A Must Read about Slaughter hot off the press

[county]

So lets say that once again the politicians that everyone thinks will vote to male it illegal are again blowing smoke. Then what? Do you people that are so worried about the horses this time help do something about kill floor and hauling conditions? Or is it business as usual and the attitude of " if we don'r get 100% what we want qwe do nothing "

[luvmytbs]

People have been trying to get improvements in all areas, to no avail. What are you suggesting we do with the haulers for instance, and stay within the law?

[county]

For starters put as much time, work, and money into getting thinfs changed and enforced as has been getting a bill presented to outlaw it. I'm betting very few on this forum that profess to be anti slaugher have done anything other then voice there wants on places like this forum. Would require to do more then sit and type to make a differance.

[luvmytbs]

You are incorrect in assuming people on this board have only voiced their opinion on a BB. I for my part have been in contact with my state reps etc. Also the USDA. On several occassions with slaughter houses themselves. It is very sad to find people either have no clue or, when in the business, don't care.
How many times do you think I should tell a USDA inspector at an auction that by law the auction house is required to provide water for these animals, before I have a right to get frustrated and upset?
And who do I call to prevent these drunk kids working for the auction house from beating these animals with metal pipes, when in fact the local sheriff sits on the premises chatting with his buddies from high school?

[county]

I didn't say NO ONE from this board doesn't. What auctions do you attend that have USDA inspectors? I've been to horse auctions from Mn. to Tx. and west to AZ. never been to one with a USDA inspector before?

[luvmytbs]

I am assuming that they are, since their vehicles have the seal on them.

[county]

I don't think I'd assume anything from a vechilce. What exactly did they say when you talked to them personally. If you've approached them and stated your concerns why would you go by a vechicle in the parking lot? Havbe you asked them what the duties of a USDA inspector are at an auction? To my knowledge they have no jurisdiction at live auctions but I'll ask the ones that work at the slaughter plant here in town.

[luvmytbs]

And County, again, you have not provided us with a solution. How do we stop the barbaric treatment of the horses from point A to their final destination?
Well, it is clear to me: Stop horse slaughter.

[county]

Same way I've stated a number of times now.

[luvmytbs]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
but I'll ask the ones that work at the slaughter plant here in town. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please do. Because I can't figure it out either, except perhaps they received prior complaints?

[county]

I think the biggest thing I don't understand from the anti fraction people is the mentality of " all or nothing " attitude. I've heard it for decades, I've been told slaughter will stop this year so many times its almost as often as my birthdays. In the meantime conditions for the horses have gotten worse rather then better with very very little pro effort by those people. Whats more important the horse? Or the agenda?

[luvmytbs]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
Same way I've stated a number of times now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wasn't asking in general, I am asking you for solutions of specific problems: 1. How do I we assure that water is provided for these animals while sitting in a kill pen at an auction?
2. How do we stop obviously sick people from beating on these horses with metal pipes to get their kicks?

These are two really simple questions that I would like answers to.

[county]

Well for watering I'd water them. But what exactly tdid the USDA inspectors say when you approasched them about it a number of times? And if somewhere you've found a law that says USDA inspectors are supposed to be at auctions doing that as part of their job and aren't then I'd go to the USDA office and find out why.

Workers beating on horses I've never seen so can't say for sure what I'd do. I did see a guy thumping on a horse at a show once and I knocked him on his ass. I'd probably do the same at an auction. Theres no reason to hit or beat animals or children.

[luvmytbs]

Well, watering sounds great, but not possible. We are talking shady dudes who run the auction house, as a matter of fact, they are kill buyers themselves.
I asked the gentlemen driving the government vehicles in question, to make the auction house provide water for the animals twice. It was done. However, that only lastet for two auctions.
All I can do, is press the issue every time I am there by requesting them to provide water.

However, as stated above, these guys are not the real friendly kind, they get very upset at anybody who "sticks their noses into their business".

Well, come on down and go to the auction with me, beat the crap out of those folks. Me, being female, wouldn't dare to approach any of them after dark. Or, actually not during daylight either. The movie "Deliverance" comes to mind!

[nettiemaria]

Well, first off - the name "Cujo's mom" is going. It's only funny if one knows the story, then it's not really funny at all.

In any case, this is interesting, because last night I was thinking about the USDA. Perhaps the USDA should enforce the rules better, and perhaps people need to police the USDA, people nearby the plants. Just a thought. I do not live near a slaughter house (Thank God!).

Also, want to bring up that I think even though County is pro-slaughter, he is concerned about the treatment of these animals and has brought up several times that he would like to see that changed, but no one will jump on that wagon he says, which I tend to agree with him a little bit.

There are no organized groups that I know of that are pro-slaughter but concerned about the welfare of the horses "destined for slaughter". Not that I would join anything like that . . . If anyone knows of one, perhaps we could tell County of the name, and he could help in the way he states he wants to.
We do need to address the concerns of slaughter in the meantime

I personally would not like to have these mistreatment arguments available to me for my efforts to stop slaughter.

That is the reason I got into this movement in the first place, because of the terrible treatment and horrid images.

[luvmytbs]

I too commend County for wanting to improve the conditions. There are lots of people out there trying to do the same, some avenues are by changing laws. Look at the double decker issue. Perhaps County could get involved with groups who have theses issues on their list.
It is a frustrating road for everybody involved. My thinking is, that all aspects of slaughter, transport to slaughter etc., are cruel, therefore the whole horse slaughter industry needs to go. There won't be a rise in starvation or neglect, that's already been established. It would also eliminated a great percentage of horse theft.

[nettiemaria]

On Onthebit's topic, I think it is the last post directs County to an organization.

Just thought I would share something I found:
Proverbs 12:10 -"The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal, but the mercies of the wicked ones are cruel." It states "wicked".

While we are on the topic, isn't there a scripture that states something about cloven hooves? (for consumption or not consumption), if anyone knows?

[Snowbird]

Yes those are pigs; this is way Jewish people do not eat pork. The Orthodox Hebrews do not use the same dishes for meat and dairy products which also prescribed and in the Torah there are specific instructions about how to slaughter properly for "kocher"food.

However all animals were slaughtered in the Temple which is why they had the blessing of the Rabbi. Perhaps, that is the right solution.

[nettiemaria]

To clarify - Here's what is says: (I'm just copying from the other thread)

Proverbs 12:10 says "The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal, but the mercies of the wicked ones are cruel."

Also, with regard to the cloven hooves -
it states (I have summed it up for ease): that only cloven hooved animals are "acceptable" (exept pigs) for us human beings (a/k/a mammals) to eat. For those who believe in the Bible.

[Lildunhorse]

You will find the dietary laws in Leviticus. It forbade the eating of any animals that didn't have a cloven hoof AND chew cud. It also dictated the rule of thumb regarding the consumption of fish and birds.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nettiemaria:
To clarify - Here's what is says: (I'm just copying from the other thread)

Proverbs 12:10 says "The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal, but the mercies of the wicked ones are cruel."

Also, with regard to the cloven hooves -
it states (I have summed it up for ease): that only cloven hooved animals are "acceptable" (exept pigs) for us human beings (a/k/a mammals) to eat. For those who believe in the Bible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>