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Bill to ban slaughter passes in Illinois, signed by Gov. 5/24 - update p. 27

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  • Taxes

    I don't pay taxes in other countries so why would I give a rat's you know the rest. I do pay taxes in this country and am quite pissed off that it was spent to inspect horse meat for the french to feast on. The USDA and FDA has made public statements that they do NOT have the manpower to inspect the meat and food that WE (AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY) eat! Why in the hell are our USDA inspectors in a foreign owned slaughter house inspecting meat that AMERICANS don't eat?

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    • Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
      Have you seen the numbers posted on the other thread? The export numbers while the plants were down? How can you sit there and say it's better than the status quo?! Mexico is not up to par on regulations regarding the treatment of animals - they don't even treat their people well! How can you gloat and rejoice, knowing that the animals you claim to love and care for are now on the way to a longer trip and an end with little to no regulations? How can you sleep at night? They were not killed in the US - big deal!
      do you feel the same way about the 97,000 hogs and 35,000 sheep that were sent from the US to slaughter in Mexico last year? If so, what are you (and/or the ag industry) doing about that?

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      • Why are U.S. com,panies doing business in foreign countries? It works both ways odds are real good theres people in those countries that don't give a rats a$$ about our business being there. World works both ways and I'll bet the people in the U.S. would scream the loudest if all countries had to stop the import/export business world wide.

        Theres alot bigger world out there then your back door.
        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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        • A big part of other species of livestock going to Mex. has to do with the NAFTA agrrement I beleive.
          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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          • Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
            NIMBYs don't care, as long as they can't see it.

            I don't see the laws banning export being passed:

            The United States has a huge trade deficit, from all the good stuff we want cheap. There is not nearly enough demand for American goods in the world.

            For those who have flunked economics, more good coming in than going out means more money going out and not coming in like your own check book - that's bad! It brings along all the fun stuff like inflation and recession...horse in a small box, frozen brings more money than same horse on trailer to a cheap sale or plant....but every little thing counts.

            As to closing the border - You do read the news?! We are talking about a border that is unable to keep semi loads of drugs out or similar if not bigger shipments of drug money in. What makes you think they get all huffy over a few trucks with cheap horse?!
            oh my god... thank you so much for the 101 in Economics...

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            • Originally posted by county View Post
              A big part of other species of livestock going to Mex. has to do with the NAFTA agrrement I beleive.
              but if it's horrible for horses (not saying it isn't), then it must be horrible for hogs and sheep, too. So why doesn't the ag industry have the same concern that is being shown about the horses?

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              • Like I said I don't give a rat's ... about other countries. Can't you come up with something better than that?

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                • Originally posted by tbtrailrider View Post
                  Well, you need to watch the video, but basically the horse is stabbed in the neck, severing the spinal cord, rendering it unable to move, yet fully conscious of its surroundings.
                  I am already uniformed and hysterical... I have yet to watch a video...

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                  • Can one of you experts...

                    please tell me why horses are not raised specifically for slaughter?

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                    • New People, listen up....PLEASE quote a portion of the text you are replying to, as it gets difficult figuring out who your response is directed to.
                      Thank you !

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                      • No Eddie I guess I can't how heart warming you only care about yourself in the world. And I thought that people saying members of the U.S. being self centered was rubbish.
                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                        • Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                          And no
                          Horse meat is not a delicacy. It is and has been regarded as cheap meat, poor peoples food. They sell it at separate shops so you know you are getting horse, and don't pay extra for it as 'beef'
                          I just saw a picture of it selling for (if my calculations are correct) about $8.00 a pound....I wouldn't really call that "cheap meat", I don't think....

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                          • kcgold, you lost me what does the ag industry have to do with it???? As far as other species NAFTA is federal law if livestock has to be sold to Mex. under it then that has to change to stop it. I'd love to see all livestock slaughtered under U.S. laws there IMO the best in the world despite not being perfect.
                            Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                            • Taxes

                              Originally posted by county View Post
                              No Eddie I guess I can't how heart warming you only care about yourself in the world. And I thought that people saying members of the U.S. being self centered was rubbish.
                              When it comes to taxes yes that is exactly how I feel. I am not going to sit here and laugh while I pay taxes to support the French eating habits!!!

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                              • Originally posted by xegeba View Post
                                please tell me why horses are not raised specifically for slaughter?
                                They are in certain countries. They are breeds that are heavier, more meat.
                                Horses take too long to get big enough to slaughter profitably, unless you are talking about Japan, where they like to eat baby horses.

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                                • Guess what Eddie? A whole lot of people in the world feel the same way about you and the things there paying for that you get.
                                  Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                  • HUH?

                                    Originally posted by county View Post
                                    Guess what Eddie? A whole lot of people in the world feel the same way about you and the things there paying for that you get.
                                    What is it that I get that someone in the world pays for? Have you ever heard of US tax???

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                                    • What do you get? Anything you buy thats imported just like the world gets anything exported.
                                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                      • Originally posted by tbtrailrider View Post
                                        They are in certain countries. They are breeds that are heavier, more meat.
                                        Horses take too long to get big enough to slaughter profitably, unless you are talking about Japan, where they like to eat baby horses.
                                        What countries raise horse for slaughter? How come the US does not? county... tear yourself away from Eddie( love Eddie BTW) and try to answer my question.

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                                        • Originally posted by county View Post
                                          What do you get? Anything you buy thats imported just like the world gets anything exported.
                                          yabbut... does the US make any money on the dead horses? The slaughterhouses apparently DO NOT... based on their taxable income. so who is making what ?

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