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Bill to ban slaughter passes in Illinois, signed by Gov. 5/24 - update p. 27

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  • Better late than never

    Originally posted by Paragon View Post
    Oh, and for the record, Eddie, I did Google it. I discovered that you were quoting verbatim another website, but you didn't care to cite your source. That website doesn't cite their source, either. So what we have is you apparently pretending that the statements were your own, in absence of proper attribution... and the website doesn't seem to do much better.

    In absence of any credible attribution, I have an awfully hard time taking the earlier statements seriously.
    (Source: Dr. Lester Friedlander, DVM and former Chief USDA Inspector.)
    Since you were able to find the website I did then you will be able to find Dr. Friedlander's email address send him an email and ask him. He will respond asap he is a very busy man but he has responded via email and a phone call to me before.

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    • The slaughter plant stunk and had blood. Gee ya think/ Just what do you suppose the slaughter plants of any species are like. There not smelling like roses and beleive it or not those animals bleed just like a horses does.

      BTW you anti slaughter people really need to get together. Some of you claim most the horses slaughtered are cripples some that there young and healthy at least get together and pick one.

      Oh according to USDA figures about 92% fall into the young, fat, healthy catagory. Thats actually higher then the cattle in the U.S. that are slaughtered.
      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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      • BTW you anti slaughter people really need to get together. Some of you claim most the horses slaughtered are cripples some that there young and healthy at least get together and pick one.
        No need to pick one. All categories are represented. Young, old, fat, skinny, pregnant, crippled, blind, etc, etc.
        *** 4 More Years ***
        *** 4 More Years ***

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        • Same as all livestock we kill and eat but the vast majority are young fat ones. Thats the ones that taste the best and have the most meat.
          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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          • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
            Abuse can be found every place, even in the best barns sometimes.
            That such was documented and fined ought to tell you that it is not the way things are and was taken care of so it doesn't happen again.

            We don't ban cars because of drunk drivers, but punish them when caught.
            what it DOES tell me is that horses don't move along calm and happy, as you claim.

            As for Blueshadow "blaming" slaughter for the loss of her horse....she isn't. But the fact is, if slaughter were illegal, the chances that her mare would still be alive today would be greatly increased. And probably that buyer wouldn't have purchased her in the first place.

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            • Originally posted by Blueshadow View Post
              Please Bluey, don't even tempt me on this. I happen to be an example of someone that was defrauded of a horse, (yes, that's what it's called when you lie to someone to induce them to enter a contract that they would not otherwise - you and others may find that to be established and common practice, however, it's ILLEGAL and for good reasons) in a region beset by incentives for people to do just that, through the presence of numerous mechanisms designed for people to be able to send horses to slaughter for a small but positive profit. That was my point. You know very well I don't "blame slaughter" for what happened to my horse, or to myself.

              And, by the way, I am also an example of an individual who chose to provide a home for an otherwise unwanted horse - two of them actually. We exist, lots of us. Adoptions exist. People who actually love and enjoy taking care of the old and the infirm and the injured until the day they die. These horses are not all unwanted, and that should be clear from the many posts on the many other threads on this BB.
              I feel sorry that you "were defrauded" as you say.
              If so, why not follow the legal process for that? As with abuse, there are laws and regress for wrongs when they are broken.
              If your contract when sold was legally binding to others to do xyz with the horse they just bought and they broke it, sue them.
              You may think they defrauded you, you may think that without slaughter that may not happen.
              As long as it is your word against theirs, I don't think you can make a case, here or in court.

              When someone sells/buys a horse, know your mind and have a contract that spells what exactly we are selling/buying, then all are on the same page and there is recourse if someone breaks the contract.
              I have seen were that has already been discussed, so let it be a lesson learned.

              As for keeping old/"unwanted" (I assume you meant unusable for some reason) horses around, I don't know where that comes in the discussion.
              All I know that can do so, we have all our lives, we are doing so right now, have several of them.
              Does that earn me a little badge, bragging rights, belong to a special club and a place on the pedestal?

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              • Curious DDB

                Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                She told me she wracked up some huge vet bills caring for an injury on this mare and it was clear that the mare would not be even breeding sound again...so she had to put her down anyway. She thought perhaps selling her for meat would help her recoup expenses and be a humane way to end her life. She said she was very mistaken about the humane part of the slaughterhouse end and was ashamed of having taken her there just to get a little money out of her.

                This lady is a rancher, breeder and runs a large dude string in East Texas and well known in our registry. She is in business and it was a business decision that led her to do that versus just put the mare down...but her conscience after her visit would not let her ever do it again.

                She also commented on the STENCH of the place...and that is one reason why the town of Kaufman was trying to close down that slaughter house there for a long time.
                What horse slaughterhouse did she go to? And if she wanted the horse gone, most large animal vet schools will take a horse for training students. Michigan state has a vet program and I have a few friends that have donated their horses. One was a trainer of mine. Her horse had serious lameness issues and all the money she had spent had not resolved them. She donated him. They keep them in the reseaarch heard for as long as needed. some for years, some are used for blood donors, some are euthanized after being put under for exploratory surgery for vet students to learn. To me this is the BEST most useful way to end a horses life.
                But I digress, HAve you ever been to a regular slaughter house, THEY STINK no getting around it, Blood feces etc. No matter how much they clean, ITs a rotten business. So no its not a Pretty experience, death never is.

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                • NOT true

                  Originally posted by Dalfan View Post
                  No need to pick one. All categories are represented. Young, old, fat, skinny, pregnant, crippled, blind, etc, etc.
                  Look at the pens at the slaughter houses. There fat and healthy looking. Why would it make sense to slaughter for food something that is a rack of bones and old and tuff! Oh why am I doing this again...

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                  • Originally posted by Sannois View Post
                    What horse slaughterhouse did she go to? And if she wanted the horse gone, most large animal vet schools will take a horse for training students. Michigan state has a vet program and I have a few friends that have donated their horses. One was a trainer of mine. Her horse had serious lameness issues and all the money she had spent had not resolved them. She donated him. They keep them in the reseaarch heard for as long as needed. some for years, some are used for blood donors, some are euthanized after being put under for exploratory surgery for vet students to learn. To me this is the BEST most useful way to end a horses life.
                    But I digress, HAve you ever been to a regular slaughter house, THEY STINK no getting around it, Blood feces etc. No matter how much they clean, ITs a rotten business. So no its not a Pretty experience, death never is.
                    Many in the horse industry think the slaughter industry is a necessary part of it, because the horse industry does has an excess of horses, can't get around that if we want to have horses as we do, because too many don't end up being what someone wants, even if there was not such an obvious excess of them for the homes out there.
                    For those interested, the AQHA has had a program to try to get a handle on those problems since 2005:

                    www.unwantedhorsescoalition.org

                    ...and yes, you can make donations to them, just as you can any other of all those many organizations, if you like what they are doing for these problems.

                    Lets remember not to confuse our sense of sadness to the end of any life with the reality of slaughter in itself as one more last use of a small percentage of our horses.
                    Last edited by Bluey; Jun. 3, 2007, 09:52 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                      We don't ban cars because of drunk drivers, but punish them when caught.
                      And we aren't trying to ban having horses, just the act of slaughtering them for human consumption, here, in a country where they are not considered to be food animals.

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                      • Not everyone thinks that, not everyone thinks the same way about pretty much everything. And thats good, honest.
                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                        • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                          Lets remember not to confuse our sense of sadness to the end of any life with the reality of slaughter in itself as one more last use of a small percentage of our horses.
                          'One more last use'...I had to think about that for a moment.

                          In a country where people can't stand to drive a car that's over 10 years old, can't be bothered to use the recycle bin, are horrified by the thought of wearing second hand clothes....

                          How conscientious we are to get the last $$ out of a cast-off service animal/pet.
                          DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                          • ROTFLMAO I don't know about where you live Lildunhorse but you haven't got a clue about here. My truck is an 87 the car a 95. We do recycle and people don't think a thing about where their clothes come from.
                            Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                            • Originally posted by county View Post
                              ROTFLMAO I don't know about where you live Lildunhorse but you haven't got a clue about here. My truck is an 87 the car a 95. We do recycle and people don't think a thing about where their clothes come from.
                              Yes, county..I knew what you were going to say before you even said it.

                              How many people who are holding the fate of horses in their hands right now are driving a car made in 1995?
                              DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                              • Ditto County

                                Originally posted by county View Post
                                ROTFLMAO I don't know about where you live Lildunhorse but you haven't got a clue about here. My truck is an 87 the car a 95. We do recycle and people don't think a thing about where their clothes come from.
                                All our vehicles are used My truck is 12 years old my car is also. My husbands is 5 years old, but he always buys them used. NEver ever bought a new one. And as for clothes, Gad I havent bought more than new socks or tennis shoes in several years. And my horse I have had for umm lets see 10 years. All my kritters stick around. Still has nothing to do with the slaughter argument.

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                                • Originally posted by Lildunhorse View Post
                                  'One more last use'...I had to think about that for a moment.

                                  In a country where people can't stand to drive a car that's over 10 years old, can't be bothered to use the recycle bin, are horrified by the thought of wearing second hand clothes....

                                  How conscientious we are to get the last $$ out of a cast-off service animal/pet.
                                  It is not about a last $, it is not about money at all, but about not using any more of our resources than we need to use, about not wasting wantomly.
                                  Sorry such thoughts are beyond your frame of reference.

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                                  • What a ridiculous

                                    Originally posted by Lildunhorse View Post
                                    Yes, county..I knew what you were going to say before you even said it.

                                    How many people who are holding the fate of horses in their hands right now are driving a car made in 1995?
                                    statement.. What the HELL does that have to do with anything??? Thats simply laughable.

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                                    • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                      It is not about a last $, it is not about money at all, but about not using any more of our resources than we need to use, about not wasting wantomly.
                                      Sorry such thoughts are beyond your frame of reference.
                                      I disagree. I think it is about money, for the most part. Do you think men like Charlie Carter do the business they do because they hate to waste all that protein?
                                      DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                                      • Oooo... a contest!

                                        Originally posted by Lildunhorse View Post
                                        How many people who are holding the fate of horses in their hands right now are driving a car made in 1995?
                                        Proudly driving a 1996 F-150 with about 230,000 miles, and it'll be mine until it somehow gets wrecked, catches fire, or is (haha!) stolen.

                                        I have my very first car still sitting in my garage right now: 1984 Toyota Celica which I've owned a good 17 yrs or so.

                                        What prize to I win for keeping cars forever?

                                        But the question is what does this have to do with horse slaughter?
                                        Veterinarians for Equine Welfare

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                                        • Thats what I want to know

                                          Originally posted by MayS View Post
                                          Oooo... a contest!



                                          Proudly driving a 1996 F-150 with about 230,000 miles, and it'll be mine until it somehow gets wrecked, catches fire, or is (haha!) stolen.

                                          I have my very first car still sitting in my garage right now: 1984 Toyota Celica which I've owned a good 17 yrs or so.

                                          What prize to I win for keeping cars forever?

                                          But the question is what does this have to do with horse slaughter?
                                          MayS

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