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  • #21
    In the early 90's there were right at 6 million horses and we slaughered 350,000. Today theres right at 9 million horses and we slaugher right at 60,000. If breeding is the reason behind slaughter why the decrease in the kill numbers?
    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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    • #22
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
      How is any of this diiferant for cattle, hogs, etc.? And how does breeding make it the problem? The reason thweres any business is demand and profit, take away either one and theres no business its basic economics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
      Cattle and hogs are livestock. They don't often have a bond with humans. Dogs and cats are generally pets and interact with humans. In order for a horse to be a successfull working animal he must form a relationship with his handler, like a working dog. The trust a horse will place in its handler is truly amazing. He will do things for us that are totally against his nature, like loading into a trailer or jumping a pile of sticks that he could easily go around, often where he can't even see a landing. IMHO it is a betrayal of this trust to slaughter him. Polls have shown that most Americans feel the same way.
      I breed sheep and goats and occasionally horses. I eat sheep and goats, but when my horses are to old to live comfortable I don't send them to slaughter.
      I wasn't always a Smurf
      Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
      "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
      The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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      • #23
        Polls have shown almost evweryone wants to pay less income taxes but thats not happening either. Horses are not pets to everyone and if someone doesn't want to slaughter their horse thats there right. Those rights work both ways.
        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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        • #24
          I find it sad that anyone can write of a species of animals and not care if there treated in a way that some feel is torture. No differant IMO then how Hitler felt about Jews and others. Livestock has no bond with people? Only if you choose that way. I've owned cattle, hogs, and sheep that had very obvious bonds with people.
          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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          • #25
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Cattle and hogs are livestock. They don't often have a bond with humans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I laugh in your general direction. Pigs have been shown to be one of the smartest animals. Cattle are smart as well. Train a cow once and she will remember it forever.

            About every 5 to 10 years a cow will come along that I give a forever home to. I don't see a reason to think every horse that is out there needs a forever home. One of my ponies has that home and 2 don't. That is just the cold hard facts of living on a real farm.
            Lostfarming in Idaho
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            • #26
              God...the pro slaughter folks sure do jump quick to point out how lovable and darling pigs and cows can be too. I think Carol was talking in general...not about the occasional cow or pig someone makes as a pet. In general most pigs and cows are bred for meat or in the case of cows, milk and then meat...horses are not. We handle horses differently from the beginning, as foals, with the expectation that they will become animals that are our working partners. Most people don't intentionally form bonds with pigs and cows they intend to send to slaughter. I know when we raised pigs at home as a kid, we did not since we knew they would not be around long and there was no point in getting attached to them. Our ponies though were our pets just like our dogs and cats.

              So, LOST FARMER...a "real farm" is one that sends it horses to slaughter as well as it's pigs and cows? I don't think so! I have 9 horses out there and another 7 coming in this fall from out west as training and resale prospects...I think that qualifies as a "real" farm and I run it as a business. I don't intend to ever see one of those horses go to a nasty death in a slaughterhouse if I can ever help it if that means buying one of them back to save it from someone like you or county, I will.

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              • #27
                Don't ASSUME I am pro slaughter. I see all animals as livestock. Horse, dogs, cats, pigs, cattle, sheep, goats, and the list goes on. All are livestock in my world. I have a neighbor that sees all animals as pets. Is one right and one wrong? Different set of rose colored goggles is all.

                If you want to keep your horses forever, fine your choice. If I want to sent mine to the kill pen my choice. I will bet dollars to donuts that most of the anti-slaughter people would have a royal fit if abortion was abolished. Why it is a womans right to choose to have an abortion different than to send my horse to the kill pen? Generally speaking, (not rape) abortions are performed after a night of indescretion. Some horses are bought on a whim then reality sets in and they are shipped.

                Again don't assume how I personally feel about slaughter but open your eyes to a different perspective.
                Lostfarming in Idaho
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                • #28
                  I am pro life and anti slaughter.

                  You can't assume anything about people ideas, we are such individuals, we may agree on one idea while disagree on another. You can PT me for my reasons. On this board I am in the minority on most of my opinions and values. I can read the reaction people get when they voice their opinions. I can read where people stand on non horse issues. It's hard to fit anyone into a hole, we are all square pegs.


                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LostFarmer:
                  Don't ASSUME I am pro slaughter. I see all animals as livestock. Horse, dogs, cats, pigs, cattle, sheep, goats, and the list goes on. All are livestock in my world. I have a neighbor that sees all animals as pets. Is one right and one wrong? Different set of rose colored goggles is all.

                  If you want to keep your horses forever, fine your choice. If I want to sent mine to the kill pen my choice. I will bet dollars to donuts that most of the anti-slaughter people would have a royal fit if abortion was abolished. Why it is a womans right to choose to have an abortion different than to send my horse to the kill pen? Generally speaking, (not rape) abortions are performed after a night of indescretion. Some horse are bought on a whim then reality sets in and they are shipped.

                  Again don't assume how I personally feel about slaughter but open your eyes to a different perspective. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                  • #29
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The second picture was taken Monday morning while they processed all the horses they had on site:

                    Kaufman on Monday </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    This is the only one I clicked on. Take a good look at these horses... These are our pets! People...WAKE UP
                    Corner Stone Farm
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                    • #30
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                      I find it sad that anyone can write of a species of animals and not care if there treated in a way that some feel is torture. No differant IMO then how Hitler felt about Jews and others. Livestock has no bond with people? Only if you choose that way. I've owned cattle, hogs, and sheep that had very obvious bonds with people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                      I said OFTEN. I think fewer people bond with pigs than horses.
                      I wasn't always a Smurf
                      Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                      "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                      The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                      • #31
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LostFarmer:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Cattle and hogs are livestock. They don't often have a bond with humans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        I laugh in your general direction. Pigs have been shown to be one of the smartest animals. Cattle are smart as well. Train a cow once and she will remember it forever.

                        About every 5 to 10 years a cow will come along that I give a forever home to. I don't see a reason to think every horse that is out there needs a forever home. One of my ponies has that home and 2 don't. That is just the cold hard facts of living on a real farm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                        I also live on a farm and raise sheep, goats and horses. Please note that I said cows and hogs don't OFTEN have bonds with humans. Not NEVER. And I didn't said they couldn't, wouldn't or shouldn't. I had a sheep who would come when called and loved a scratch on the head.
                        Most Americans are against eating horses and dogs and cats because they are considered to be companion animals.
                        I wasn't always a Smurf
                        Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                        "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                        The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                        • #32
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LostFarmer:
                          Don't ASSUME I am pro slaughter.

                          Again don't assume how I personally feel about slaughter but open your eyes to a different perspective. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          You said yourself that "a real farm" only gives "forever homes" to certain pets/livestock and certainly indicated that others are sent packing to whatever fate awaits them...

                          I certainly see your perspective in that making money is more important to some folks than the animals fate or suffering but don't think that just because some of us don't want to see any horse we bred or sold go to brutal death by slaughter that we are not "real" farmers or horsepeople or whatever. No one should have the right to abuse horses the way they are abused just for the sake of serving them on someone's dinner table in some foreign country. No one will starve tomorrow if horses are not longer slaughtered for meat in this country...they are hardly a staple in anyone's diet but rather a very expensive delicacy meat.

                          Let's just keep abortion out of the discussion. It really has no place on a horse board. For the record though I am pro life.

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                          • #33
                            All animals are capable of forming bonds with people.
                            All animals are capable of trusting people.
                            All animals feel pain and fear.
                            If animals must be killed, it must be with compassion and concern for each animal. I don't believe the slaughterhouses offer that option and especially not for horses. The slaughterplants are not designed for horses.
                            DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                            • #34
                              In order to be a real farm, you must make a profit at some point. At least the IRS sees it that way. In order to make a profit, you must sell a good or a service. Any "farm" that never sells an animal is either a dirt farmer or a hobby (not for profit) farmer.

                              I agree the shipping and packing plant processes may need changing. Humane and clean should be required.
                              Lostfarming in Idaho
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                              • #35
                                Lost Farmer- A farm that needs to sell a horse for 300.00 or so to slaughter, and is relying on that in order to show a profit is lacking something in business accumen. Perhaps a new business plan or new line of work is in order if they are running on that tight of a profit margin. Donation, retraining or Euthanasia should be budgeted into a business plan for those animals that are either dangerous, crippled or unsuitable for breeding. The only reason for sending a horse to slaughter is greed or laziness.

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                                • #36
                                  I know many places that will make a profit even if they don't sell old mares to slaughter and its not greed or laziness its business. No differant then selling a cull cow that no longer milks or raises a calf. Not everyone chooses to kill an animal just to kill it when its done serving its purpose. And thats not a bad thing.

                                  Bottom line is if someone eats meat, buys leather or any other product made from slaughtered animals there the ones who support it. Without the money they spend there is no slaughter
                                  Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                  • #37
                                    There a byproduct, it would be like the sawmills around here burning there sawdust and shavings rather then sell them for horse bedding. The mills won't go broke if they butn them but why would you throw away a byproduct that can be sold?
                                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                    • #38
                                      The difference between you and me county is that I don't see my old broodmares as "byproducts" but as old friends that have served me well. I do not ever expect to make that last $300 on them when they need to be retired or cannot bear foals any longer...I will instead turn them out for a well earned retirement or have them euthanized humanely. Not everyone who is in farming horses for profit is out to rake every last buck out of their stock.

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                                      • #39
                                        Because having them put down quietly and disposed of, or killing them yourself is more humane, if you can do it properly.
                                        I prefer my own well-placed bullet over a stranger with an ineffective aim and a quota.

                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                                        The mills won't go broke if they butn them but why would you throw away a byproduct that can be sold? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                        DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                                        • #40
                                          You are 100% right not evryone sees things the same way nor should they. I'm not saying anyone should do anything a certain way. Never have never will. I will accept no less.
                                          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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