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  • #41
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
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    Bottom line is if someone eats meat, buys leather or any other product made from slaughtered animals there the ones who support it. Without the money they spend there is no slaughter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    I think most of us differentiate between cows and horses. You may call it a double standard.
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    • #42
      The profit being made by foreign companies. How does this profit us?
      Horse slaughter doesn't not profit me. It takes away from my quality of life.

      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
      How is any of this diiferant for cattle, hogs, etc.? And how does breeding make it the problem? The reason thweres any business is demand and profit, take away either one and theres no business its basic economics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
      DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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      • #43
        How does any export and import business profit us. The U.S. has more business in other countries then the rest of the world combined. Theres people around the world who feel as you do about us.
        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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        • #44
          County, how much of the horse slaughter industry by-product makes it into the system? I don't mean rendering, either.
          If horse slaughter were to disappear tomorrow, how much of an impact would it have, really?
          You say that we encourage slaughter by supporting it, but how much of the HORSE slaughter industry do Americans support? Let me qualify that by not including those that profit by selling to the slaughter industry directly.
          DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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          • #45
            I understand that.
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
            How does any export and import business profit us. The U.S. has more business in other countries then the rest of the world combined. Theres people around the world who feel as you do about us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
            DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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            • #46
              Meat and leather is it besides hooves. Pretty much same as beef. But if those who think that any slaughter system is cruel and inhumane why for one species but not the other? How does one justify it OK to say be cruel and inhumane to cattle, eat the meat, use leather but not OK for another species? Cruel and inhumane is just that there are no differances to the animal be it a horse or a goat
              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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              • #47
                I can't speak for anyone else, but I think I spoke to that in a previous post.
                I can only take on one cause at a time, so for now I'm concentrating my efforts on horse slaughter (and suffering for it) because horses are not considered food animals here. Slaughter facilities are not set up for horses; horses are not listed on any of the USDA market reports; we have to go waaaay out of our way to get slaughter stats and prices; the business is just too secretive. When my local auction house lies to me, when I call Bouvry and get put on hold forever, when a neighbor's horse is swindled out of his possesion and sent to slaughter, resulting in my neighbor's heartbreak because he never expected it, when little girls' cherished ponies are stolen out of their stable at night and sent to slaughter by a vindictive relative...that's tells me it's ok to concentrate on horse slaughter.
                My father never let any of us get attached to any animal that he knew was intended for food. We, and he, were always very attached to our horses, as we were raised to believe they were companion animals, working animals, but never food animals.

                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                Meat and leather is it besides hooves. Pretty much same as beef. But if those who think that any slaughter system is cruel and inhumane why for one species but not the other? How does one justify it OK to say be cruel and inhumane to cattle, eat the meat, use leather but not OK for another species? Cruel and inhumane is just that there are no differances to the animal be it a horse or a goat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                • #48
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                  Meat and leather is it besides hooves. Pretty much same as beef. But if those who think that any slaughter system is cruel and inhumane why for one species but not the other? How does one justify it OK to say be cruel and inhumane to cattle, eat the meat, use leather but not OK for another species? Cruel and inhumane is just that there are no differances to the animal be it a horse or a goat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  I've seen horse leather products before...I never buy them. In fact, my leather buying is way down and basically just shoes...and even that is down from years past.

                  I also buy certified humane meat. Living in California, the best place I've found to buy it is at Whole Foods. I do believe that if I only buy from these people, and convince my friends and family to do the same, then I am sending the best message I can to the meat industry that I will not reward those companies who violate the Humane Slaughter Act and put profit ahead of what is right.

                  I am against horse slaughter for reasons that others have stated very well upthread. I consider them pets and would no sooner condone their slaughter than I would slaughter of cats and dogs.
                  Until they are safe.
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                  • #49
                    And what you think and feel, how you were raised is all well and fine. But not everyone feels and was raised that way. What makes you better then they are? Your certainly entitled to your opinions. Why isn't the rest of the world?
                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                    • #50
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                      Meat and leather is it besides hooves. Pretty much same as beef. But if those who think that any slaughter system is cruel and inhumane why for one species but not the other? How does one justify it OK to say be cruel and inhumane to cattle, eat the meat, use leather but not OK for another species? Cruel and inhumane is just that there are no differances to the animal be it a horse or a goat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      The bottom line here is we are discussing HORSE slaughter , not other species! We are not here to compare slaughtering techniques between species. We are on a HORSE forum. We love horses and we will do what ever it takes to make sure that no horse suffers and is treated badly. These are our best friends, our pets, our lives. If you want to discuss swine and cattle inhumane slaughter...go to that forum! GEEZ!
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                      • #51
                        Never have I said that people weren't entitled to their opinions. I simply answered a question that you asked of me. I explained why I thought horse slaughter was different from the slaughter of other animals. If you don't like my answer, don't accuse me of thinking I'm better than anyone, or that I don't believe other people are entitled to their opinions.

                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                        And what you think and feel, how you were raised is all well and fine. But not everyone feels and was raised that way. What makes you better then they are? Your certainly entitled to your opinions. Why isn't the rest of the world? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                        DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                        • #52
                          Safehorses, I have a great deal of respect for people who walk the talk. Thanks!

                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SafeHorses:
                          I also buy certified humane meat. Living in California, the best place I've found to buy it is at Whole Foods. I do believe that if I only buy from these people, and convince my friends and family to do the same, then I am sending the best message I can to the meat industry that I will not reward those companies who violate the Humane Slaughter Act and put profit ahead of what is right.

                          </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                          DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                          • #53
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daydream Believer:
                            God...the pro slaughter folks sure do jump quick to point out how lovable and darling pigs and cows can be too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Yes, but I'd like to see them do a dressage test with their pig or a cross country course with their cow. You know it's not really true that the cow jumped over the moon.

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                            • #54
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daydream Believer:
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LostFarmer:
                              Don't ASSUME I am pro slaughter.

                              Again don't assume how I personally feel about slaughter but open your eyes to a different perspective. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                              Let's just keep abortion out of the discussion. It really has no place on a horse board. For the record though I am pro life. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              I think that's a great idea, I've seen these off the horse topic subjects come up and I think it's a slippery slope. I didn't bring it up but countered the original statement as a rebuttal. I agree, let's not go there, it just throws the subject at hand off.

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                              • #55
                                Agreed so visit http://certifiedhumane.org/ and let's all look for compassionate alternatives. And also http://matthewscully.com/

                                These web sites are eye openers unless you prefer to remain in the dark please visit the web sites.




                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lildunhorse:
                                All animals are capable of forming bonds with people.
                                All animals are capable of trusting people.
                                All animals feel pain and fear.
                                If animals must be killed, it must be with compassion and concern for each animal. I don't believe the slaughterhouses offer that option and especially not for horses. The slaughterplants are not designed for horses. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                                • #56
                                  Just because somebody wants to do something and it's their opinion doesn't justify allowing them to do it.

                                  That's why they sentenced the BTK killer to 10 consecutive life terms today. Society didn't approve of him killing people and found it especially distateful how he did it. He started out doing this to dogs first. Slaughterhouses are full of this type of person.

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                                  • #57
                                    My kids 9, 7, and 5 raised pigs for sale this year. They raised them knowing the end result. Didn't make it easier. Maybe we need to change the mindset with horses. We know the when we buy a horse that the last stop is the kill pen.

                                    Like I said before I have a horse that has a forever home so I do understand not wanting to let them go.
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                                    • #58
                                      Slaughter houses are full of that type of person? Care to show me, the onmes I've worked at are full of normal everyday people. Some are scout leaders, some are 4-H leaders, some are deacons at church. They work a job to support their families just like everyone else.

                                      As far as bringing up cats, dogs, pigs, etc. I'm not the one that brought that subject up.
                                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                      • #59
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LostFarmer:
                                        My kids 9, 7, and 5 raised pigs for sale this year. They raised them knowing the end result. Didn't make it easier. Maybe we need to change the mindset with horses. We know the when we buy a horse that the last stop is the kill pen.

                                        Like I said before I have a horse that has a forever home so I do understand not wanting to let them go. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Here is where you may be a little confused, the last stop for a horse is NOT the kill pen. Equines, are not Bovines or Swine. They are not bred and raised intended for human consumtion. Especially in this country. Do you reside in the U.S.? If you do , you would know that. If you can't pull $150 out of your pocket to euthanize your horse , than you shouldn't own one.
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                                        • #60
                                          The last stop doesn't have to be the kill pen, does it?
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LostFarmer:
                                          We know the when we buy a horse that the last stop is the kill pen.

                                          Like I said before I have a horse that has a forever home so I do understand not wanting to let them go. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                          DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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