<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ESG:
Xctrygirl and racetb, I think I have the answer.
You see, both of you live where it gets cold. Living in the cold country and working with horses pretty much sucks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
So close, but no. That cottage example was based in Southern Pines, NC. Which is also warm in the winter. And on top of that since we have warmed up to 70 degrees this week here I hadn't even thought about the cold. In the cold I'd say its worse but doable to handle the stalls and buckets.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anyway, that's not really the issue. The real issue here is that after three weeks, the person I hired to do very specific chores for a very specific price, suddenly decided to up the ante and demand more money. I don't know how the rest of you were raised, but when I make a deal, I stick to it. I expect the same of the people for whom I work, and who work for me. If they can't deal with that, it's time to say goodbye, which I did this morning. I fail to understand why I'm a cheapskate or a wretch because I expect someone to honor an agreement they made.
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You are not a cheapskate because of the agreement. You're being perceived as a cheaper person due to the amount you stated you're paying. The holding the line on the agreement part is different.
As far as that goes yes on the surface I agree with that commitment to the deal. HOWEVER, there does come a time or occasion where the hired person voicing up and asking for more $$ with specific reasons, may make a good case. (I am not applying that here 100%) Even after short term it can happen and the re-negotiation can lead to a much better and longer working relationship.
I mean say you make a deal with groom "X" and it starts off as one amount of work and then expands, due to supply and demand, to a different job. Not largely, say 2 new horses. Do you renegotiate at every new head? Does a friends' horse coming in for a week of showing cause you to increase your pay? And if not, how come you don't give groom "X" a bit more money since clearly His duties have changed? Now extend that a bit...
Groom "X" desires to work more hours and you want more horses for more income. What kind of contract do you have in writing at that point? None? (Like most other horse jobs)
If so, then the terms are eligible to be negotiated, because they're not solid in a tangible, evidentiary way. Its not a guarantee that either party will get what they want during said negotiation, nor is it always a great idea, but lacking solid evidence, why not try to stretch the rubber boundaries of the pay or hours or work load?
Perfect example, a few years back my job expanded considerably. But in doing so, my employer didn't automaticaly up the ante. I loved the job, was not going anywhere, and feared being let go if I did mention the higher costs I was taking on to keep up with my new duties.
Finally I got the courage to speak to my employer and lay it on the line. Never was there a negotiation when my job changed at any point. Never did we say "Ok stop, you changed what I do and never asked. And I in turn never said 'Hey I need more $$'"
Jobs shift constantly. It is the responsibility of the payee to approach the payor when the needs and demands either shift or something causes the equation to fail to work as well.
Its still my opinion to be proud of this guy for coming to you and asking for the increase. Its also my position that someone who has convictions like yours will hold to your routine. I.e pay what you said and not budge. Thats not an insult. Its a fact.
For holding the line, I say good for you. For paying what you pay, I just know that I wouldn't have worked for that, especially with a new baby on the way. I know my grooms wouldn't work for that, but I know a bunch of people, not mexicans, who would. You'll find able bodies, but it'll come down to how much will you get in return and how many will you go through.
~Emily
Xctrygirl and racetb, I think I have the answer.
You see, both of you live where it gets cold. Living in the cold country and working with horses pretty much sucks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
So close, but no. That cottage example was based in Southern Pines, NC. Which is also warm in the winter. And on top of that since we have warmed up to 70 degrees this week here I hadn't even thought about the cold. In the cold I'd say its worse but doable to handle the stalls and buckets.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anyway, that's not really the issue. The real issue here is that after three weeks, the person I hired to do very specific chores for a very specific price, suddenly decided to up the ante and demand more money. I don't know how the rest of you were raised, but when I make a deal, I stick to it. I expect the same of the people for whom I work, and who work for me. If they can't deal with that, it's time to say goodbye, which I did this morning. I fail to understand why I'm a cheapskate or a wretch because I expect someone to honor an agreement they made.
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You are not a cheapskate because of the agreement. You're being perceived as a cheaper person due to the amount you stated you're paying. The holding the line on the agreement part is different.
As far as that goes yes on the surface I agree with that commitment to the deal. HOWEVER, there does come a time or occasion where the hired person voicing up and asking for more $$ with specific reasons, may make a good case. (I am not applying that here 100%) Even after short term it can happen and the re-negotiation can lead to a much better and longer working relationship.
I mean say you make a deal with groom "X" and it starts off as one amount of work and then expands, due to supply and demand, to a different job. Not largely, say 2 new horses. Do you renegotiate at every new head? Does a friends' horse coming in for a week of showing cause you to increase your pay? And if not, how come you don't give groom "X" a bit more money since clearly His duties have changed? Now extend that a bit...
Groom "X" desires to work more hours and you want more horses for more income. What kind of contract do you have in writing at that point? None? (Like most other horse jobs)
If so, then the terms are eligible to be negotiated, because they're not solid in a tangible, evidentiary way. Its not a guarantee that either party will get what they want during said negotiation, nor is it always a great idea, but lacking solid evidence, why not try to stretch the rubber boundaries of the pay or hours or work load?
Perfect example, a few years back my job expanded considerably. But in doing so, my employer didn't automaticaly up the ante. I loved the job, was not going anywhere, and feared being let go if I did mention the higher costs I was taking on to keep up with my new duties.
Finally I got the courage to speak to my employer and lay it on the line. Never was there a negotiation when my job changed at any point. Never did we say "Ok stop, you changed what I do and never asked. And I in turn never said 'Hey I need more $$'"
Jobs shift constantly. It is the responsibility of the payee to approach the payor when the needs and demands either shift or something causes the equation to fail to work as well.
Its still my opinion to be proud of this guy for coming to you and asking for the increase. Its also my position that someone who has convictions like yours will hold to your routine. I.e pay what you said and not budge. Thats not an insult. Its a fact.
For holding the line, I say good for you. For paying what you pay, I just know that I wouldn't have worked for that, especially with a new baby on the way. I know my grooms wouldn't work for that, but I know a bunch of people, not mexicans, who would. You'll find able bodies, but it'll come down to how much will you get in return and how many will you go through.
~Emily
This thread has made me realize why my DH's response to the possibility of moving to Texas was NO WAY IN HELL.
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The non-Latinos are NOT the only racists here, my friend. Not that I am one, nor have I ever been. </span>
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