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What do you need to drive to AK with animals?

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  • What do you need to drive to AK with animals?

    This is more a hypothetical at this point. I was talking to someone who mentioned a possible job opening in Alaska. DH is gungho and ready to ship me off to Alaska to get settled and find a place.

    I am more cautious. I want to do my research first before even considering it. One concern is my animals. I figure the easier and least costly would be drive the dogs and horses. I was pretty certain I had read you need certain documents but that it could be done. Someone on a different board doesn't think you can drive through Canada that easily.

    I was betting there would be at least one person on this board that would know how to do it and what's needed.

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    Well, I think you'd need the standard documents: health certificate and a coggins, as that is what is needed to go to show in Canada. Not sure about dogs--vaccination records?

    You'd have to talk with Alaska gov't about bringing animals in, but I don't think they have any quarantine issues like Hawaii does.

    And, yes, it is pretty easy to drive to Alaska. Well, except for Juneau, since you can't actually drive to it--only fly or ferry/boat.

    Definitely do your research on horsekeeping in the far north. It is not cheap. You might want to PM Pirateer, she is the COTH Alaska Chapter President
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      What do you need to drive to AK ?! SUMMER weather. I would seriously not attempt a drive in the winter. I was at Yellowstone in June and they had to close one of the roads because it was snowing. Yikes! I hope some Canadians can comment on driving with a rig in Canada in the winter.

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        Thanks. I would not drive in the winter or even close to it. You can find most any information you want online but I'm not finding a lot on this particular issue. I did find a website but it wasn't real clear. It did say they (Canada) can refuse entry on animals. Horses need a certain form plus coggins and health cert. Dogs and cats need rabies vacs plus health cert.

        I've been looking on Craigslist at listings for homes and hay. Hay is a good bit more than here!

        The job is in Anchorage. I've been reading up on it. It sounds like a nice area to live and the winters aren't too extreme compared to the rest of the state. Compared to Texas, it will probably be extreme!

        It's not even close to a done deal. I haven't even talked to the person who has the job. I figured we better find out if we would want to live there before wasting anyone's time.

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        • #5
          Invest in a mile-by-mile guide to the Alaska Highway (AlCan). The road can be not so good and for literally days there is nothing but the road you're on and the trees next to it.

          Where will you overnight with the horses?

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          • #6
            Everyone I know flies horses in and out of Alaska to be perfectly honest. You can sometimes network with the horse community to see who else is flying horses in, and then you can set up the dates so you share a pallet/get cheaper freight for everyone involved.

            If you're going to trailer, be very, very careful about the timing. There can still be snow dumped in May; I saw snow in Yellowstone in June when I went through.

            Know your truck's gas mileage exactly, and know exactly how long you have to go to the next gas station (the Milepost can help with that). There are some long stretches of remote road, and cell phone coverage isn't 100%. If you run out of gas or break down, you're going to be waiting for someone else to come along. If you push either edge of tourist season, you WILL find some gas stations are closed. It's not a road to push the envelope on the gas tank.

            When I drove in 2004, not all the road was paved. I don't know if they were just doing construction on the unpaved parts of if that's just how they were, but keep it in mind.

            And make sure you're comfortable (and your truck can handle) driving in the mountains, because you'll be doing lots of it.
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              Blazn, I have found in my internet search about the Milepost and if it comes to us moving, will have it.

              I have not looked at where to stop with horses yet. One thing at a time.

              Happy, I have not looked at flying the horses in. Sounds expensive! I did look at the ferry thing but you can't take the horses off the trailer and it's a 7 day ferry ride! Plus it's over $5000 for me, the truck and trailer with horses. I have driven in the mountains but it's been a while and I wasn't pulling anything.

              I'm reading a blog now on someone that moved to AK this summer from NY. They were pulling a bumper pull travel trailer. She commented on the road conditions and the sharp curves and steep roads. At least it gives some idea of what to expect if I do it.

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                I don't know what it costs to fly up, but I'm sure you're right that it isn't cheap. It is quicker, easier on the horses, and safer than hauling, though, which is why the people I know go that route.

                When you cost things out, make sure you get the current cost of fuel in Canada (much more expensive than the US) and factor in the hotels/overnight/etc.

                When I moved out of Alaska, it was cheaper for me to ship the car and buy a plane ticket than drive down. I know someone who hauled a fifth-wheel trailer from Alaska to Texas and I think he said it cost him $15K -- and they were sleeping in the trailer/no hotels. The gas killed him.

                It's not that hauling is impossible, if you choose to do that. People make the trek in RVs all summer long. It's just a different road than most people are used to -- different than going coast to coast in the US even.
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                  Happy, I'll look into flying them. It might be worth it just so the horses are less stressed, particularly my arabain. If that is what we do, we'll probably sell our vehicles and buy something when we get there. We had already discussed selling what we can replace when we get there. The rest we can ship.

                  I'm off to check that out.

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                  • #10
                    Flying is a much better idea. I talked to the guys at work (many are stationed in Alaska from time to time) and they have done the Alcan highway many times-parts are apparently still not paved, it is only accessible in the height of summer (mid-august is considered fall!) and would be a bad idea unless you travel in a convoy or have good communications available-and the communications can be problematic at best depending on the terrain. I wouldn't risk it. Plus if you have a breakdown where will you get parts and service? Some areas are still very remote and it's not like AAA or others could get there quickly.
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                    • #11
                      I used to live in AK and my barn had horses flown in and out of the state fairly frequently. When I moved to the lower 48 for college, I had one of my horses flown down. It was roughly $5k, but I was sharing the pallet with someone else.

                      Word of warning though - there is only one company that flies horses in and out of AK, and well...make sure you get a receipt and keep it on file for the next couple of years.
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                        $5000 per horse? Ouch! I might have to look at a hauler.

                        Jan, I had read about the road being rough in places. I found a blog of someone that moved to Ak from NY this past summer and they drove. It did make me realize that if I do drive it, I can't drive it alone for many of the reasons stated.

                        I might have to look into hauling. I really don't want to sell. I could find a home for the pony, probably, but my mare is 20. It's harder finding homes for the older horses.

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                        • #13
                          We sold a horse to AK a couple of years ago. He travelled well and arrived in very good condition.

                          We also know a family who moved 5 horses from AK to ID in their own trailer. It was an adventure, but everyone made it.

                          The horse will need an international health cert to enter Canada, same as when going to a show.

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                          • #14
                            If only a couple horses and your trailer can be used as a stock trailer...

                            You might look into catching the ships that go from Washington State to AK. They haul cars all the time. IF your trailer can be used as boxes, since the horses would be on the trailer 2-3 days probably. I have hauled horses from Newf Island back to the US, and had to be on the ferry for 12 hours or so..IIRC...
                            This might be easier, no international paperwork, US soil to US soil....
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                              Originally posted by dacasodivine View Post
                              The job is in Anchorage. I've been reading up on it. It sounds like a nice area to live and the winters aren't too extreme compared to the rest of the state. Compared to Texas, it will probably be extreme!
                              Think again...if you can deal with extreme cold, wind, damp, dark days with little light 8 months of the year, then definately go for it. Skeeters the size of sea gulls in the summer. Horse keeping is difficult and expensive and there are no good trainers.

                              I had a friend live there for two years. She's from SoCal. She couldn't wait to get out. Most miserable time she ever had in her entire life.

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                                GrandPrix, I did look at the ferrys. It was $5000 plus and 7 days. If you use a ship, are you allowed to go with them to take care of them?

                                Go Fish, it is something we are discussing and one of the main reasons I didn't want to do it when DH originally talked about going years ago. That plus earthquakes and an active volcano. But I think if the job was offered, I would take it. We can always move if we decide we don't like it.

                                Thanks to all for your input and information.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Go Fish View Post
                                  Think again...if you can deal with extreme cold, wind, damp, dark days with little light 8 months of the year, then definately go for it. Skeeters the size of sea gulls in the summer. Horse keeping is difficult and expensive and there are no good trainers.

                                  I had a friend live there for two years. She's from SoCal. She couldn't wait to get out. Most miserable time she ever had in her entire life.
                                  OTOH, my brother grew up in San Diego and he's now quite happy in Anchorage. It's actually fairly temperate (for Alaska), and there are lighted trails all over the city, used for hiking in the summer and cross-country skiing in the winter. I don't know if they allow horses on the trails, though. My brother used to ski to work, before he had kids.

                                  Everything *is* very expensive there, though. My brother says expect a minimum 50% markup on anything brought from elsewhere. People who can afford it treat Seattle as the "downtown/mall shopping district" to the point that Ikea in Seattle has an employee whose job is arranging shipments to Alaska.
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                                  • #18
                                    I would maybe consider leaving the horse in the L48 un til you spend some time up here. Boarding barn options are few. Extremely expensive for what you are getting. PT if you want more info.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by dacasodivine View Post
                                      I might have to look into hauling. I really don't want to sell. I could find a home for the pony, probably, but my mare is 20. It's harder finding homes for the older horses.
                                      I know it's extremely hard to find homes for ANY horses these days, let alone an older horse. Having said that, I would be concerned about the effects of such a drastic climate change on an older horse. You said you'd be moving from Texas? I'm a big worrier...so maybe it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

                                      Best of luck to you in your decision. You're in an enviable position to many, having a job opportunity at all!!!

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