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  • What should I average paying for DD doing shows?

    Well DD just did her first show (leadline) and can't wait for the next one. She will be ready to do some walk/trot classes next show.

    So now I must start figuring out prices and how much overtime I need to pick up. DH ran into BO today and mentioned DD being excited about showing and BO started rambling off things we would have to be paying for. I know nothing about the show world so it will all be new to me.

    She would be riding their horses in A rated shows (I am in the process of finding her a horse but I also don't want a horse that I have no use for if she changes her mind).

    What should I expect to pay for use of one of the BO horses at shows (shows that they will be attending), I'm at a total loss with this and want to make sure my fees are going to be fair. What little things would I be amazed I have to actually pay for? When it comes to my children I try not to be cheep but in this economy I kinda have to.

    I have been told that BO will take you for what ever he can. It is a small barn and most of the other lesson kids that show are either family or close friends. I have to say I do like the BO and wife and they have done nothing yet to make me want to leave. I do know that they have frequent arguments with another client that is not family or friend about pricing of things (which is a non-horsey parent).

    So what type of fees should I expect? I just don't want DD to get her hopes up for something that may break mom and dad.

  • #2
    Outside of some sort of horse lease fee, memberships to the required associations, show clothes, and entries, it is all barn specific.

    Ask for a detailed price list before you commit to going to another show. Ask about any fees you don't understand.

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    • #3
      The last show I went to with my barn(B rating), included these costs:
      -trailering
      -stall
      -shavings
      -tack room(split with the rest of the barn)
      -grooms(mandatory)
      -braiding
      -$55/day trainer fees(starts the day the horse gets to the show and the day it leaves)
      -entry fees
      -association fees
      other fees might include extra lessons, training rides on the horse, horse lease fee
      In the end, with a 2-day show, and four classes plus the medal finals, it cost me close to $900.

      It can add up quickly, but if your daughter is only doing leadline, it shouldn't be too bad. If you can, be your own groom, learn to braid, borrow show clothes if you know someone, bring your own shavings, etc.

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      • #4
        The sky's the limit, and since your daughter is only at leadline/walk-trot, I would counsel some patience. I would limit her showing to only one or two of the most convenient and affordable occasions for now, and save up your money for when she is at the level where she is ready to start jumping.

        An "A" rated show eats money. First, there are the association fees, which will be about $100 for the year (regardless of how many shows you enter). There is the cost for her apparel, which can mostly be used only for shows and she'll grow out of lickety-split. There is the cost to trailer the horse, the trainer fee for the day, the cost for braiding, day fees, and the class fees themselves. There may also be a fee for a groom.

        In some barns, if you are going to shows, you may be expected to buy special equipment like buckets or stall guards in the barn colors, etc.

        For a one day show, you might be looking at a hauling fee of $50-$100, braiding at maybe $35, trainer fee of $50, show fees of $20 + $20 per class or so. Or, each of those numbers might double. For a multi-day show, you have to add in stabling at about $80 per night, and definitely a groom fee. (Your horse will be there for the whole show even if only showing one day.) An away show can quickly get to $1000 for a weekend.

        But, before you go anywhere, ask for a list of ALL expenses.

        On the other hand, if there are schooling shows or fun shows near by, there are no association fees, no special equipment, and the kids still have fun.

        If she stays with horses, she'll want to show, and I would encourage it - but you don't want to blow all your wad now while she's little. Save it for when she's a bit more ready to learn and really benefit from the experience of going away to shows.
        If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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        • #5
          I think that leadliners are exempt from needing USEF/USHJA memberships to show at rated shows. Mini stirrup, also. At the Briarwood rated shows (NJ), they also have classes called Academy classes (I believe) for people just getting into showing that don't require USEF memberships.
          Last edited by skyy; Sep. 8, 2009, 05:59 PM. Reason: more info

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          • #6
            "A-rated leadline"? Oy. Methinks your bank account is being wrung out like a sponge.
            I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

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            • #7
              Originally posted by skyy View Post
              I think that leadliners are exempt from needing USEF/USHJA memberships to show at rated shows. Mini stirrup, also. At the Briarwood rated shows (NJ), they also have classes called Academy classes (I believe) for people just getting into showing that don't require USEF memberships.
              This is true, but the exemption from USEF fees only applies to certain classes. The USEF fees are only a small percentage of the overall bill anyway.

              As others have said, training, shipping, grooming, braiding, feed and bedding, and stall fees are all to be expected if you're showing away from home. A lease fee is not uncommon if you don't own the horse.

              It's wise to sit down with the BO before the show to get a detailed list of costs. Otherwise it can come as a nasty shock after the fact.

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              • #8
                A circuit leadline is PRICY. From past experiences (AKA 6-9 years ago) it seemed the only leadliners showing in the A circuit were those whose parents, siblings or other such close relative was already showing so there was not an additional horse, trailering etc fee making it more economical as you are already there for one, why not the other. Are you prepared to jump start her on the cream of the crop lines when you are not sure if she will change her mind later?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ride2Dreams View Post
                  A circuit leadline is PRICY. From past experiences (AKA 6-9 years ago) it seemed the only leadliners showing in the A circuit were those whose parents, siblings or other such close relative was already showing so there was not an additional horse, trailering etc fee making it more economical as you are already there for one, why not the other. Are you prepared to jump start her on the cream of the crop lines when you are not sure if she will change her mind later?
                  That is exactly what I have seen as well. They are the trainer's kids or something to that affect and have to be there anyway. The pony is being ridden by someone else in another division so already has a stall and is braided etc. I can't think of any other reason to go that route with a lead liner. Take her to a local show where they have several walk trot divisions for the price of one class at an A show.
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                  • #10
                    Ask BO for itemized estimate.

                    Talk to other parents and ask what they typically pay for shows.

                    I just went to a couple of two-day county-level shows and spent $700-800 on each one. The entry fees for those shows ran $22-27. There is some correlation between entry fees and total show cost, but I'm not sure it's linear...
                    The Evil Chem Prof

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                    • #11
                      How long is a piece of string?
                      Janet

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Janet View Post
                        How long is a piece of string?
                        LOL!!! Learn to do it all yourself! Both of my daughters are showing this weekend. THey are both fully outfitted in NICE clothing that I found for about $100 a kid ( lots of used stuff that still looks brand new) both own all their own tack and we own both ponies.
                        We are starting small, its a local show at a nice venue with $15 classes and no association fees. My mom will haul the girls. I will still cost me close to $100 for the day. ONce I factor in yarn, gas, class fees, clipper blades, and a few new odds and ends from the tack store I am up over $150.
                        It is expensive I do our braiding ( i have been practicing) and ALL of our prep work and training.
                        Like other have said learn to do as much as you possibly can for your DD yourself. And then start small, leadline and walk trot are really good learning experiences, but save the big money for when she can compete in whole divisions! Trust me your bills will add up quickly! And take LOTS of pictures, even as the bills rack up its still a ton of fun to watch and experience!
                        Kim
                        If you are lucky enough to ride, you are lucky enough.

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                        • #13
                          You don't want to know. Overtime? Try a second job.

                          My fees (not entries) can run well over a $1,000 per horse per 4-5 day show, sometimes more.

                          I wonder if McDonald's is hiring?
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                          • #14
                            As another poster stated, it is all barn specific. We showed in a local circuit for a price of $100 per class, which included use of school horse and tack, trainer, trailering, stalls and bedding. No braiding in the discipline. Pretty darned easy, just show up, step on and go. Did "have" to do the two classes that made up the division though. We showed non-rated classes at a rated show for the same price later that year, off the trailer, and I got pressed into service as a groom, (but we did have a nice potluck lunch with sandwiches paid for by the barn).
                            Our barn is quite clear that this is an all inclusive fixed price for the local circuit. Rated shows are a little different, they are at different venues with different pricing. They try to keep it near the local circuit price to encourage participation.

                            Get a price breakdown ahead of time if you can because these things can add up fast. I thought my circuit champion ribbon and trophy was nice but not actually $600 nice, which is about what it cost - looking at other posters' costs I think I got off easy!
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                            • #15
                              I know your question was not SHOULD you do A-rated leadline, but given that your BO seems to have a reputation with squeezing every penny he can, I would suggest maybe just doing schooling and local shows? I think it will all be the same to your daughter, especially at that level. Get her feet wet in showing, find out if she will definitely stick to it. Plus, if you do local shows you will not have the added expense of a hotel and your trailering fees will not be as much (and of course entry fees...around here it's $8 to $15 a class). If anything, I'd be investing in a digital camera that can do video as well
                              Katie

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                              • #16
                                Yikes! My 2 daughters show on a local circuit and it ends up costing about $300 a weekend for double judged shows w/each child showing in about 5-6 classes. We own our own horses, do our own hauling, bathing, banding, etc. to keep costs down. I know that the QH circuit can run well into $1000 for one horse at one show, so we will stay where we are for now .

                                I am curious how many other people are using the same horse/pony that you are using at the shows? If multiple riders are using the same horse, all fees should be split and it should not be nearly so expensive. Make sure you aren't getting cheated. I know that you may not be able to go to cheaper shows because you are going with the barn and using their horses, but maybe look into leasing a pony to show on a smaller circuit if you decide that your daughter really enjoys it.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by indygirl2560 View Post
                                  The last show I went to with my barn(B rating), included these costs:
                                  -trailering
                                  -stall
                                  -shavings
                                  -tack room(split with the rest of the barn)
                                  -grooms(mandatory)
                                  -braiding
                                  -$55/day trainer fees(starts the day the horse gets to the show and the day it leaves)
                                  -entry fees
                                  -association fees
                                  other fees might include extra lessons, training rides on the horse, horse lease fee
                                  In the end, with a 2-day show, and four classes plus the medal finals, it cost me close to $900.

                                  It can add up quickly, but if your daughter is only doing leadline, it shouldn't be too bad. If you can, be your own groom, learn to braid, borrow show clothes if you know someone, bring your own shavings, etc.
                                  In addition to this, I pay (split between # of horses at the show) a percentage of trainer and grooms' hotel/rv spot (sometimes they bring an RV for grooms, sometimes grooms get a room in hotel)

                                  For an A rated arab show, I pay about the same price as Indy but I get a few more classes on average.
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                                  Sam: A job? Does it pay?
                                  Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
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                                  • #18
                                    My trainer has a pre-show-season meeting where we discuss all of this, and she has it in writing. How much to trailer to various venues, coaching fees, braiding (if she does it, which she will, but most of us braid our own), bringing our own food, etc. She tries to keep her expenses low, and we split hotel rooms when we travel.

                                    We're going to two shows (preview is unrated, rated the next weekend) an hour or so away, and here is my breakdown:
                                    Stall for both weeks - $180
                                    USEF/USHJA fees (I'm a member) - $15
                                    Office fees $80 (total)
                                    Entries (1 do two divisions at each, DD is riding mare in two classes at one) - $450
                                    Add
                                    Shavings - $50
                                    Hauling - $150
                                    Coggins/health certificate - $40
                                    Hotel - $200
                                    Coaching - $100
                                    Food - $???

                                    This weekend, we have a local circuit show in town. It is much cheaper. For EACH of us:
                                    Stall $50
                                    Office fees $15
                                    Entries $10 per class
                                    Shavings $10
                                    Hauling $15
                                    Coaching $40

                                    Now, we also have our own horses and don't have to pay for that, our own tack and show clothes. That said, DD has outgrown almost all of hers, so will have to replace them this winter, so there's more $$$ out of my pocket. I would estimate her clothes (thanks to used tack sales & hand-me-downs) have cost me no more than $75, helmet not included.
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                                    • #19
                                      You need to ask your BO to itemize the cost you are expected to pay her "before" the show because it will be way more than you expect. In addition to what everybody said, in A-rated shows, there could be setup fees which can run $100 or above.

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                                      • #20
                                        I would definitely ask for a fee schedule. I would also make sure that its fair, for instance if your child is riding a pony that is being used for small pony hunter for another student make sure the trailering/braiding fees are split, etc. Does the BO ever haul to smaller schooling shows? Bottom line it can be very expensive. Honestly at our barn I would probably just let a leadliner come along and ride for free if we were using the pony for other classes.

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