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Bill to ban slaughter passes in Illinois, signed by Gov. 5/24 - update p. 27

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  • Originally posted by county View Post
    Sorry but I can't support something I feel will make it worse. I wouldn't think you'd want anyone to either regarless which side of an issue they are on.
    Well, since you all always complain how much worse it will be for the horses to go to Mexico, then why would you NOT want to help change that, now that the slaughter houses in the US are closed.

    Ahhhh......that's right. It wasn't about the horses for you after all.

    Stick your head in the sand then, while the rest of us continue to work on the Federal Ban. Believe or not, WE aren't done yet.
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    • Spin it any way you want. And I'm sure your not done my question has been at what point is it worth it. I've heard slaughter will be outlawed since the mid 60's. I've heard the fed ban will be passed soon for years. It hasn't happened. Will it? Probably someday it will. But at what cost? In the meantime all the money and effort could have been used for the two sides to work together and actually gain something. 40 yerrs to waste is an awful long time.
      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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      • I've heard slaughter will be outlawed since the mid 60's.
        And how many slaughter plants were up and running at that time? Three are left and WILL be closed very soon. I would say a lot has been achieved. Too slowly for some, too fast for others.
        *** 4 More Years ***
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        • My point is in 40 years how much could have been gained by working together?
          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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          • Those of us

            Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
            Well, since you all always complain how much worse it will be for the horses to go to Mexico, then why would you NOT want to help change that, now that the slaughter houses in the US are closed.

            Ahhhh......that's right. It wasn't about the horses for you after all.

            Stick your head in the sand then, while the rest of us continue to work on the Federal Ban. Believe or not, WE aren't done yet.
            who are against the total ban have said all along what about the horses that will still go out of the country And you all said oh the borders will be closed and it will be illegal. Who's head is in the sand now?? Please.
            Why are you basing this on the possibility that the US bill will pass. You are all putting your eggs in one basket. There are no guarantees. Seems to be you have put the cart before the horse. Now you want us to help change the horses going to MExico because you got the one plant shut down? And we said all along What about the export. How long do you think it will be till that bill passes, if it passes. How many are OK to go to that hell hole of Mexico? And yet you still feel you have made a difference? Only prolonged the suffering as I see it.

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            • I got the plant shout down? LOL. Wouldn' that be nice. I could be president too then.

              If you want to blame the order in which the bills are being voted on, go ahead.

              Fact is: they passed. So either you want to stick to YOUR agenda or work for the horses' welfare going forward.

              But then again, that would require you to think outside the box. Not easy to do when you don't even want to attend an auction, all expenses paid, to see what happens at the beginning of the slaughter pipeline.
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              • Oh please

                Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                I got the plant shout down? LOL. Wouldn' that be nice. I could be president too then.

                If you want to blame the order in which the bills are being voted on, go ahead.

                Fact is: they passed. So either you want to stick to YOUR agenda or work for the horses' welfare going forward.

                But then again, that would require you to think outside the box. Not easy to do when you don't even want to attend an auction, all expenses paid, to see what happens at the beginning of the slaughter pipeline.
                You know "You" means anti slaughter group.
                OMG Lets do it all bass akwards. Why is it its OUR agenda and now its also our responsibility to fix it when we said for the last few years what about the horses that are shipped out of the country???????????????????

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                • What is worse???

                  Originally posted by county View Post
                  Sorry but I can't support something I feel will make it worse. I wouldn't think you'd want anyone to either regarless which side of an issue they are on.
                  Worse than this?
                  According to the US Department of Agriculture, over 100,000 horses were slaughtered in 2006. In addition to the horses killed in the three US-based plants, thousands more are transported under deplorable conditions across our borders into Canada and Mexico to be slaughtered.
                  Conditions of transport are appalling. Horses are typically hauled for more than 24 hours without rest, water or food in trailers that provide little protection from weather extremes. They are often forced onto cattle trailers with ceilings so low they injure their heads. Many horses—sick, lame, pregnant or blind—are in distress even before being loaded.

                  Once at the slaughterhouse, the suffering continues unabated. Horses are left for long periods in tightly packed trailers, subjected to further extremes of heat and cold. In hot weather, thirst is acute. Downed animals are unable to rise. All the horses are moved off forcibly when it’s time to unload. Callous workers, using fiberglass rods or electric prods, poke and beat the horses’ faces, necks, backs and legs as they are shoved through the facility and into the kill box.

                  Subject to extreme overcrowding, abuse, deafening sounds and the smell of blood, the horses become more and more desperate, exhibiting fear typical of “flight” behavior—pacing in prance-like movements with their ears pinned back against their heads and eyes wide open.

                  Despite the federal mandate that horses be rendered unconscious before having their throats slit, repeated blows with captive bolt pistols are often necessary to stun the animals. Terrified horses writhe in the holding stalls (known as the “kill box”), legs buckling under their weight after each traumatic, misguided and ineffective blow to their heads. Death, the final betrayal of these noble animals, is protracted and excruciating. Often BUTCHERED ALIVE!!!

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                  • If thats what you choose to beleive Eddie you certainly can. Personally I've never seen for myself anything close to that when I've been around slaughter horses. Exactly where did you get your info from? Was it someone from a anti slaughter group perhaps thats giving propoganda to ban slaughter? Personally I don't buy what the groups from either side say but you certainly can if you choose to. Myself I think I'm , well just a little more into reality.
                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                    • OH Boy

                      Originally posted by Eddie Monster View Post
                      Worse than this?
                      According to the US Department of Agriculture, over 100,000 horses were slaughtered in 2006. In addition to the horses killed in the three US-based plants, thousands more are transported under deplorable conditions across our borders into Canada and Mexico to be slaughtered.
                      Conditions of transport are appalling. Horses are typically hauled for more than 24 hours without rest, water or food in trailers that provide little protection from weather extremes. They are often forced onto cattle trailers with ceilings so low they injure their heads. Many horses—sick, lame, pregnant or blind—are in distress even before being loaded.

                      Once at the slaughterhouse, the suffering continues unabated. Horses are left for long periods in tightly packed trailers, subjected to further extremes of heat and cold. In hot weather, thirst is acute. Downed animals are unable to rise. All the horses are moved off forcibly when it’s time to unload. Callous workers, using fiberglass rods or electric prods, poke and beat the horses’ faces, necks, backs and legs as they are shoved through the facility and into the kill box.

                      Subject to extreme overcrowding, abuse, deafening sounds and the smell of blood, the horses become more and more desperate, exhibiting fear typical of “flight” behavior—pacing in prance-like movements with their ears pinned back against their heads and eyes wide open.

                      Despite the federal mandate that horses be rendered unconscious before having their throats slit, repeated blows with captive bolt pistols are often necessary to stun the animals. Terrified horses writhe in the holding stalls (known as the “kill box”), legs buckling under their weight after each traumatic, misguided and ineffective blow to their heads. Death, the final betrayal of these noble animals, is protracted and excruciating. Often BUTCHERED ALIVE!!!
                      Did you write that sensationalism or did one of your PETA Cronies do it for you??

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                      • Reality

                        Originally posted by county View Post
                        If thats what you choose to beleive Eddie you certainly can. Personally I've never seen for myself anything close to that when I've been around slaughter horses. Exactly where did you get your info from? Was it someone from a anti slaughter group perhaps thats giving propoganda to ban slaughter? Personally I don't buy what the groups from either side say but you certainly can if you choose to. Myself I think I'm , well just a little more into reality.
                        All of this is proven via FOIA, USDA, videos. I have all the proof you want why don't you prove it is not as the facts clearly show?

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                        • Originally posted by Sannois View Post
                          You know "You" means anti slaughter group.
                          OMG Lets do it all bass akwards. Why is it its OUR agenda and now its also our responsibility to fix it when we said for the last few years what about the horses that are shipped out of the country???????????????????
                          No one said it was YOUR responsibility. In the meantime us "Antis" are not stopping now.

                          With all the LOVE you always claim to have for horses and how awful it is for them to be shipped to Mexico, one would think, you would come off your high horse and at least support closing down the borders to export.

                          That's gonna happen when hell freezes over, I guess.
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                          • ROTFLMAO You have all the proof Eddie I just bet you do!!!!!! LOL
                            Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                            • Proof

                              Originally posted by county View Post
                              ROTFLMAO You have all the proof Eddie I just bet you do!!!!!! LOL
                              Yes I do!!! Now where is your proof?

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                              • Originally posted by Eddie Monster View Post
                                Yes I do!!! Now where is your proof?
                                Any and all proof that anti slaughter people provide is immediately dismissed as propaganda by the pros..it is useless ....futile...to be arguing with these people.

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                                • I do beleive thats a two way street.
                                  Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                  • Originally posted by tbtrailrider View Post
                                    Any and all proof that anti slaughter people provide is immediately dismissed as propaganda by the pros..it is useless ....futile...to be arguing with these people.
                                    Well, it helps one to appear more credible when one leaves out the sensational, extremist language. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together honestly believes that every single horse run through slaughter has been grossly abused on the trip, with their suffering continuing unabated, before they're terrorised and BUTCHERED ALIIIIVE. If that truly was the state of our slaughter industry at large, I would wonder why every last one of us had the balls to eat a single scrap of meat, and I would truly wonder why we're all such bleeding insensitive idiots that we only care about our poor little horsiekins.

                                    The reality is that it's not nearly so extreme as some would purport. That doesn't mean it's okay - not by a long shot. But it does mean that writing to such effect is indeed propaganda in nature, just as any writing about how all our slaughterhouses are happy and sunshine-filled wonderlands would be propaganda.

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                                    • Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                                      Last I checked that is exactly the way it was done here as well.
                                      In America, the animals are stunned or killed first. Anything less is barbaric, illegal, and unacceptable.

                                      There has been outcry in the past over kosher slaughter that attempted shackling and hoisting without stunning the animal first - stunning isn't allowed by kosher guidelines. They are no longer allowed to shackle and hoist while the animal is still conscious. They do, however, slit the throat while the animal is conscious. As cited in another thread, there have been scientific studies that have deemed this the most humane method of termination.

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                                      • Originally posted by Paragon View Post
                                        Well, it helps one to appear more credible when one leaves out the sensational, extremist language. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together honestly believes that every single horse run through slaughter has been grossly abused on the trip, with their suffering continuing unabated, before they're terrorised and BUTCHERED ALIIIIVE. If that truly was the state of our slaughter industry at large, I would wonder why every last one of us had the balls to eat a single scrap of meat, and I would truly wonder why we're all such bleeding insensitive idiots that we only care about our poor little horsiekins.

                                        The reality is that it's not nearly so extreme as some would purport. That doesn't mean it's okay - not by a long shot. But it does mean that writing to such effect is indeed propaganda in nature, just as any writing about how all our slaughterhouses are happy and sunshine-filled wonderlands would be propaganda.
                                        Very good post, but it seems as if it doesn't matter how it is worded, some people on this BB consider it propaganda or a lie.

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                                        • Originally posted by tbtrailrider View Post
                                          Very good post, but it seems as if it doesn't matter how it is worded, some people on this BB consider it propaganda or a lie.
                                          That, I can agree with. There will be contrary folks everywhere, on every issue. Can't hide from them.

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