ONE on here is saying their opinion is better than yours either. Brings to mind that tired saying "agree to disagree!"

                    Geez....must be slow over at the Horseman's Forum, eh?

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                    • #70
                      Why would you not feel compelled to intervene if someone killed a horse "just to kill it"? Doesn't that tell you that that particular human being is lacking in something very important, like respect for life, or maybe even just a little compassion?
                      You are upset because people are sounding like they're better than anyone else, but what about a person that kills something just to kill it? Doesn't that mean that they think they are superior in some way, that they can justify killing an innocent creature just because they can?
                      Live and let live is one thing, but live and let kill for no good reason is quite another. In that case, it's very possible the superior attitude doesn't stop with animals. I work in the criminal justice system as a Victim's Advocate. Quite often, this lact of respect for living beings starts with animals and culminates in violence against humans.
                      And I am not implying that people that send animals to slaughter turn into batterers. I'm saying that complacency is very, very dangerous.
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                      I have a question. What makes opinions like the last couple better then others? It seems like alot of anti slaughter people have a holyier then thou attitude and can't handle someones opinion being differant. Personally I think anyone that would kill a horse just to kill it is rather disgusting but I'm not going to tell them they should never own a horse. Exactly what makes them think there better then someone else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                      DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                      • #71
                        Theres been a number of people that have brought up ther types of slaughter. But for me I sell my livestock for the most money I can. Retired mares bring the most if there saddle broke but if there not next is meat. To me to just kill them, dig a hole and bury them is disgusting and vile. That to me is killing just because I would want them dead. Injured, crippled, sick I can see theres not much else to do with them. But just because I no longer want the horse. Disgusting
                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                        • #72
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LostFarmer:
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you can't pull $150 out of your pocket to euthanize your horse , than you shouldn't own one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          That is not the point. Is it better to euthanize a horse and let the body rot in a landfill or behind the barn than to utilize the meat? I believe in reuse and waste not. To kill and not use is wastefull and absolutley wrong.

                          I have yet to say that I am pro-slaughter. I am trying to show that this issue is not as simple as black-white, good-bad, nice-mean. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          That is the point. I have never in my life seen someone leave their horses dead body to rot behind the barn. It either gets buried or RENDERED...the second choice might be good for you. It is the best of both worlds.The horse gets euthanized humanely , then gets removed from your property and is used(not wasted , as you say)The key here is to euthanize your horse humanely. Talk to your vet and they will give options.
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                          • #73
                            I have been looking at the slaughter issue long and hard for several years. Unfortunately with our disposable horse industry - horses have to die. Horses are bred, foaled, started too early and break down too early - then what??? Horses are bred in this country by the tens of thousands and yet farm land and trails and arenas are being eaten up by suburanization - but we continue to breed. The numbers of American slaughtered horses are terribly misleading as they do not account for the numbers of live animals being shipped overseas or to Canada for slaughter - so don't let them fool you into acceptance. The problem is what do we do with the excess horses we breed? We can't euthanize and render - the rendering plants are at full capacity. We can't bury them - not enough land. We, as horse people have to take responsibility. The registries, the sport associations - are all at fault here. If we didn't have to have speed, frame, spinning etc...at age two - our horses could live longer, more comfortable lives with ONE owner. Think of how many horses some of us have been through do to this or that. We trade them like cars - it's a ridiculous mentality.

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                            • #74
                              Actually flabreds if you've read the posts you'll find a number of people have said I should have no right to do what I do. That I have no right to slaughter. I've yet to tell anyone they should do so though. Seems like a double standard.
                              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                              • #75
                                The rendering plants are at full capacity? Not here, there not even close.
                                Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                • #76
                                  I have a job so that I can buy hay, oats and carrots for my horses, pay their vet bills, pay their farrier bills, pay for my riding lessons, and pay for their training.
                                  Whatever is left over is mine. :-)

                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                                  Not everyone looks at everything the same way. Yep I sell livestock to put money in my pocket. Why do you have a job? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                  DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                                  • #77
                                    If slaughter of animals is caused by breeding then theres been to many since the dawn of time thats when we started eating them.

                                    I think slaughter exists because theres a demand for meat. If no one ate meat do you think there would still be slaughrter for it regardless of how many there are?
                                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                    • #78
                                      Lildunhorse, thats the exact reason I have a job selling livestock.
                                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                      • #79
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                                        Theres been a number of people that have brought up ther types of slaughter. But for me I sell my livestock for the most money I can. Retired mares bring the most if there saddle broke but if there not next is meat. To me to just kill them, dig a hole and bury them is disgusting and vile. That to me is killing just because I would want them dead. Injured, crippled, sick I can see theres not much else to do with them. But just because I no longer want the horse. Disgusting </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        So what you're saying is you'd rather make a buck on an old, used up broodmare by sending her to slaughter.

                                        I know I don't breed anything that doesn't have this combination: Solid show/race record, pedigree, conformation, temperment. If I had a mare that wasn't backed because of an injury but she had a fabulous pedigree I would consider breeding her but all my mares are saddle broke (one is even related to Smarty Jones). Would I EVER cast off that mare after I "used" her up? HELL NO! Would I retire her on the farm and let her live out her days? HELL YES! Probably because with my horse business, I have that luxury.

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                                        • #80
                                          I believe in reuse and waste not. To kill and not use is wastefull and absolutley wrong.

                                          Hasn't the horse been used enough by this point?? It is going to decompose in the ground and fertilise whatever grows over it. I don't see where not allowing Europeans and Japanese to eat our horses is wrong.

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