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The price of horse just dropped (anyone from here buy the $22.50 weanlings?)

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  • The price of horse just dropped (anyone from here buy the $22.50 weanlings?)

    Here in Colorado the price of horses going for meat just cut in HALF, due to the TX plants not accepting more horses. Horses sold for 0.07 cents a POUND to 0.25 cents a pound for meat. They were paying upwards of 0.40 cents last week. Lots of weanlings went through and sold for between $22.50- $32.50. I had a friend on reserve to help me with them but ONE internet buyer bought them all. Much better than the kill buyer. THe kill buyer numbers are 315 and 242. Every horse (including 2 registered ones) besides the weanlings and the camp broke horse and the fat Palomino went to the killers.

    I called the kill buyer to buy a kid-broke horse from him, as I was not at the sale but watched online. He had already sold it to an individual there. He will not be shipping out till next week. He works for Cavel. I will go this week and see how many horses he has.

    We're in for a fight. There was already one 'stray' horses old at auction. Folks around here are predicting that folks will just let go of their horses when they are worth nothing. Almost all the rescues are full. ONE has 2 spots which we will probably fill this weekend. I am in the process of incoporating a rescue but don't have non profit status yet and therefore dont' have the $ for the exatr facilities (run in sheds) yet so I can only report on what I see. We will see. I will be watching carefully. I'll post on here what I see. I don't think it will be good.

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    Where is the HSUS?? They got the judgement. Cause = effect. Shame on them for not having a safety net in place.

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    • #3
      Out of curiousity, what breed were the weanlings (or majority of horses?)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Marli View Post
        Out of curiousity, what breed were the weanlings (or majority of horses?)
        They were arab crosses and qh crosses. Maybe purebred Qh ranch type stock. The registered horses were colored paint mares.
        Shelly Curtis
        Curtis Quarter Horses
        http://www.yellowhorsesinc.com

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        • #5
          There isn't going to be a safety net in place. Look in the mirror - if you love horses, YOU need to be part of the net.

          If you (not meaning you specifically, SLW, just meaning anybody reading this)don't already have a rescued horse in your barn, ask yourself why not. If you can afford to feed/vet/trim one more and someone has some time to work with it (a working student? someone who needs to work off some of their board bill? a one-horse owner who has extra time?), go to the auction and get one. Plenty of these horses are resaleable as kid's horses and trail horses or even show horses once they are rehabbed. And some of them need to be taken home, given a few days of eating all they want and love and carrots, and euthanized. That needs to be done with some, and there's no long-term commitment in that if you're concerned about getting stuck with a horse you can't sell.

          It's not the job of the HSUS, the government, or anybody else. There is no agency that has the resources to clean up the mess created by irresponsible breeding and irresponsible horse ownership. If you love horses and want slaughter made illegal, it's your job. No, it's not "fair" that someone else dumped it and they don't have to pay for it's rehab...but the only "fair" that counts is what is fair to the horses.

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            #6
            mostly QH cow pony types, some nice ranch bred horses. Most sold w/out papers but out of registered stock. NO TB's nothing with tattoos that I saw this afternoon before the Sale. I am a sucker for all TB's.

            I compiled an Excel worksheet showing prices and will continue to mark and monitor prices as much as I can. Anyone know how to post an excel spreadsheet on here???

            Anyone know who bought the babies???? It was an internet bidder. Hopefully a decent home.

            As for the HSUS, I don't know where they are! They know us, the videotaped Centennial on their mexico slaughter house video. If anyone has contact info pass it along to me.

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              #7
              Excel spreadsheet of horses sold today at Centennial Livestock Sales in Ft Collins CO

              Not perfect to read. Buyers #315 and 242 are kill buyers. 315-0 means straight to kill, 315-1 means possible re-sale OR slaughter


              1/24/2007 pounds price/lb total $ buyer notes
              Sorrel gelding 965 0.11 106 315-0
              Paint mare 1035 0.32 331 315-1 Registered, broke
              Grey mare 815 0.07 57 242-10
              blk mare 1055 0.22 232 315-0
              grey gelding 970 0.2 194 315-0
              roan gelding 905 0.14 126.7 315-0 stray, old, paint
              Paint gelding 1165 0.22 256.3 315-0 APHA 1980
              bay mare 925 0.16 148 315-0
              chestnut mare 955 0.16 152.8 242-10 old
              ? mare 1120 0.22 246.4 315 reg, just weaned, May 1988, Super Music Mount from Breckenridge
              chestnut gelding 920 0.35 322 1458 Estes Park camp horse, well broke
              Palomino gelding 1425 0 private buyer Registered, broke, vaccinated, 2001 "Condareason"
              dun gelding 815 ? 315-0 sold afterwards to private buyer, thin, kid broke, old, sound
              blk stud 890 0.17 151.3 315-0 Paint B.S. 3 y.o., halter broke, sound, friendly
              grey gelding 1025 0.11 112.75 315-0 kid broke, old, lame in back
              grey gelding 790 0.14 110.6 315-0 6-7 y.o. pony, unbroke
              bay gelding 805 0.11 88.55 315 green broke, 16 y.o., esp. rider, shoes/loads
              bay gelding 785 0.11 86.35 315 yearling, from Burns, CO
              bay gelding 1170 0.22 257.4 315-0 from Burns, CO
              dk. Bay gelding 860 0.13 111.8 315-0 yearling from Burns, CO
              bay w/ white gelding 840 0.11 92.4 315-0 yearling from Burns, CO
              grulla gelding 1020 0.17 173.4 315-0 fat
              lt. bay, white nose gelding 1150 0.17 195.5 315-1
              roan wh. Face mare 1385 0.28 387.8 315-0 from Gates Farm, Burns, CO
              bay ffilly 25 internet weanling
              chestnut gelding 990 0.15 315-0 from Oak Creek, CO
              Paint mare 1050 ? 315 from Denver, CO
              bucksin colt 520 40 internet weanling
              blk colt 425 22.5 internet weanling
              white face colt 505 32.5 internet weanling

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FatPalomino View Post
                NO TB's nothing with tattoos that I saw this afternoon before the Sale. I am a sucker for all TB's.
                Me too. Shelly was watching the auction online and I said "if there are any old skinny TB mares, I don't want to know." She said "but it's in Fort Collins" and I said "you don't understand, I know people in Fort Collins from the Internet.. I could probably find quarantine board!"

                (Must save $$ for old skinny TB mares going through auctions within reasonable driving distance)

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                • #9
                  ---"It's not the job of the HSUS, the government, or anybody else. There is no agency that has the resources to clean up the mess created by irresponsible breeding and irresponsible horse ownership. If you love horses and want slaughter made illegal, it's your job. No, it's not "fair" that someone else dumped it and they don't have to pay for it's rehab...but the only "fair" that counts is what is fair to the horses."---

                  Sorry, if anyone here is irresponsible is those that close slaughter without a solution in place for excess, unwanted horses slaughter took care of.

                  Like closing the animal control shelter, because they euthanize 30 t0 100 animals a day, then say everyone else needs to now take care of those animals that keep coming in with nowhere to go.

                  Foolish bright eyed idealistic people that can't think past the moment, then find themselves in dire consequences and expect everyone else to bail them out.

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                  • #10
                    So...it begins. I hope all the rescues were there to 'rescue' them now that they don't have to waste their time competing with the kill buyers for the horses at the auction. Oh wait.. non of the anti-slaughter people expected to have to now take on a few dozen more horses each. Another sign of, -I don't want this to happen anymore.. but I'm not going to actually be responsible for the fall-out." Good job. I'm impressed. I wonder how long it will take for the muck up to start affecting the prices up here. Appreciate that. (really)
                    Originally posted by ExJumper
                    Sometimes I'm thrown off, sometimes I'm bucked off, sometimes I simply fall off, and sometimes I go down with the ship. All of these are valid ways to part company with your horse.

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                    • #11
                      Yes, that's right, simply because someone is pro-slaughter, they have not thought it through and have not read a single anti-slaughter post here, and do not understand any of the consequences. All because they have a different opinion than you. Just because our views vary from yours, we "didn't expect" what would happen?

                      You realize that you ruin all chances of arguing your side when you state assumptions like that simply based on someone having a different opinion than yours.

                      I once commented on a thread here about a very random, NHR topic that had come up. People were chiming in stating whether or not they agreed with the poster who brought it up. I chimed in that I did not, and did not elaborate- the same style as those who had agreed with her. She told me to keep my uneducated opinion to myself, in those words. So, just because I stated that I disagreed with her, she knew I was uneducated? And all those people who agreed with her? What made her think they were educated? Oh, yes, all people educated on the topic have the same opinion as her superior one.

                      You are doing the same thing.

                      Refers mainly to:
                      Oh wait.. non of the anti-slaughter people expected to have to now take on a few dozen more horses each.
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                      • #12
                        Actually I read all the anti slaughter and pro slaughter posts on this board, and even post on them from time to time.. now whose making the assumptions?
                        Originally posted by ExJumper
                        Sometimes I'm thrown off, sometimes I'm bucked off, sometimes I simply fall off, and sometimes I go down with the ship. All of these are valid ways to part company with your horse.

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                          #13
                          Shiloh Acres was there earlier. She did not bid or buy anything. I am not sure if she stayed for the sale.

                          Amber from Shiloh Acres and me from Colorado TB Rescue have both advocated a PLAN for the unwanted horse. I personally have strongly beleived in the AVMA's understanding of this issue since learning about the ways of the kill buyer we work with (one of, if not, the largest in the country). Amber and I both have felt that the horses will be worse off after the ban and that many will continue to ship to Mexico to be slaughtered (like to mustangs and melanoma ridden grey horse have been...) WITHOUT a plan.

                          Both of us are full and broke. One rescue has 2 spot open that we will quickly fill. After that, ??

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                          • #14
                            BTW..I'm disgusted that the ban has made horse so worthless, and it's going to get worse. Tell me, what farmer who runs 500 some head is going to 'bother' even attempting to take his stock to auction at all, knowing the proceeds will not even cover the transport costs. . Bullet in the head time, there's the hard core ugly solution that the 'anti-slaughter heroes are going to end up with.

                            I'm not particularly pro or anti slaughter-I'm simply infuriated that there is no plan in place to deal with the fallout-and frankly that IS the anti-slaughter peoples responsibility, 100%. It's certainly not mine, why.. because I want to improve the system first, always have. I'm realistic.

                            All the anti slaughter threads, all the people on this BB saying, oh when slaughter ban goes through, 'we'll ' be able to afford to SAVE all those horses, meh.. there's your proof they won't be able to accomadate the numbers.
                            Originally posted by ExJumper
                            Sometimes I'm thrown off, sometimes I'm bucked off, sometimes I simply fall off, and sometimes I go down with the ship. All of these are valid ways to part company with your horse.

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                            • #15
                              So I'll keep sending my dribbles to Shilo Acres and other rescues.

                              It's the best I can do as I don't have my own property and I board
                              I recognized with despair that I was about to be compelled to buy a horse ~
                              Edith Somerville and "Martin Ross"

                              "Momma" to Tiempo, Tucker and Puff, RIP my beautiful Norman 8/2012

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                              • #16
                                If the rancher is churning out horses that aren't worth the price of transport because he can not sell them for meat perhaps he needs to upgrade his stock. Either that or get a new line of work.
                                McDowell Racing Stables

                                Home Away From Home

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                                • #17
                                  OK, color me dumb, but all I see that has happened is that the meat price has dropped, so horses did not bring as much money if they were unbroke, old, or lame. The "stray" could not truly have been a "stray", as in order for the auction to sell him, he must have been brought there by an owner. You cannot just sell a horse at an auction, if you do not sign off as the seller.

                                  If the auction's record keeping is so deplorable, that they cannot track who brought in a horse and signed off as the consignor/owner, well shame on them. It doesn't bode well for stolen horses, does it? If someone brings a dog to a boarding facility, and doesn't pick it back up, I can assure you, that the boarding facility has the owner/contact info and would turn in the owner for abandonment.

                                  Any horses not sold at the auction, went home with their owners. If they want more money for them, then they should train them. Meat prices give a false value to horses. An unbroke, poorly conformed 5 yr old should bring less money than a broke, nicely built 5 yr old. Just because the unbroke one weighs 1100 lbs, and the broke one weighs 900 lbs, does not mean the unbroke one is worth more. There is now an incentive not to have untrained poorly conformed horses.

                                  Rainechyldes- I'd rather the rancher put a bullet in the head of a horse that is unsaleable due to training/conformation/temperment than see it ship several days without food and water, and endure the slaughter process.

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                                  • #18
                                    I do think that if you are anti-slaughter, you have a responsibility to have at least one rescue in your barn, if at all financially possible, at all times. I do as much as I can. If everybody anti-slaughter would make the same effort, we could solve much of the problem. We will never 100% solve the problem, but saying that it's better for horses to be dead than have a chance of being neglected or abused is absurd. That's like solving the problem of child abuse by shooting all of the children who have bad parents, instead of doing what we actually do and just doing out best to find good foster homes and enforcing laws against child abuse.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by rainechyldes View Post
                                      Bullet in the head time, there's the hard core ugly solution that the 'anti-slaughter heroes are going to end up with.
                                      Personally, I'm anti-slaughter not because I object to people eating horsemeat, but because I object to the process. So if the horses earn a shot in the head rather than a long, painful trip to a slaughterhouse, that's an improvement.

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                                      • #20
                                        I have 3 rescues, guess I don't brag about it is all. When I read this thread, I instantly called my husband at work and said, Dear'' how would you feel about a trip to the States, I think we are going to need a few more horses. His answer was.. ban going thru huh? I'll call the hay guy. "
                                        Originally posted by ExJumper
                                        Sometimes I'm thrown off, sometimes I'm bucked off, sometimes I simply fall off, and sometimes I go down with the ship. All of these are valid ways to part company with your horse.

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