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I hereby propose that any further references to The Married Couple Who Are Objects Of the Subject in the Original Post henceforth be referred to in all future COTH posts as Mr and Mrs Handlebar, The Handlebarred One, and/or The Faux Accented Ponytailed Extensioned Handlebar.Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
Sam: A job? Does it pay?
Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.
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You know, I'm always kind of torn about all these NH/RFD-TV types and their marketing schemes, all of which seem to emphasize developing a "relationship" with your horse.Originally posted by jeano View Postwell, you'd think, but I believe that this idea that its all about the special my little pony relationship you develop with pookums trumps actually RIDING a lot of different horses and learning from them.
On the one hand, where I live most people don't take riding lessons. They're generally either self-taught, or learn from friends with horses. If there's a problem, it's generally perceived to be a problem with the horse, who is sent off for 30 days or so to a "trainer." Many of whom employ methods that belong in the Dark Ages.
If the rider still has problems, then they run that horse through the sale and start over with another. 
So the current fashion, promoted very astutely by the NH mass-marketers, for developing a "relationship" with the horse has probably improved the lives of at least some horses in my part of the world.
But I still wonder how much of a "relationship" horses really like having with humans?
Me, I have a business to run and limited horse time - so I mostly spend what horse time I have riding. I mean, I give my horse a good grooming first, which he (mostly) enjoys, and I always bring an apple for afterward, cause I believe in tipping for good service.
I try my best to be a considerate rider.
Seems to me my lease horse is fairly happy to go to work and happy to get off work and go hang out with his friends. Same as I feel about my job. If my clients wanted to have more of a "relationship" with me - well, I wouldn't like it. When I'm working for them, they have my full attention - but when their hour's up, or the gavel bangs down, I want them to leave me the heck alone till the next day. I sort of think my horse feels the same way, and I try to respect that.
I'm reminded of how my grandmother, a product of the century-before-last, used to claim that "children were happier back when they didn't get so much raisin'."
I wonder if horses aren't happier not having quite so much of a "relationship" with humans?
I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show
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Paint misbehaving:
So how did you cross over to the dark side of the carrot stick?
I think you are right on about yo granny and her comment about being raised up back when.
Kids today are over scheduled. Whew, some of my neices, and nephews are so busy, I am amazed they have time for anything. Well they don't. No tv are they allowed. But alas, it has been proven in my family, when said child is raised and on their own, they never "do" the activities they were forced, told, whatever verb you wanna use. Both my sisters are pushing their kids hard. Too hard. Older sister pushed sports, and both of the older neices will barely go on a hike!
Dogs thrive on close relationships with humans. They are the only species that will willingly gaze into their owners eye. Horses, nope. A horse more than likely wouldn't be upset like a dog to be left alone with no handling or human touch for years! If they have food and water, I believe they would be happy. Look at mustangs, they have done fine in their brains with nobody chasing their butts with a carrot stick.
As with the ye ole mushstached one when I went to a meeting, I didn't see happy horses. I saw one guy on his so sad looking (attitude) QH making that horse step up on the barrel about 20 times. Ok, you did it do it again. and again, and over and over. If the horse refused, then more work. So sad to watch. Some breeds do better at tv training, and some do not. Meaning some are more tolerent than others. Not going into that but I feel sorry for all of them.
Ya know, I never realized, or really took the time to analyze the ye ole handledbarred one that he actually HAD a handlebar 'stash slapped upside his lip. Wonder if he has hair under his hat? Hey, he has competition from the dude on RFD with the silly outside cooking show where he cooks with the black iron skillets on a fire. ooooweee. That guy has some strong wax or something on his 'stash to make it stick out further than his ears. Dang, you could put an eye out with that one. I wonder if he has flies land on it? I wonder what happens when he takes a shower, does it droop? Or is the wax or maybe he has it verathaned so it never goes limp after a shower or too much steam from his taters cooking. The food he cooks, and his side kick chick, that is nasty. I cook everything just about from scratch, and those things they put together, yuck. Last time I watched she was cooking an apple betty, and she was using canned biscuits. NASTY. Maybe if you had been out on the trail for days or lost in the woods with no food, and you had a full container of Gavescom or a full bottle of pink Pepto you were wanting to use and to quit carrying in your back pack, maybe that food would be ok. What is up with the gray horse on the high tie. Dang, give that horse some food. Horrible neck set too. Aren't there any handsome fancy QH's who could lend their classic looks to help their show look more authentic?
Ok, on a bit of a spree here. I wanted to RIDE today, but there are horrible winds. It isn't the WIND, or the cold, it is if I haul out, it will blow my trailer, and if that doesn't happen, with all the rain last night, I fear a tree may blow over on us. So home we stay today, and here are my fast typing opinionated fingers going at it.
Since I am on a roll, Jeano, are you a stand up comic who has 2 shows a night in Vegas? You are SO funny. I really have to giggle. Where do you come up with such funny tales? Well ok, the neighbor, but still, the way you put it is priceless. I am in my late 40's, so will I be that funny and comical about life when I get into my mid 50's?? Is there a download from God or something that will make me as funny, and very entertaining as you? People are so funny in general. Woo, hope Neighbor doesn't read COTH. Oh Jeano, you can not BE in Vegas, because the weather there is always perfect. I doubt any handlebar pixie's live there, or, they may actually have to ride in that nice weather. Me? I am in da south. N AL. We had wind and rain last night. And then more wind today. Glad we didn't waste any time on raking leaves. They will be across the county come morning! No freezing temps, no blowing snow. Sorry ya'll. I would be so worried about my horses. Keep warm. It will be gone soon. Warm thoughts going ya'll's way.
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nope, not in Vegas, also in the Deep South (middle GA) so we are practically neighbors. I too, want to hear how P'aint left the dark side.
As regards being funny--compared to most of my family, I am only mildly humorous. They are some scary folks.
I went out to ride in the wind yesterday and will again today. Today I will ride the horse that likes to spook at shadows, so pray for me. Yesterday the horse that doesnt spook paid absolutely no attention to the wind and trees falling down and such, bless him. He's the one that tolerated the bulldog leaping up in his face and giving him big wet kisses.
I dont own a TV, so I am forced to poke fun at others for entertainment.
Another Handlebar related story--lately we have been all about making the horse climb up on tires. I'm not sure what this accomplishes, but the dang tires full of dirt are everywhere. Neighbor had worked long and hard getting horse to put front feet on the dirt-pakced tire, it was a big deal. This became a necessary preliminary to every ride.
Now, I realize, the whole point of all these pre-ride shenanigans--spend about two hours playing games, climbing up on tires, walking on tarps (how many damn tarps do YOU see blocking your path on the average trail ride? Freaking dry-wall compound buckets, now them, yeah, I see them every couple hundred yards when I ride. They make great mounting blocks if the bottoms arent busted out. But tarps, rarely.)-- the point is that if you religiously do all this $hit you will be either too tired to ride or the horse's brain will have completely shut down, rendering him safe as all get out.
Back to the tires (rmh_rider, this is what you get for encouraging me) I am not so patiently waiting for neighbor to get done playing with the tire and ditch the exactly 22.5 foot Happy Rope or whatever it is and mount already, when I decide to ask my gelding to put his little hoofies up on the pedestal. He doesnt think its a real swell idea until he notices that neighbor's horse got a peppermint for climbing up there. So he follows suit, and since I am a moron where giving horses treats is concerned I give him a piece of candy and tell him he's a good boy.
Now HE is all about the tires. Makes a bee-line for them. In fact yesterday when I rode I came to a spot where we sneak into a hunt club's land to ride (we have permission, but I like to sneak.) There's sort of a lame fence and lots of sticker bushes and such but there's plenty of ways in--this one involves a big pile of sand that horses either have to march up or hop over. So gelding yesterday heaves his front end up, plants his front feet at the top of the pile, leaves his back end in the road, and looks over his shoulder for his mint while I'm clinging to his mane and cussing Handlebar for all I'm worth. How I teach my horse to do this crap without 600 dollars worth of rope halters and sticks is beyond me.
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ROFLMAO!Originally posted by jeano View Post. . . . So gelding yesterday heaves his front end up, plants his front feet at the top of the pile, leaves his back end in the road, and looks over his shoulder for his mint while I'm clinging to his mane and cussing Handlebar for all I'm worth. How I teach my horse to do this crap without 600 dollars worth of rope halters and sticks is beyond me.
No Jeano, he's trained you to give him his mint.Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
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Yes, he has. Ours is a relationship built on bribes, threats, and peppermints. He was headshy as all get out when I got him. First time I went to worm him he said nothing doing. I got a peppermint flavored antacid from my husband and told Mr Jeano to hold the minty treat where the horse could smell it. Mr Jean stuck the antacid in the gelding's nostril and said, "its a quid pro quo, buddy, take the wormer and you get the mint." Horse evidently understands Latin.
My version of the carrot stick would be a giant candy cane. By the time horse has earned enough licks or nibbles off the candy cane so that its all gone, he's trained enough to qualify as dog broke.
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I think you're absolutely right. Neighbor needs to find herself a good instructor with patient schoolhorses and build up her confidence. I feel for her - I used to be that lady totally out of her depth and alone with a mischeivous horse in her backyard. I'd still be her if I hadn't found my wonderful instructor.
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