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Are carriage horses for hire banned in London and Paris?

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  • Are carriage horses for hire banned in London and Paris?

    Last night, I went to a meeting where the guy who made the anti-NYC carriage horse movie Blinkers met up with a woman who has a NYC carriage business. The film, which has several interviews with PETA members, including Ingrid Newkirk, states that carriage driving has been banned in several cities, among them London, Paris and Beijing. The woman from the carriage company claimed this was not true, and carriages are not banned in those cities. When I tried to google the info, all the references went back to PETA. So, for those of you who travel frequently or live in those cities, could you tell me if carriage driving is banned? I did find websites that appear to be driving businesses, and one in Paris seemed very similar to the NYC situation.

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    Even though I have never seen any horse drawn carriages in Paris, I found this site

    http://www.pariscaleches.com/french.html
    It seems that it started in 2006 after a 40 year absence. The rides start at the Eiffel Tower East Pillar. Rides can last from 15 min. to 2 hours (going all the way to Notre-Dame), 50 euros for 30 min., Wednesday to Sunday.
    There are 4 horses (2 Percherons from Canada, 1 black Shire from Great Britain, and one white Shire from Sweden). Interestingly enough, they state that the horses work only 2 days a week (even though they operate 5 days!) for an average of 3 hours.

    Well, something to go and check next year!!

    The only horses "I" have ever seen are police horses and Garde Républicaine horses!

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    • #3
      Anything PETA associates with, I assume is chockful of self-serving lies, since self-serving lies are their trade.

      Horse drawn carriages are quite legal in London and popular for weddings. These horses look terribly abused, don't you think?
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        Well there are *stables* in London and even riding rings in Hyde Park. I lived there for four years and I never saw a carriage ride anywhere, though I don't doubt they are legal. Certainly nothing like NYC.
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          Helloagain - what a succinct and perfect way to sum up the folks at PETA


          For anyone who is interested:

          PETA, anti-carriage organizations, and the person who made the film "Blinders" all state- unequivocally - that carriages have been BANNED from the streets of these cities.
          That is simply a LIE.
          In Paris, the carriages are stationed right by the Eiffel Tower. In London, you need a reservation at least 6 hours in advance, according to one company. Yes, they do weddings, etc, but each company says they are also available for private hire for tours through the streets of the city of London. (see last link)
          (I won't even get into Beijing - are you kidding me? They have children pulling rickshaws, horses are certainly not a priority.)

          Following are the links either showing or advertising carriages for hire in both London and Paris (the first one has a video):

          http://www.webcastr.com/videos/news/...carriages.html

          http://www.dosomethingdifferent.com/..._through_paris

          http://manstouch.com/travel/horse-and-carriage.html

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/oxfraudm/2213485348/

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickcity8/4006129217/

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/58051746@N00/3928971865/

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/barbara...n/photostream/

          http://www.timetravel-britain.com/ar...n/horses.shtml

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/25587109@N06/2897559850/

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/thecobw...ble/507102417/

          http://www.020.co.uk/h/horse-drawn-c...s/london.shtml
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          • #6
            No they're not banned.

            I know quite a few folks who run commercial enterprises in London.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SMF11 View Post
              Well there are *stables* in London and even riding rings in Hyde Park. I lived there for four years and I never saw a carriage ride anywhere, though I don't doubt they are legal. Certainly nothing like NYC.
              london is big place, there are plenty of stables all around london both inside the city and west end to outside and surrounding areas

              carriage driving isnt banned from london commercial vechiles not only cover rides and drives and wedding etc but also covers the big boys pulling drays and haulage
              here is one society covers the london harness horses even tho some come further out in uk
              its a major event,


              http://www.lhhp.co.uk/carriages/index.html

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              • #8
                In London I believe a horse drawn cab has recently been licensed for use as a taxi, think it was in the news recently.

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                • #9
                  One more thing -- Britain is one of the most animal-centric societies I've seen -- animal welfare is a top issue for them. If there ever was a place that carriage horses were going to be treated well it would be London!
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                    Originally posted by Thomas_1 View Post
                    No they're not banned.

                    I know quite a few folks who run commercial enterprises in London.
                    Is it still true that some breweries in London still find horse drawn carts more economical than trucks for delivery to local pubs?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Farecentro View Post
                      In London I believe a horse drawn cab has recently been licensed for use as a taxi, think it was in the news recently.
                      That wasn't London.
                      I'm not sure, but I think that you wouldn't be able to run carriage "rides" in London in the same way that they do in the USA. ie. Having horses standing around waiting all day, and then running multiple trips etc.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                        That wasn't London.
                        I'm not sure, but I think that you wouldn't be able to run carriage "rides" in London in the same way that they do in the USA. ie. Having horses standing around waiting all day, and then running multiple trips etc.
                        As of right now, it's my understanding that the London carriages for hire are by advance reservation only. The Westway Carriage Company link is in my previous post.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Janet View Post
                          Is it still true that some breweries in London still find horse drawn carts more economical than trucks for delivery to local pubs?
                          No that's not true.

                          Brewery drays with heavy cold bloods aren't used because of economics at all. Indeed it's not cheaper to run a team of horses at all.

                          Rather they're still used merely as part of PR and promotional marketing strategy.

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