A VERY unscientific poll, Bush or Kerry?

[CessnaPilot]

Pc - to be fair, the same can be said for Kerry Supporters, many of whom have the "anything but Bush" mentality.

[lauriep]

But Cessna, doesn't it bother you that a President could inspire that kind of feeling in otherwise intelligent, thinking people? It does me.

Back to Bush's speeches, silever, right on! He DOES work for us, at least til next Tuesday, and how dare he or his handlers deny ANYONE access to his speeches. It is NOT a private club, or private anything, so actually, could it be illegal for him to do so?

[CessnaPilot]

No - it doesn't bother me because I have come to the sad realization that most people are idiots until they prove themselves otherwise.

[Windsor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Those who made their minds up on this issue before the Democrats even chose their candidate are fools, just like those who say "anyone but Bush". You may as well let a computer run the country if all you can see is a binary system: "good" vs. "bad", "black" vs. "white", "liberal" vs. "conservative", "Republican" vs. "Democrat"...yechh. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

deltawave, I've noticed an alarming pattern in all of your posts--they are way too sensible and well reasoned, and therefore I'm not sure they belong in any thread related to this year's election. Sorry.

[Oakleigh]

I am having a hard time tolerating the postings and emails I am getting that call one or the other party a "war criminal, moron, traitor, idiot...on and on". The population of the US has become rude, mannerless, and disrespectful.

I have lived through many elections, but this is the first one that has become this hyped and ugly. It has polarized the population. The underhanded tricks and name calling on both sides stun me.

The population of the US is very much "on edge". Just look at the news. Yesterday, a man stabbed his wife in the neck and killed her, at a local community college. His reason was that he didn't want her to get custody of their four children. Now he's going to prison and the four children will go to foster care. I would have to say he didn't think this one through. A father killed his wife and stabbed his 8 year old son in the stomach. The 8 year old survived it and called 911 to report that his daddy had killed him. A man drove his car on the sidewalk, nearly running down a group of women carrying signs. His reason was he wanted to "scare the protesters" who were making traffic go slower. A voter registration canvasser was paid in crack cocaine for all the new applications he collected.

In the past four weeks I have had two patients totally melt down in the chair and had to send them for psych evaluations immediately...and I'm a dentist! The melt downs had nothing to do with dentistry or me. I have not had this happen in the 20 years I have been practicing. The pressures of life have become unbearable for some.

Yesterday I found myself humming the song lyrics "Blow up the tv. Throw away the paper. Move to the country... Build us a home. Plant a little garden. Grow alot of peaches..."

I think we could all benefit from putting the media in the proper perspective. Big money from both sides turns the wheels. We could all benefit from simplifying our lives and taking a break from the media. Turn off your tv. Don't read the paper. Go hug your horse and get back to the basics of good manners and respect for others. At the same time, respect for our current president and loyalty to our country is important.

Oakleigh

[Babs]

Oakleigh, you are so right. Plus, in Virginia, with the exception of one day, it has been dark, gloomy and drizzly for two weeks. Everyone is ready to kill.

And (I am shouting now) I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS @#$%^&* ELECTION TO BE OVER!!!

[DMK]

See, deltawave, it's a funny thing about primaries. Sure a yellow dog democrat can say "ABB" BEFORE the primaries, but then, just like the Republicans, we all have to come together and responsibly nominate a candidate worthy of running this country (from the ship of fools who would actually WANT the job).

For all the rabid anti-Clinton sentiment in the Republican party in '96 and nominees worthy of much political humor, everyone got down to brass tack and nominated Bob Dole -an eminantly reasonable sort of person, in spite of the fact his sanity must immediately be questioned because he ran for the job).

So I do think the vast majority of yellow dogs in this country (OK, so Republicans never got themselves a cute moniker, but we will allow them to share ours for purposes of the argument) say stuff like that, but it's more to express vehement dislike for the policies of the other side. But let's not kid ourselves. I doubt many people would support Zell Miller on the dem ticket. Fortunately the primary system works, so we can all continue to amuse ourselves with edgy political humor AFTER the primaries if that's what rocks our boat.

But as Jon Stewart likes to point out, "this is the Comedy Channel, and this is fake news." Don't confuse this with reality.

[Babs]

Oakleigh - Wait a minute. I did not read your entire post. Yes, you are right about people being on edge. But respect for this president - why? Respect is something to be earned. This fellow is just one of those people born into the right families. He deserves very little respect from what I see. I guess he is a fun guy to party down with. Ok, for what that is worth. But otherwise I find him contemptible as a president. And loyal to our country includes critizing when necessary, not blindness to its faults.

[pcwertb]

CessnaPilot

That is exactly the mentality my husband has, and he's a reg Reb who voted for Bush in '00. And he says anyone but Bush!

[Oakleigh]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Babs:
But respect for this president - why? Respect is something to be earned. This fellow is just one of those people born into the right families. He deserves very little respect from what I see.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps I should have said respect for the office of president. The current president earned respect just for having won the office. It's ok to vote either way. Voting him for 4 more years, or voting him out of office is fine. My contention is that the disrespect of calling someone a "moron, traitor, war criminal..." is only adding to the national stress. Civility is not expensive. We should all acquire some.

Oakleigh

[Huntertwo]

BUSH/CHENEY 2004 !!!!!!

Sorry, But not voting for a Farrrr left Senator from a state nicknamed "Taxachusetts"

The guy voted to raise taxes over 96 times while in the Senate.

And who is going to pay for these so called PLANS he keeps referring to? Thats right.
YOU AND ME

[lauriep]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oakleigh:
The current president earned respect just for having won the office.
Oakleigh <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, no. I agree, name calling is juvenile and unnecessary, but by no means did Bush earn my respect just by being elected, and he has done nothing since to earn it, either. But, I didn't respect him BEFORE he was elected, either, while I do respect Kerry. Do I agree with everything he says? Of course not. But I DO believe he studies issues thoroughly and doesn't just mouth whatever his handlers tell him to, or won't if elected (the campaign trail is an enigma that doesn't show either candidate in a good light). I also believe he has respect for the rest of the world and the ability to work with them, which is imminently important to me.

Respect is ALWAYS something to be earned, not simply granted.

[Oakleigh]

Lauriep, have a nice day.

Deep breath. Peace and serenity surround me...

Oakleigh

[Green Acres]

Reading through this thread, there is little to no chance to convince anyone to change their mind.

However, I have a fairly simple question:

What do you think will happen to the economy, fuel prices, jobs, health care, etc if the US is attacked like we were on 9/11?

I'm not saying there will not be another 9/11 type of attack in the States, but the way I look at it I want a commander in chief that wants to protect the U.S. I don't want someone who will give in to the United Nations and pass the 'global test' which John Kerry talks of. Fighting terrosim and not in our country helps to ensure the Unites State's freedom and security. If we aren't free and secure, then our economy will come to a skidding stop and we will be in another recession before you know it. Look at what happen to the airline industry after 9/11!

I don't agree with everything the president has done, however our security outweighs all other things at this point in time.

[lauriep]

"pass the 'global test' which John Kerry talks of."

Did you even listen to the rest of the answer that this sound bite is pulled from? This is NOT what he said, and this just illustrates how so many of the voters are making decisions (on both sides) just by what the media deigns to highlight, or by what either candidate's handlers tells them to use as a new tag line.

There has been nothing said/done by Kerry that would indicate he would do anything less than Bush in protecting us, and MUCH to indicate that he would re-involve us with our allies, which IS vital in the world today, regardless of what the GOP wants you to think. You cannot go it alone.

[HFSH]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huntertwo:
BUSH/CHENEY 2004 !!!!!!

Sorry, But not voting for a Farrrr left Senator from a state nicknamed "Taxachusetts"

The guy voted to raise taxes over 96 times while in the Senate.

And who is going to pay for these so called PLANS he keeps referring to? Thats right.
YOU AND ME <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*cough*

So when is that great Iraq oil going to start paying for the training, arming, and cleanup of iraq?

Oh wait, it does'nt have to as Bush and Congress authorized $200billion of US taxpayer money to pay for it.

[Invested1]

Funny too how some of you say we should respect Bush because he was "elected" President. If you all recall, he actually LOST the popular vote!!!

[ser42]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huntertwo:
BUSH/CHENEY 2004 !!!!!!

Sorry, But not voting for a Farrrr left Senator from a state nicknamed "Taxachusetts"

The guy voted to raise taxes over 96 times while in the Senate.

And who is going to pay for these so called PLANS he keeps referring to? Thats right.
YOU AND ME <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto HFSH. And, by the way, Massachusetts has a Republican governor. I won't get in to what he's done while in office in too much detail, but let's just say that he has driven up the costs of a lot of items and services that we use daily- and who pays for those increases in fees? Disproportionately, it's the middle class and poor. Seems eerily similar to what's happening on the national level, hmmmmmmm.....

[Perfect Pony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HFSH:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huntertwo:
BUSH/CHENEY 2004 !!!!!!

Sorry, But not voting for a Farrrr left Senator from a state nicknamed "Taxachusetts"

The guy voted to raise taxes over 96 times while in the Senate.

And who is going to pay for these so called PLANS he keeps referring to? Thats right.
YOU AND ME <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*cough*

So when is that great Iraq oil going to start paying for the training, arming, and cleanup of iraq?

Oh wait, it does'nt have to as Bush and Congress authorized $200billion of US taxpayer money to pay for it.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh wait! Haven't you heard? All that oil money is going to Kuwait to pay for 'reperations' from the first war, and those guys spending our money to rebuild Iraq are pocketing billions themselves. http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

[SGray]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huntertwo:
BUSH/CHENEY 2004 !!!!!!

Sorry, But not voting for a Farrrr left Senator from a state nicknamed "Taxachusetts"

The guy voted to raise taxes over 96 times while in the Senate.

And who is going to pay for these so called PLANS he keeps referring to? Thats right.
YOU AND ME <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huntertwo - you might enjoy reading what has already been written on these two threads - if you take the time to do so you will see that the 'votes' issue has been clarified - as well as reading many other interesting informative ideas