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  • #81
    ETBW, you didn't do anything to me. You posted, with a wink, that if you didn't always post photo updates of your horse, Tin would be upset, so I said, also with a wink, then if you know of a person who wants to get that, then send it directly to them.

    The entire point of this discussion is How We Can Help the COH Run This Board Which Is MAXING OUT its space.

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    • #82
      "A Penny For Your Thoughts"

      I owe $33.79

      The Canadians would be getting off pretty cheap

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      • #83
        I personally am opposed to the idea of any "pay to post" plan. I too agree with other bber's that it would alter the feel and general membership of this board.

        I think that we should try a little self regulation first - now that bber's know what it costs COTH, hopefully we will see a sharp decline in photos being posted, and those that are should be under 50K in size. I know that everyone can make an effort to only post 1 or 2 photos instead of 10, and finally figure out how to resize pics!

        I am now sorry for posting a bunch of photos 3 months ago from the WEG trials. If I had any idea about bandwith usage, I would not have posted them.

        But there are times when pics can be educational and fun - so banning them completely would be a shame. The feet thread was a good example.

        I do agree with a a pay for advertising board - if you want to list your horse for sale, you should pay a fee. Minimal fee for tack and other stuff for sale, especially if there isn't a photo.

        Another .02 cents to add to the pile....

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        • #84
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:
          Geeze Anne, what did I do to you?
          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          I think she had a good point - for the people that like pictures of your horses, email the pictures to them Makes sense to me and would save the COTH space.

          For once, I agree with Coreene (hell is bound to freeze over) - 90% of the pictures on the BB are not horse related. I wonder how much space has been taken up by pictures of dogs, babies and cats?

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          • #85
            I haven't read all the following posts but Erin I think your idea about only premium posters being able to post pics is great! I'm mean seriously, how hard is it to link pics to those of us who just NEED to show off our beasties It's an added bonus we can do without if it means we can keep the board

            ~ Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once ~
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            • #86
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ghazzu:
              I think paid classifieds are a great idea.
              I also think paid titles are, as is the fee for photo privileges.

              A "store" for hats, etc., would probably be cool, as I know I had fits a few weeks ago when I thought I'd lost my COTH cap.


              I'd shy away from a fee for everyone who wants to post, though.

              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              The above basicly says it for me.

              I imagine that having paid advertising would necessitate someone be hired to ride herd on it, however, and I'm not sure we want to have to take that on.

              I think paying for titles and even for signature lines would be reasonable, and certainly for pictures, given that links can be done with less cost to COTH. Sometimes links are a pain for the user, but that's the price of not paying for the privilege.

              Besides, that would free me from the pressure I feel to run out an get a digital camera so I can "post pictures, PLEASE!!!" all the time

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              • #87
                Why don't you have a donation forum? Where people can donate via CC to the COTH Webpage?

                I LOVE ETBW's photos of the horse shows!!!

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                • #88
                  I hear you all when you refer to the "fluffy" pictures of cats and dogs and random "see my horsey" shots that aren't interesting. But I see *no* way of regulating that kind of posting other then for mod's to actually remove attachments they deem "too fluffy". I doubt they would be able to do that without causing big commotion over who's picture was worthy and whose isn't. Based on other spirited arguements I've witnessed...

                  I like Classifieds. I like the idea of a mini-ebay type auction board that's free to use but sucks a small percentage of every sale.

                  I like charging for user names.

                  I am concerned about charging for pictures. I can't stop thinking about our "Post Your Feet Pictures" Thread..... for instance. This is educational. This is Erin's stated mission of this board.

                  In addition *some* critque threads including conformation, riding and form are valuable educational tools and not fluff.

                  Also pictures of medical mysteries, equipment and other horse related reference like braiding, clipping, etc.... Those are valuable educational tools. Again - falling within the stated mission of the board.

                  To charge people for posting those kinds of pictures would be a little tragic if it starts to turn people with good information away.

                  It's a tough call. I would probably pay - especially if it were PayPal and it just magically came off of a creditcard and I don't have to mail something.

                  martha

                  Proud member of the * Hoof Fetish Clique *

                  **Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day; teach that person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks. **
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                  • #89
                    Erin

                    Somehow, I get the feeling that this BB is not considered "integral" to the concept of the publication known as The Chronicle of the Horse.

                    Why, If I read the prior posts, these are the reasons:
                    --A disconnect between membership here and subscribers;
                    --A concern about impacting the COTH print classifieds
                    --No thought given to "bundling" the print subscritption to the "e-subscription"

                    Instead of thinking of this BB as a "cost", there needs to be a rethink as to how this BB enhances the offering known as the COTH as a whole publication.

                    For Mr. Strassbuger and the publisher....think of the times that data is "touched" by human hands when inserted into the print version of the COTH. Think of cost savings that could be had if an electronic version were available where the seller had to do "self-service" when posting an ad. I mean, when you buy a book from Amazon, there is not even an 800 number for human contact.

                    I work for a large multinational. My job is to look for cost reduction opportunities. This BB offers opportunities for the COTH enterprise, it just needs to think of the BB in a different light. In Econ-101 terms this is called the "marginal rate of technical substitution"....ie, technology takes over labor and society as a whole becomes more productive.

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                    • #90
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RockinHorse:
                      I have no problem with a premium paid subscription that offers more services like posting attachments. However, if you want to raise money for the BB, how about selling COTH caps again

                      ~~ Does killing time hurt eternity?~~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      YES!!!!! I want a COTH cap! I wasn't around for the first sale.....

                      &gt;^.,.^&lt;
                      ~~Linda
                      (Poster formerly known as BlueGreenBlue)

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                      You can't have everything. Where would you put it all?

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                      • #91
                        I think self-moderation with regards to photo posting is a noble idea but one that would only work for a month or so.

                        Let's face it, we're not supposed to start non-horse related threads, and people do it all the time. And they know they're doing it because they post "OT but..." in the title. I don't know if you can expect people to show more restraint with posting photos. Maybe for a while they will, but then I expect we'll go back to business as usual.

                        And who's to say I won't think my "critique my horse walking into the arena" picture is as worthy as someone else's photo? Who makes that call?

                        BTW, I love some of the photos! I'm right up there with Tin eagerly opening the Maddie photos. I'd hate to see them all go away or only get a few of them. Heck if we go to a paying for photos plan, I may just pay for a few chosen posters memeberships myself! I love those photos that much.

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                        • #92
                          As one who seldom posts pictures, I'm amenable to charging a low fee to post pictures on the BB, or other _cheap_ fees to have special priveleges...I also think it would be a good idea to limit everyone to a sig line of so many characters (like on some other BB's) AND enforce it (there's got to be a way.)

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                          • #93
                            I would have no problem paying for a "premium" BB membership as long as the costs were not outrageous and there were pleanty of little "perks" like having a title under the name, picture posting rights, ect.

                            Anything to keep the BB a happy and fun filled place.

                            Common sense aint so common.
                            Common sense aint so common.

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                            • #94
                              I am on another board that runs ad-free completely by the donations of users. Not everybody donates. I usually pop in $10-$15 around renewal time. As a moderator it's my civic duty, but we get enough to continue running it. Have you looked into other services besides this board provider? Aimoo or Network54 perhaps?

                              I've been in other net communities that raised money by designing t-shirts, mugs, etc specifically for that group of people. One such group raised enough money to run their board ad-free for two years just with t-shirts (designed and voted on by boardies)

                              Yeah, I'm an internet geek. BUt there are ways around it and having certain users pay a "premium" fee doesn't usually work out as well as other options. I know I wouldn't use it. Heck, I link to my photos anyway because I have picturetrail and this is the only board I've used that you can't insert photos into posts. So it's easier to link to them than download them and attach them. But I would consider buying a shirt. There are several places that can print them fairly cheaply.

                              **and people say gov't employees are useless... HA!**
                              "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

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                              • #95
                                [QUOTE]Originally posted by slc:
                                .......if it's possible to monitor, you might consider charging people who make more than x number of posts a month. that would mean frequent posters would pay, and that would include me, .....QUOTE] - but if they started charging per word, you'd be in big trouble ;-}
                                Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                                The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                                • #96
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                                  The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                                  • #97
                                    One question, Erin - how would you balance cost of picture posting rights with your bandwidth?

                                    Here's my thought process - say you charge $10 to post infinite number of pictures per year. I would think that a fair number of your user base would pay the $10 (as it is a small amount of money, and posting pics here is more convenient than uploading them somewhere else and then linking to them here) and then (the horror) post a whole more pictures than they would have normally (have to get your money's worth, after all).

                                    So, would adding a $10 or so fee really decrease your bandwidth? I'm not so sure - yes, you would have a reduction in picture posters, but I think you might also have an increase in # of pictures posted.

                                    I see this all the time in web development - the minute someone has to pay for something, they want to use it to death. When it was free, they didn't notice it.

                                    Does it balance out? The does fee you would charge cover your bandwidth charges, or is it just intended to decrease the number of pictures?

                                    I like the idea of paid classifieds - but I don't know if charging viewers is a good idea (as it would limit the customer base and therefore might discourage sellers) but it is a good idea.

                                    I would pay for an "interesting" title.

                                    I would also pay for access to the board as a whole if things went that way.

                                    You could solicit advertising for discrete banner ads at the top of the page. (Don't do pop-ups though, or people will be out for blood!)

                                    Any way you look at it, you have to operate the boards such that you can meet your cost.

                                    One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
                                    - Will Durant


                                    [This message was edited by WingedPanda on Feb. 18, 2003 at 01:43 PM.]
                                    One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
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                                    • #98
                                      You guys realize that this post is happening while all the people who can't pay for this are at SCHOOL! Personally, I would chip in to post pics, but I don't want to take ANYthing away from this BB. Whatever happened to the classified idea? Or shirts, or member names, or something extra? If the something extra didn't generate enough $$, then pay-to-play -- but I'd do it as a last resort. Just my .02

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                                      • #99
                                        As a past poster of MANY photos on a thread, I would rather pay a small fee for the privilege of continuing to post pictures here. Even though I intend to get all my pictures, along with as many from my friends as I can, up on a website for viewing, that may be 5 years down the road at this rate.

                                        I also think the discussion/commentary on each photo is easier to do with each single picture than trying to pick one out of 25 to talk about or identify from another site.

                                        A short lesson in how to make your pictures an appropriate size for viewing would be helpful, too.

                                        Oh, and I am one of the people that, love the print version of COTH as I do, I can't justify the expense of a subscription with my limited involvement in the sport at this point. So I would vote against tying extra services to a subscription to the magazine.

                                        Laurie
                                        Laurie

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lauriep:
                                          As a past poster of MANY photos on a thread, I would rather pay a small fee for the privilege of continuing to post pictures here.
                                          [snip]
                                          So I would vote against tying extra services to a subscription to the magazine.
                                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Laurie, suppose paid COH subscribers get free priviliges and non-COH subscribers pay a small fee ? Would that be okay with you?

                                          So those who have a paying subscription don't have to pay more, since they're supporting the magazine, and the rest of us since we're getting the benefits w/o the cost, would pay a little something, but not as much as a sub., to post pictures.

                                          That sounds good.

                                          And maybe you wouldn't have to pay anything until you post x number of times, like what, 50? 100? Less? That way it's not offputting or limiting to newcomers and to lurkers who don't jump in to talk but who get a lot out of it, plus also that way if I was really poor I could still read and learn for free.

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