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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blueboo:

    Oh yes, and if that isn't shocking I don't know what is - that the international community feels the need to watch our elections like they do in some african country (or GASP - Afganinstan) is fairly appalling in my personal opinion. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    How about the International Monetary Fund issuing reports warning that our budget deficits and trade imbalance threaten not only our own economy, but the global economy? (See the New York Times article )

    It is interesting (and maybe appalling) to see ourselves through the eyes of the international community.

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blueboo:
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by dcm:
      Please don't put words into my mouth. I did not blame Bush for the inspectors (though as I remember, he did move his hand-over team right on into the oval office in an assumption of power just prior to any decision being handed down). But don't you find it just the teensiest bit off-putting that America's elections are being viewed and treated as suspect - as though we were some war-torn third world country? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Sorry I misinterpeted your remarks, but they are suspect to me since you and many others seem to blame Bush for everything.

      The inspectors are here at the invitation of the racist Democrat Congresswoman in Florida named Corrine Brown. Not because our elections are held as suspect by the world.

      Sorry if I am a bit angry right now. I was directed to this Manhatten Polling Place

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      • I am just glad that election day is finally here. I hope the decision is clear and distinct, whichever way it goes. We as a nation don't need any more important elections decided by chance.

        I am pleased to see that turnout looks strong. Whatever happens, no one around the world will be able to say that Americans were apathetic about this election.

        In California I've never had to wait more than a couple of minutes to vote. I am humbled by the people who are waiting hours to exercise their voting rights.

        May the Force be with us all.
        If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
          Sorry if I am a bit angry right now. I was directed to this http://www.zombietime.com/ny_broome_..._place_11-2-4/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Everyone on both sides has scary examples of things that are inappropriate/wrong/evil. Just remember that electioneering and falsely challenging someone's right to vote are felonies... which in most states will cause you to lose your right to vote.
          If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
            The inspectors are here at the invitation of the racist Democrat Congresswoman in Florida named Corrine Brown. Not because our elections are held as suspect by the world. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            And why is she a racist, exactly?

            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sorry if I am a bit angry right now. I was directed to this http://www.zombietime.com/ny_broome_..._place_11-2-4/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Um, how is it you can discount the Village Voice completely, yet believe some random site on the Internet without question?

            I'd be mighty surprised if those photos were legit.

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            • blueboo... why do you think the International community is watching this election? Voter fraud?

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
                Sorry I misinterpeted your remarks, but they are suspect to me since you and many others seem to blame Bush for everything.

                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                No problem - I can understand where you're coming from, and how it would be easy to get the idea that (pick your side) thinks that their candidate might be proof of the second coming, and the other candidate is evil incarnate. I don't believe that Bush is necessarily evil or that Kerry is necessarily the be-all answer to the century's or the country's problems (Hell, I don't know the men - either one of them). I can only base my opinions (and in the final analasis that's all they are ) on what I've seen of their actions - and their "apparent" attitudes and mental processes - and my reactions to same.

                I CAN say that from what I've seen and heard, given my druthers, I'd much rather spend an evening talking to Kerry than Bush - As I've said repeatedly, at least he thinks - perhaps not exactly as I do on everything - but he's articulate, cultured and intellegent - and that goes a loooooooong way in my book.
                "The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear" ~ Socrates

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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
                  blueboo... why do you think the International community is watching this election? Voter fraud? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  why else? They sure as heck don't need to watch us to see how it's done - not in person anyway.

                  edited to change that a bit - I think they're more afraid of fraud AGAINST the voters.....
                  "The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear" ~ Socrates

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                  • blueboo... OH. I was thinking that International interest would have more to do with International exchanges.

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                    • Just a fun bit of info from the ABC news site:

                      "Finally, the election promises to be historic in any number of ways, but here are two: No president since Harry Truman with a job approval rating under 50 percent the summer before the election has been re-elected; Bush was at 47 percent in June, and right on the bubble, 50 percent, in a tracking result two weeks ago.

                      At the same time, no incumbent running for re-election since 1956 has lost when consumer confidence was above its long-term average; and confidence today, while hardly brimming, is above average.

                      Therefore this either will mark the first time since Truman that a less-than-popular president has been re-elected; or the first time since Eisenhower that an incumbent's been thrown out when consumer confidence was better than usual. No such precedent is predictive — and one of these will not survive the 2004 election. "
                      "The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear" ~ Socrates

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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Actually, it was the Democrats' refusal to accept the defeat of Gore in 2000 that created the depth of the current division. It is no less than intellectually dishonest to say otherwise. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        The 2000 election was a perfect example of chaos theory, where a few small random events changed literally the course of the whole world.

                        I accept that Bush won the Presidency in 2000, but I think it is clear to everyone that it was just chance as to who the country meant to elect. You had absurdly slim margins in several states, not just FL. If Gore had been announced as winner of FL there probably would've been recount action in some of those other states initiated by the Bush team. So it's possible that one of those recounts could've given the election to Bush.

                        Even Pat Buchanan agreed that he got a few thousand votes more than he should've in south Florida, simply due to voter confusion.

                        If Gore had had the resources that Kerry has had this year, he probably would have won. Maybe if a Bush cousin hadn't been working in the election rooms and called it for Bush, the FL count would've gone differently.

                        Our election system has simply not been designed or tested to handle such a close outcome. We will make it better (NO black-box touchscreen machines, thank you; Paper trails are essential) but it does take some time. Hopefully, election officials are coming around to what computer professionals have been telling them - that Diebold et al have snowed them with marketing speak and that salesmen are not authoritative experts.

                        But, in the end, the system did work. We went through the legal procedures, and a decision was reached, and a transition was made without bloodshed, rioting, etc. As Americans, we take that for granted, but it is truly a special thing.

                        I don't think it is the election itself that was polarizing. Face it; before the election people were claiming (Michael Moore was one of the biggest) that there were no differences between these candidates. If Bush had governed as a moderate, IF he'd stayed out of Iraq, I think he'd still be coasting on 9/11 numbers. It may not be all his fault; Tom DeLay and Trent Lott did much of the damage by changing the rules in the Senate and House specifically to suit themselves. But Ashcroft and Rumsfeld and Rove have been a huge part of the "my way or I'll crush you" theme, and in theory they serve at the pleasure of the President.

                        The election was just one straw of many.

                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yes, Bush has done things that have polarized this country, but a strong leader does not always take the most popular road. He makes the tough decisions that are the best for his country at the time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        For example, when Kerry came home from Vietnam he made himself a target and spoke out about the horrible things done in the name of the United States. Not popular, but best for his country at the time.

                        Or when Kerry went after BCCI. The only people who had ever heard of BCCI had a vested interest in its survival, including many influential and wealthy Democrats. No one wanted it investigated. But he did it anyway, and he took out a major source of funding and money laundering for middle eastern terrorists. It wasn't popular. It wasn't easy. No poll told him to do that. It was just the right thing to do.
                        If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                        • poltroon, I completely agree about the paper trail being necessary. I was pleasantly surprised to see paper ballots that only required enough intelligence to read and fill in the correct oval for your candidate and have it run through the scanner. No hanging chads here! Told you right then and there if it was accepted (I was voter no. 325 today!).

                          Erin, I've heard enough horror stories about Corrine Brown to curl my hair! By the way, she accepted money from the Saudis after 9/11 to help her campaign after Rudy Giuliani(sp?) declined it. Her latest shenanigans included standing on the doorstep (not 50 ft. away as required by federal law) of the early voting station in Jacksonville and handing out pretend ballots premarked for "her" candidates. I find that incredibly intrusive and obnoxious, not to mention tacky but again, that's her to a "T". I've heard many stories of her being anti-white but I cannot remember any specifics at the moment so take it with a grain of salt.
                          "We don't ride the clock. We ride the horse." Reiner Klimke.
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                          • Huh. Okay, I agree, sounds like a loony.

                            Don't you have to be an American citizen to contribute to someone's political campaign??

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                            • Exit polls still looking positive for Kerry. MSN Slate has new numbers, if you can get on the site. News is running a bit slow today.

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                              • The Saudi contribution that Giulani turned down was not a campaign contribution. It was a $10 million contribution to a 9/11 relief fund, and Giulani rejected it because he didn't appreciate comments the Saudi prince made about US foreign policy. It's hard to find anything on the web that gives a detailed but objective view of it; most of the articles I found also expressed a strong opinion about whether he should or should not have taken the money. This Slate article seemed to be the most middle-of-the-road.

                                I haven't found anything about Saudi contributions to Corrine Brown. Erin is correct that you have to be a US citizen (or at least willing to lie about it) to contribute to a political campaign.

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blueboo:
                                  Ya know Erin, it would be kind of fun to file these two election threads away and bring them back out in a few years - regardless of who wins (or steals) the election - just to see what the different perspectives were and who, if anyone has changed their mind. Would that be possible? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Hmm. Yeah, I could probably stick them in the favorites section. The last one (that monster Bush v. Gore thread) was in Off Course and so is archived there, but I usually just delete the OT Day forum threads. I will think about it.

                                  Just for kicks, here's the Bush v. Gore thread (actually, I'm wrong, it's in the Cactuskate forum)... I'll have to scan through that one. Interesting reading four years later, I'm sure.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:

                                    Oh come on! Blame that one on Bush, too. Jeez some of you need to get a reality check. Both parties are guilty. The biggest assist to voter fraud is the banning of requiring photo ID before voting and that is advocated by the Democrats. In the cases of voters with duplicate registrations (ask M Mooron - he is double registered), the vast majority are Democrats. Don't put that in the lap of Bush. The Democrats asked the monitors to come here, too. It was that crazy lady from Fla, whats-her-name.

                                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    ACTUALLY, the Republican Congress and administration refused to finance the Voter Reform Act that was passed after the last election in a timely fashion to allow the improvements everyone agreed that we needed.

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                                    • A local Utah news station just said that the Elections Commission (? not sure of the term) said that by 3pm this afternoon 50 percent of registered voters in Salt Lake County had already voted! and the heaviest voting time is betwen 5 and 7 (polls close at 8pm). They're anticipating up to 85 percent of registered voters casting a vote - Completely unheard of!


                                      In the last two major elections something like 25 or 30 percent was the total.
                                      "The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear" ~ Socrates

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blueboo:
                                        Ya know Erin, it would be kind of fun to file these two election threads away and bring them back out in a few years - regardless of who wins (or steals) the election - just to see what the different perspectives were and who, if anyone has changed their mind. Would that be possible? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Hmm. Yeah, I could probably stick them in the favorites section. The last one (that monster Bush v. Gore thread) was in Off Course and so is archived there, but I usually just delete the OT Day forum threads. I will think about it.

                                        Just for kicks, here's the http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/f...1226020131&p=1 (actually, I'm wrong, it's in the Cactuskate forum)... I'll have to scan through that one. Interesting reading four years later, I'm sure. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Thanks Erin - we could think of it like a time capsule!
                                        "The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear" ~ Socrates

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                                        • I read somewhere that in 1964 over 95% of registered voters voted. Be great if we hit that again.

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