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I guess I just don't understand this line of thinking... opinions.

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  • I guess I just don't understand this line of thinking... opinions.

    So I was browsing craigslist, and came upon an ad to *adopt* paint horses. I'm not in the market, but it was an interesting read. Posting under an alter, as it is in my area, and I don't want any drama if someone I know is connected to this mess.
    so here's the ad:

    free must pick up.

    reg'd but not letting the papers go with the animal.

    2yr Pal filly tobi not broke never seen trailer - halter broke ONLY

    yearling filly buckskin friendlier HALTER BROKE ONLY again never seen trailer Tobiano posible homizygous

    Grey Overo mare never broke has trust and stress issues needs feild mate at ALL times has been trailered 1 time to my farm years ago.



    On the website it says they had a fire, which is such a tragedy.

    But what I'm getting at here is HOW does it benefit the horse to not send the papers? Really, if someone is going to take them and sell them off, they will do it with or without papers. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep the papers with the horse, but have a contract stating no sale, or keep the horse on a free forever lease? If they are going to sell the horse (and thats why the papers are being kept), the horse would have a much better chance with paper then without, no?

    And if it is to prevent breeding, again, why no papers? A contract stating no breeding, would be better then having say a whole bunch of grade horses, that can't be registered, right?

    I guess I just don't understand, what is the point in having registries, if you are going to separate the horse from it's papers?


  • #2
    Some people do it so someone won't buy the horse for a broodmare. A contract can and will be broken a lot of times buy people. If someone buys this horse from out of state the person that sold it would probably never know if they broke the contract, but if there are no papers they will be less likely to breed it. Now there are those people that will breed it anyways but usually its in hopes to keep it from being breed. Thats the only reason I can think of. The only other reason would be that there are no papers and they are just saying that so people think the are getting a nice paint at a better price because there are no papers coming with the horse.
    Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole


    • #3
      Not sending the papers to keep from breeding doesn't really make sense to me. Maybe I have as of recently been exposed to too many back yard breeders, breeding with no papers and some "interesting" combinations at that.

      Besides, paints being bred with out papers can always go through a Pinto registry and plenty of people buy just for color.

      “Four things greater than all things are, - Women and Horses and Power and War”


      • #4
        Sometimes it means....there ARE no papers.
        A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

        Might be a reason, never an excuse...


        • #5
          Originally posted by BuddyRoo View Post
          Sometimes it means....there ARE no papers.

          Although, it this case it might be because they are giving the horses away and they hate to see someone get too much for nothing. They need the horses gone, but they hate to see someone get a nice, registered horse for free... so they compromise and keep the papers. I don't agree but I can kinda see the logic.

          Seems like a waste to hold the papers on the young horses and the papers are the only value the broodmare has. I don't think they are doing the horses any favors.


          • #6
            Originally posted by BuddyRoo View Post
            Sometimes it means....there ARE no papers.
            I have to agree, esp. after looking at the website...


            • Original Poster

              I was thinking there may not be any papers too. But wouldn't that be a weird risk to take? Like if I was interested, when I went to look at the horse I'd request to see the papers. What would the response be? Wouldn't most people ask to see the papers, even if they are not getting papers?

              These are young horses, and I'm just thinking it's a crappy thing to do... strip them of their value by keeping papers... For the rest of their lives, they are just *grade horses* because some idiot doesn't want to part with papers.

              I can see the logic in not wanting to people to get more then they pay for, but in this area, and economy, even with papers, those horses with no training (probably gonna need training just to get into a trailer, or a vet), are not worth much anyways... Unless they have some stellar conformation... which I doubt.

              My point is, either part with the horse or don't... but why separate the papers? If you feel they are worth more with papers, then by-golly, put a price tag on the horse.


              • #8
                that is, quite possibly, the most parrot mouthed baby I have ever seen...

                Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
                Sam: A job? Does it pay?
                Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
                Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.


                • #9
                  And of course they breed dogs too...
                  I want a signature but I have nothing original to say except: "STHU and RIDE!!!

                  Wonderful COTHER's I've met: belleellis, stefffic, snkstacres and janedoe726.


                  • #10
                    They are such typical back yard breeders. A quote from their web site:


                    We are a small breeding farm with our focus on quality, confirmation and bloodlines.

                    Me & my husband, Mel, have been raising Paints for over 30 years. We strive to produce outstanding color and confirmation. As well as the Paints we also breed a few Australian Shepherds. We will be introducing Rat Terriers once again in a year or so.

                    So all their horses have to have an religious affiliation I see. And how can you focus on bloodlines if you are not selling your horses with papers? What good do the bloodlines serve with no papers?


                    • #11
                      didn't make it past the first phrase: ME and my husband....

                      oh well.
                      LESS HARD WORK, MORE FINE DINING!™
                      complicate, obfuscate, prevaricate.


                      • #12
                        I am with you on that one. I read it and then said, "my husband and I" to myself.
                        Originally posted by Dancing Lawn View Post
                        didn't make it past the first phrase: ME and my husband....

                        oh well.


                        • #13
                          I've ran across many owners that do the hold the papers thing.

                          Example I know one horse trader that has qh's from auction, he will charge say 600 for a qh but if you want its papers its going to be 1000. Just the way he works. Doesn't make much since to me either but in this case I'd be willing to bet there are no papers. People do the same with dogs. Some backyard breeders will charge you more if you want the papers with a pup so you can register them. Some will also want more if you want to show the pup or breed the pup.
                          Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole