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  • Okay here is a dumb one.

    When is the term "rising" as in rising 4 no longer used? I saw it last week used to describe an 20 year old horse. It just seamed wronge like maybe they should be saying "falling " LOL.

    Hey I have a 22 year old so I can make that joke.

    Anyways is it always okay or am I correct in assuming this term is only used on young horses.

    Actually while I am at this is "Rising 4" a 4 year old or a older 3 year old?

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    • Rising 4 means an older 3-year old - he is rising towards his 4th year. E.g. a 3-y.o. TB in Oct. would be rising 4.

      I always took it to be a term for young horses - if a horse is 10 or he's 11, in Oct. doesn't make a big difference to what he can do... I figure people get over this one by putting the year of birth, e.g. 1990 TB gelding.
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      • TS is Tailored Sportsman, a brand of britches/breeches.

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        • What is wrapped around this horses legs? Right above the knees. Is it electrical tape?
          http://www.walkinghorsereport.com/co...ld=true&wc=649
          I know the picture is gross, sorry - but the black things on his legs are new to me. Anyone seen this before? What's the purpose? Does it look like he has the same thing around his fetlocks?
          I can't believe a horse showed wearing 1.chains or 2.tape (if that is tape).

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by buryinghill1:
            What is wrapped around this horses legs? Right above the knees. Is it electrical tape?
            http://www.walkinghorsereport.com/co...ld=true&wc=649
            I know the picture is gross, sorry - but the black things on his legs are new to me. Anyone seen this before? What's the purpose? Does it look like he has the same thing around his fetlocks?
            I can't believe a horse showed wearing 1.chains or 2.tape (if that is tape).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Ohhhhhh a Big Lick walking horse. Not EVEN gonna go there, it makes me kinda ill..... (it looks like black tubing to me, BTW, no idea why it would be there. Sigh....).

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            • Adelita - What does Big Lick mean? Is is a pedigree line? Feel free to PT me if you think elaborating here might cause a stir.

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              • A "big lick' TWH is a padded show horse. The "bands" above his knees are neopreme or leather guards that keep him from hitting his knees when he is preforming the flat or running walk. similar to over reach boots. Some padded TWH's tend to wing and can brush their knees.

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                • One on One....Big Lick is that exaggerated walk they do, with the huge pads, bungees, soring, etc...like shown in this picture. There's a huge debate on the cruelty of this practice....if you can tell I'm not a big fan of it. There are tons of organizations out there that are against the Big Lick practices.

                  I've seen it in person, we had two Big Lick walkers at a Saddlebred barn I boarded at....the smell coming from their stalls was horrendous (due to the soring/burning).

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JAZZSTAR:
                    The "bands" above his knees are [neoprene] or leather guards that keep him from hitting his knees <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                    Thanks for the explanation. Doesn't the horse have the same bands around his fetlocks or am I seeing things?
                    Welcome to COTH, by the way.

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                    • Thanks Adelita. Very interesting...

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                      • I'm not sure what the black bands are, but I have a feeling they are meant to accentuate the horse's action. The chains around the fetlocks, which are permitted in this type of Walking Horse show, are called action devices. Along with the padded and weighted shoes, they cause the horse to lift his front legs much higher in the showy, exaggerated, "Big Lick" style. Some less scrupulous Walking Horse exhibitors will apply caustic substances to the horse's pasterns, a process known as soring, so that when the chains slap against the irritated skin, the horse will lift his legs higher. Some will also use painful shoeing methods to get this movement. All these techniques are shortcuts to an end result. They are also prohibited by the Horse Protection Act of 1970, and horses are inspected at shows to ensure compliance. The inspectors are either Designated Qualified Persons (DQPs), who are people inside the TWH industry that have received additional training, or vets sent by the US Department of Agriculture. Many in the TWH industry hate the USDA vets, who are often threatened while on horse show grounds. While many in the TWH industry deny that soring is a prevalent practice, recent statistical data has shown that the number of horses inspected and considered sore by the USDA vets is several times as large as the number considered sore by DQPs.
                        Many people show walking horses in the Plantation or Flat shod divisions. In these sections, horses wear what we would call "normal" shoes, without additional padding, and no action devices. Exhibitors in these divisions emphasize a more natural movement, for which the breed originally became famous.
                        I'm not trying to turn this thread into a debate over TWH shows, but only to offer an overview. I work for the American Horse Protection Association, a national, non-profit equine welfare association (not an animal rights group). We have been working on this issue, as well as several others, for more than 30 years.

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                        • He's carrying a 6oz or less chain the shadow on the left leg makes it look more solid. At risk of being flamed. There are abusers in all divisions in the horse world. This horse is a Youth WGC he was inspected by the Government DQP's (Designated Qualified Person) before and after he showed as were all the entries at the Walking Horse Celebration. There are a few "bad Apples" that sore their horses but NOT ALL. The generalization that all Walking Horses are sored is so far from the truth.

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                          • Foxhound - Thanks for the explanation. Some good info there!

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                            • I think that horse's eyeball says it all.
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                              • Why are English riders taught to hold the reins with out using their pinky finger???

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why are English riders taught to hold the reins with out using their pinky finger??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                                  • Oh that makes sense Thanks!

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                                    • Here's my question:
                                      Why is it that when some people stable their horses at a show, they think it is acceptable to sleep in an feed breakfast whenever they feel like it?
                                      I've noticed this seems to be the case with those who board their horses, and therefore are not responsible for daily feeding, rather than those who keep them at home. I do dressage shows, and even when I don't have to ride until later in the afternoon, I still get there by 6:30, because that's when my horses are used to getting breakfast. Often, I'm across the aisle from someone who doesn't roll in until 9 or so, by which time their horses have been banging for food. I'm always willing to dump grain or toss hay for someone else, but it seems like it doesn't occur to them that their horse doesn't sleep in.
                                      Sorry, that turned into a rant, but it bugs me.

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BumbleBee:
                                        Actually while I am at this is "Rising 4" a 4 year old or a older 3 year old?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        I use the term when marketing a horse that's technically an age but not actually there yet. For instance, if it's February and I'm talking about a horse foaled in June, then it's 'coming (or rising) four', even though technically it IS really four already.

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                                        • On the topic of TWHs...

                                          I feel the need to nudge my way in (albeit a little late) and put in a good word for the breed and those that truely loff the breed and their abilities.

                                          I just wanted to add that VERY FEW people sore their horses, and I hope they get caught and are tortured they same way they torture their horses! My old "instructor" (if you warrant him that title) sores his and his customers (who are mainly KIDS on plantation and lite shod horses) horses, although he claims to be against it. That's not what his history of tickets says.

                                          These horses have so many wonderful abilities and attitudes that I hate to see just the big lick side of things shown! So many more people enjoy and show their horses naturally and it's rarely seen by other disciplines because it doesn't draw so much attention.

                                          I went to one show this year (affiliated with the National Walking Horse Association which has the toughest soring rules and DQPs, IMO) with my horse and it was a blast--competing with other SOUND horses and holding our own. In October I went to a "regular" TWH show commissioned with the Kentucky group (not related to the state!) and the feds showed up. On the first night gave out 14 tickets! Astounding! Needless to say, many trainers never even unloaded their horses, let alone showed. Shameful!

                                          A picture of my TWH and a friend doing pleasure pairs last summer at a TWH show. I'm on the inside on my Pistol, and that's our "twin" on the outside. These guys are great for PP because once in the ring they are *together* for every movement.
                                          Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/user/ride2endure

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