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  • And I'm trying hard to beleive you have any common sense. A slaughter house is the same as any business theres really poor ones, really good ones, and everything in between. The one here can slaughter 1000 head of cattle when its at full capacity on average we do 750. Is there a smell? Certainly theres some smell, there is a smell in large cities from lots of vechicles also. I personally find that smell revolting people that live in large cities think nothing of it. People that live here think noting of the smells in this town.

    Were very proud of our community and the people in it. But to be honest I don't think I've ever been on a forum where theres so many narrow minded people about how others live and do for a living. Troll? I'd have to say from your posts that fits you perfectly
    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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    • I beg to differ about people that live near slaughterhouses not minding the smell, ha.

      Isn't there someone here who might disagree?

      Certainly Mary Nash has commented greatly on the horrors of living next to the slaughterhouse in Kauffman, TX. She wrote extensively about the horrid situation and conditions. The sites and smells she endured on her farm were beyond disgust. I'd hardly say she was proud of this slaughter plant and neither does the town mayor who was elected by the towns people. So I guess you are...WRONG!


      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
      And I'm trying hard to beleive you have any common sense. A slaughter house is the same as any business theres really poor ones, really good ones, and everything in between. The one here can slaughter 1000 head of cattle when its at full capacity on average we do 750. Is there a smell? Certainly theres some smell, there is a smell in large cities from lots of vechicles also. I personally find that smell revolting people that live in large cities think nothing of it. People that live here think noting of the smells in this town.

      Were very proud of our community and the people in it. But to be honest I don't think I've ever been on a forum where theres so many narrow minded people about how others live and do for a living. Troll? I'd have to say from your posts that fits you perfectly </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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      • I'm not saying 100% of the people that live next to a slughter house don't like the smell anymore then 100% of the people in large cities like the smell of smog. I am saying the vast majority of the people who live here are proud of this community and enjoy life here, if they didn't they'd move. But your always going to have a few who complain but thats true everywhere.

        BTW just how much smell do you think there is? Which cities or towns have you lived in where theres a slaughter plant? What was the turn over time for remains to be hauled to rendering? What was the turn over time for livestock to be slaughtered?
        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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        • I just got confused. I was still in horse slaughter mode and couldn't remember there being a slaughterhouse in Minnesota. I wasn't thinking "cows". Never mind. I get it.

          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
          I am in Mn. what would make you think otherwise? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
          DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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          • Well...chicken slaughter houses certainly do stink. One in my old town was forced to put in some sort of fancy water and waste treatment system when chicken parts were dropping out of trucks and people were understandibly offended. While the stench and mess decreased a lot there are days when you simply cannot drive past the place. It is horrible. I cannot imagine living next to it.

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            • Either way you spell it, it's offal (awful).
              Now that I've tried to lighten things up with a really bad joke...
              It seems the tone of this thread has changed a little over the weekend.

              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
              BTW just how much smell do you think there is? Which cities or towns have you lived in where theres a slaughter plant? What was the turn over time for remains to be hauled to rendering? What was the turn over time for livestock to be slaughtered? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
              DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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              • I escort my sheep and goats to the halal butcher and inside the plant the smell is certainly unpleasant. They do mostly lambs and kids and they are NOT smelly animals. There is a very short holding time for the animals, rarely more than a few hours and they are kept inside. They probably process 20 a day. The parts I have been in are extremely clean but the offal has a definite odor.

                I take the my animals down there in winter. Maybe a couple of hundred horses, outside in the Texas summer....eeeewwwww. The manure disposal alone has to be a major issue, not to mention the flies.
                I wasn't always a Smurf
                Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                • County, you said

                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My bet is I've done more to change kill floor practices in this area then all of you put together will in your lifetimes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  We are waiting to be enlightened with how you have done more to change kill floor practices in this area then all of us put together will in our lifetimes.
                  bryn

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                  • I'm still waiting for the answers to the questions I've asked you bryn. You've proven long ago your not interested in a discussion.
                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                    • I think I've decided after reading this thread that trying to explain the against slaughter side to county is kind of like wrestling with a pig in the mud...It doesn't get you anywhere, and eventually you realize the pig kind of likes it!

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                      • The exact feeling I've gotten from a number of people here on the other side. There not looking for answers only an agenda.
                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                        • This is my last post in this thread its becoming very obvious thereas not many actually looking for anything other then to pick a fight. But keep something in mind. This morning when you got up there were horses being slaughtered in a system designed for cattle. Tommorrow the same thing will be going on and next week and next month.

                          I'm sure it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling to know you can sign petitions, and call your congress person, write letters etc. to stop slaughter. But reality is tommorrow when you get up theres still slaughter.

                          So do you actually roll up your sleeves, get your hands dirty ( even bloody at times ) to make real changes that count? Or do you keep on like you have while each day things don't change?

                          Theres members of the clergy that rape and molest kids. Would you close down all the churches because of that fact? Or try and make sure those clergy people are taken out of the picture in the churches?
                          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                          • WEll noted that Pacific solo's questions were not answered. Did not expect they would be.
                            To our departing "friend" - watch out for that famous door............

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                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This is my last post in this thread its becoming very obvious thereas not many actually looking for anything other then to pick a fight. But keep something in mind. This morning when you got up there were horses being slaughtered in a system designed for cattle. Tommorrow the same thing will be going on and next week and next month.

                              I'm sure it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling to know you can sign petitions, and call your congress person, write letters etc. to stop slaughter. But reality is tommorrow when you get up theres still slaughter.

                              So do you actually roll up your sleeves, get your hands dirty ( even bloody at times ) to make real changes that count? Or do you keep on like you have while each day things don't change?

                              Theres members of the clergy that rape and molest kids. Would you close down all the churches because of that fact? Or try and make sure those clergy people are taken out of the picture in the churches? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Hmmm, I beg to differ, County.

                              I am confident that the senate will concur with the house on the Sweeney amendment and come October 5, 2005 (the beginning of fiscal year 2006)the three remaining horse slaughter plants will be shut down by passage of the Sweeney amendment!!! While this will only close them for the FY 2006, it will buy us time (and save many horses lives), while we work to pass HR 503!

                              We are nearing the end of August, and in just 2 short weeks, congress will return to session. PLEASE, contact your Representative and Senators, be sure to do so today!! Ask your friends and relatives to do the same!

                              We are only inches away from really being able to make a difference for the horses. Together we can and WILL end this suffering!!
                              www.horse-protection.org

                              No Horses to Slaughter Clique

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                              • Just in case you don't want to weed thru the whole thread...here's the website that will tell you who your Representative is and how to contact him/her. You can also find your Senators and this site will tell you how to contact them as well.

                                Contacting the Congress

                                There are all sorts of "form letters" out there to help you get started on a letter or email to your congressperson. The Humane Society has one for example. It's super simple to contact your elected officials...I get correspondance from Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, and Xavier Becerra (my rep) every time I write them.

                                Hope this info helps!
                                Until they are safe.
                                www.safehorses.org

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                                • I find it interesting that on another board there is the same link to get folks to call their Reps to vote the other way. Both are horse boards, one is primarly working horses, the other primarly for pets. On the other board, our friend country would have been run off for even suggesting that slaughter methods could be improved.

                                  I find it ironic that the way to make money in ag buisness is to provide the nonesential items. Feed barley is nearly given away but malt barley is in high demand. Hay is cheap unless it is for a fancy rider to feed an overpriced pasture pony. And such useful animals as racehorses are where the big money starts to fly. A safe sond quality working ranch gelding can be had any time any place for 5k. A good quality work team and 6k is time to unload. Take that same gelding or team into the show ring and the price escalates.

                                  If you want to rid the world of horse slaughter, remove the wanton waste at the top of social elite to want bigger, better, faster, stronger.
                                  Lostfarming in Idaho
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                                  • And the bottom line, he never could back up his statements with any facts or proof. I called him on his "spinning" from the start. Nothing changed. Good riddance to him.

                                    Lost Farmer you make good points.
                                    bryn

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And the bottom line, he never could back up his statements with any facts or proof. I called him on his "spinning" from the start. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      I've been lurking for quite a while, and I'm still waiting see YOUR side's "facts or proof" without any "spinning". So far all I've seen is OPINIONS -- like "horses are not food animals, unlike those other animals who are raised for slaughter", which completely ignores the factthat it was largely bred-to-work-not-be-eaten oxen (who brought the farmers west, and were eaten when they gave out on the trail). And the factthe hundreds of thousands of milk cows are not raised for meat yet become hamburger once their milk producing days are done. And the fact that it is only in recent history, since the advent of the internal combustion engine, that the horse has been anything but a working animal, just like oxen and milk cows. And OPINIONS -- like "WE don't eat our horses, so no European has any business eating them either" (even though we pant eagerly for Europe's lead on just about everything else from economic policies to social policies to military policies -- except the concept of eating horsemeat), which completely ignores the factthat a great many countries produce for export products and items which they do not themselves use (when was the last time YOU used elkhorn for anything? How often do you suppose those people making cheap saddlery in India ever even see a horse?).

                                      Until you can explain to me exactly why my congressmen should be asailed with my reactionary, emotional, irrational rantings against horse slaughter, I'm afraid my letters to my congressmen will be arguing the opposite points: Horses WILL be slaughtered as long as there is a market for horsemeat. There will be a market for horsemeat in Europe for the forseeable future. Canada and Mexico will be more than happy to take up our slack, should we be so stupid as to outlaw horse slaughter. Our slaughter-bound stock will be shipped even vaster distances to meet their fate, and Mexico has even more dastardly slaughter conditions than your worse fears about American conditions (those horses are often used in charro rodeos &lt;shudder&gt; as life's finali before the slaughter plant).

                                      When you compare slaughter to things that happen to horses in the name of "sport" -- like horses getting their legs broken with crowbars to collect the insurance, like horses dying on cross-country courses in pursuit of Olympic medals, like horses breaking down on the track, like horses being drugged up the wazoo in pursuit of prize money, prestige, and pretty trophies, like....... ya know what, I've dang near convinced myself that I should write my congressmen demanding that all forms of equestrian competition be BANNED. But that brings up all the "recreational" riders inflicting their attrocious "horsmanship" and ill-fitting equipment on their ever-suffering "companion" mounts, and it starts looking like PETA has the right idea -- bann all "exploitation" of horses in any form whatsoever, that'll fix it!

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                                      • Gee, your first post on COTH, you're really off to a good start. Many laws are based on cultural biases such as not eating cats and dogs. That's not my opinion, is it? No, that's a fact just as American's don't eat horses, why should we send our horses flesh to other countries? Our horses are stolen and sent to slaughterhouses. The slaughter companies have been caught in deceptions.

                                        The slaughterhouses do smell horribly and the cries of the animals are also distressful but not as distressful as it is to them. Imagine if we did this with our dogs and cats.

                                        I don't recall Oxen sports, perhaps there are, pretty rare, don't you think? Not exactly the spectators to watch either, don't think there's an Olympic sport for pigs, chickens, cows, do you?

                                        You've hardly made a good argument, perhaps that's why you lurked so long instead of commenting. I think Onthebit has give some very valuable information and you need to do your own homework, I personally think you came here with an agenda as many pro slaughter people seem to do. Perhaps you've been asked to write this for the slaughter plants?

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                                        • Graysandbays, welcome to the discussion!

                                          You lost me on the oxen thing...if that's your justification for eating an animal that's considered by thousands to be a pet, then fine, that's your perogative. Do you eat horsemeat? Just curious.

                                          Also, the "we copy everything Europe does" is a very weak argument. We don't do a lot of things Europe does...one of them is eat horsemeat...there's no getting around that fact. Frankly, if you ask me, they emulate us a lot more than the other way around. Been to Europe lately?

                                          Why would you be reactionary and emotional on the anti slaughter side of things? Right now, your post seems to be one of the most emotional and reactionary ones on this thread in a while and it's PRO slaughter. Also, please read HR 503...that will answer your concerns about horses going across the border. Not sure how you missed that part of it...it's been referenced several times on this thread...did you actually read this thread and the others concerning slaughter?

                                          And finally, I had no idea that over 65,000 horses died last year in insurance scams, racetrack fatalities, and drugging incidents...care to back up those numbers? Really, I'd love to see that somewhere...I am very interested. And knock yourself out asking for a ban on all horse sports...I am sure PETA would love to help.

                                          Sorry, but I think it's quite a coincedence that county leaves in huff and the very next day up pops a new pro slaughter voice. Not that that's bad...not at all, but curious all the same.
                                          Until they are safe.
                                          www.safehorses.org

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