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  • I wouldn't mind paying a certain amount for the privilege of posting pictures, but I really like the character of this board as a free board: I think it makes it easy for the "big names" to drop in to answer a question that is being raised. What about a certain number of free photos (or free bandwidth) per year or per month, and after that it becomes a pay per posting of picture?

    And by the way, I love the Maddie pictures, because I feel like she is "our filly." Maybe it's just me, but I'd far rather read and see what's going on in Maddie's life than yet another out of focus, dark, picture of someone schooling a fence in a head-shot asking for critique. I also get a huge kick out of Lauriep's photos and the long thread about great riders of the past.

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    • I'd like to see it stay free too for basically ALL the reasons above.

      Willing to pay for special priviledges, buy hats etc. to keep it that way. Think self-moderation won't work, too much arguement-potential. Need actual rules.

      It HAS to be worth some $$ and effort to the COTH to keep this board around. It's a pretty relevant entity.

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      • That would be fine with me, Anne. I just can't justify subscribing to the COTH right now, but want to be able to post pictures when the spirit moves me, or when someone requests one I might have.

        Laurie
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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GotSpots:
          ...but I really like the character of this board as a free board: I think it makes it easy for the "big names" to drop in to answer a question that is being raised. What about a certain number of free photos (or free bandwidth) per year or per month, and after that it becomes a pay per posting of picture?
          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          So many people have said they like the free character of this board. That being said, is the board willing to limit how many photos we post?

          Not that there can't be special occasions, but really, since we all like and want the free board to continue AND the COH is having space problems, I agree with you that people need to restrict over-posting of photos.

          As someone else said, 6-10 pictures are posted and the last one says "now this is my favorite." Or there'll be 6 photos and they all are almost identical but they're a 'sequence' of something that happened.

          P.S. I sort of thought of special occasions as being educational special occasions, and not me posting 10 photos of my horse because it's her 10th birthday or something.

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          • Saddith - I LOVE your pictures. Heck, I'd be willing to pay for your picture-posting-priveleges just to see them
            "These are my principles. If you do not like them, I have others." --Groucho Marx

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lauriep:
              That would be fine with me, Anne. I just can't justify subscribing to the COTH right now, but want to be able to post pictures when the spirit moves me, or when someone requests one I might have.

              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Cool.

              I agree. I've had some of the biggest laughs at some of the photos posted on these boards and I'd hate to lose that.

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              • People are just going to have to get past the idea that everything should be/must be free and that it's somehow "unfair" to be asked to pay for anything. Having spoken with both the editor and the publisher on this issue, you all need to be very aware that the owners of the COTH are not in the BB business and that our little playground costs them money. They've been willing to foot the bill, but we can't just assume that they will do so forever. They won't.

                So what that means is we have to come to terms with the fact that there will be changes made. Saying "I don't want to pay and I don't want anything to change" is not a realistic response to the situation. In other words, we're just all going to have to deal.

                The goal is to make these inevitable changes as inexpensive individually and as non-disruptive as possible to the culture and community of the BB as they currently exist. Personally, I'm in favor of the idea of paying for special names and for attachment posting privileges. If someone abuses those privileges by posting an inordinant number of photos, then Erin can address that with the individual. There might have to be a set level of how many photos even a premium subscriber can post every month. But that is something that, as my trainer says, is "dealable-with."

                As for tying board privileges to a COTH print subscription, there are either a lot of people who weren't around at the time or some very short memories about the incredible bitching that went on the last time that subject got floated around. None of the moderators have forgotten it though.
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                • The about.com forums have a limit to the amount of free space provided for each member to use for photo posting. It is up to the member to either delete old photos or pay for additional space.

                  Seems like a good plan, people like me who cause the additional BB cost can pay up or clean up and the occasional photo poster isn't penalized for my greed.

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                  • Erin, I like your plan - I think it's very smart.

                    BTW, if the COTH folk would like to sell COTH wear online but don't want to go to the trouble to set it up, you might look into Cafe Press. You upload a gif, and then if anyone orders, the image is printed immediately on a shirt, frisbee, mug, tote, cap, whatever, and COTH gets a small fee per each item. There's no minimum order and no setup charge, so it's all gravy, and it's a low-effort way to put a logo on a bunch of items.
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                    • http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/f...7146067431&p=1

                      take my money

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                      • I think it's a good idea, I'll take what I can get as long as the entire board doesn't go subscription. That would be a nightmare! Hey, beggars can't be choosers and we've been lucky enough to have everything free for a long time. The pictures are one of the best things about this board, I'd pay to keep them around. I also like the idea of the paid classified ads, I think that could bring in a huuuge sum of money.

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                        • Thank you, Portia. My thoughts exactly, and better expressed.

                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:
                          As for tying board privileges to a COTH print subscription, there are either a lot of people who weren't around at the time or some very short memories about the incredible bitching that went on the last time that subject got floated around.
                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Oh, yeah, like that would stop some of us from bringing it up again!

                          It does go hand-in-hand with the fact that this BB is NOT what the COH's business is about; it is a very generous playground they provide us and why shouldn't we help foot the bill? Why on earth that's cause for incredible bitching is infuriating.

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                          • Personally, I think the "pay for more priviledges, or privledges above and beyond regular posting" has merit. But I also believe that if the COTH wants to instate something like this, then the forums should be open to all riders of many disciplines ( yes including WESTERN!!!). If you pay, you get to play.
                            I realize many posters are in hard financial states, college and horses, high school and horses, those who love horses but can't afford one yet, etc., but how many of us have paid our dues and are "older and have more insurance" &lt; to quote fried green tomatoes&gt;.
                            A unified effort to keep things going would be beneficial as well..smaller pics &lt;any windows program can do this, or adobe or photo programs that comes with a scanner or digit camera.heck I'll teach a course on it&gt;.
                            I also would subscribe to the COTH if there were more of a universal coverage of riding disciplines....Horse and Rider, Horse Illustrated, Equus, and even Practical Horsemen, already get a chunk of my change, why not COTH, but let's be fair to ALL disciplines, and keep this ball rolling.......
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                            • Original Poster

                              Sorry guys, have been out digging my truck out of snowdrifts all morning.

                              First of all, this is not exactly a crisis. We cut our monthly costs in half by moving to the software we have now. The powers that be at COTH don't mind the bills they're getting at this point... we're just thinking a little farther down the road.

                              We get about 15-30 new members A DAY. The board is growing very very quickly, and in order to keep the cost-benefit ratio where it needs to be, we need to think ahead.

                              Yes, a classifieds forum of some sort is in the works. Yes, banner advertisements are also under consideration, as are a whole bunch of other things. Eventually, we hope to have a lot of "little" moneymakers going that will give the BB its own income to help defray costs.

                              Going completely pay-to-post is NOT anything that is even on the radar screen at this point. I, personally, am totally opposed to it for reasons that I won't bother to go into here... but suffice it to say there's no need to discuss it on this thread, cuz it ain't happening.

                              Now, about some of the points that have been posted.

                              I don't want to be put in the position of playing content police. We have horse-related rules already, and for the most part, people are pretty good about following them, and we do allow a little bit of leeway. I think that system works pretty well.

                              But you can't legislate quality. Not only that, but I don't want to be in the position of having to tell someone, "I'm sorry, your picture sucks, you can't post it."

                              It probably would be a good idea to have a few "public service announcements" about posting photos... obviously not everyone realizes what bandwidth hogs they are.

                              Yes, I realize people would try to circumvent things... but if it becomes really excessive, I think we'll notice and deal with it. And honestly, if someone didn't want to pay the fee and had no web hosting space, but wanted to participate on an "educational" thread like the ones mcmIV mentioned, I would have no problem with them emailing the pics to someone else to post. It would be enough of a pain in the butt that I don't think people would be doing it all that often.

                              Yes, the file size limit can be lowered. I think it's at about 250 kb right now. The reason I haven't lowered it is because I will assuredly start getting dozens of emails saying "I can't post a pic, it says it's too big, what do I do???" You guys have NO idea how much time I spend walking people through computer stuff! But, it's probably time to do this... and time to put something in the FAQ about how to resize photos.

                              At this point, I don't have the ability to limit the number of attachments someone posts, or the number of posts they post. Remember, I can only do what the software allows.

                              And speaking of software, yes, I realize that there may be cheaper solutions out there... but for the size of this board, the Infopop solutions have worked really well. I'd much rather pay a little more to have software with good technical support and reliable hosting. Any money you save by doing otherwise just costs you in aggravation.

                              I don't think removing photos after a certain period of time would do any good at all. We don't get charged for storage... only for page views/bandwidth. 99% of a photo's views probably occur within 24 hours of it being posted.

                              Please also remember that a lot of these suggestions mean that *I* have to do a lot of housekeeping. Which means COTH would have to pay me more, which would probably eliminate any savings.

                              Basically, we're simply looking for an easy way to bring down the amount of attachments. Yes, we could turn off attachment posting altogether... but I think that's kind of a drastic step.

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                              • This is one of the best boards I've been on in a long time. I would not object to paying a fee to access it, with or without the photo option.
                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein

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                                • Erin makes some excellent points, and keeping it simple, by charging a small fee to be able to post pictures, with no other limitations other than size, seems the simplest way to do it. If it were "pay per picture post", there is way too much bookkeeping involved.

                                  As for other folks posting for people who don't pay, this BB certainly has enough volunteer police to let the PTB know of bad abuse. I really don't think that would be a huge problem. If someone asked me to do it, I would consider the merit of the request (a "look at my cute horse" vs "an excellent example of proper equitation or following hand") and go from there.

                                  Laurie
                                  Laurie

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                                  • Although I said I would pay a year ago...I am not against even paying for TH now.

                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yournamehere:
                                    http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/f...7146067431&p=1

                                    take my money

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                                    • I think the idea of paying a nominal fee to post pictures is a good one.

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                                      • I think paying for a Premium Subscription for the ability to post photos is a good compromise and it's fair.

                                        I think COTH print subscribers should automatically get a Premium BB Subscription with their paid print subscription.

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                                        • What about a separate file to post pictures and then only a link would be needed to reach the photo. You could charge for x amount of space on that board per year or per month without too much police work. In fact I think a lot of the people here have a web site where they can put their pictures and then offer a link to them for those interested.

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