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This is a serious how Parelli helped my horse thread. No jokes please.

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  • #21
    I think *one* of the points Monstrpony was trying to make kinda got lost in the shuffle. To wit: That a LOT of BNTs ignore ground work and stall manners in the interest of getting the horse in the ring and winning.

    Ask me how I know this? When I first got him, Avery had never had his sheath cleaned without a tranq. He had absolutely NO CLUE what I was trying to do and proceeded to attempt to kick the living sh*t out of me.

    Apparently some BNT's just can't be bothered about giving horses any kind of training that doesn't earn them points. They may be great show ring trainers, but they are crappy HORSE trainers.
    "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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    • #22
      Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
      I think *one* of the points Monstrpony was trying to make kinda got lost in the shuffle. To wit: That a LOT of BNTs ignore ground work and stall manners in the interest of getting the horse in the ring and winning.

      Ask me how I know this? When I first got him, Avery had never had his sheath cleaned without a tranq. He had absolutely NO CLUE what I was trying to do and proceeded to attempt to kick the living sh*t out of me.

      Apparently some BNT's just can't be bothered about giving horses any kind of training that doesn't earn them points. They may be great show ring trainers, but they are crappy HORSE trainers.
      Yep, I agree that too many trainers (BNT and NNT) don't bother teaching the basic ground manners. AMAZING! But about all the good I'll say about PP is that he DOES teach basic ground manners. If he and his wife would stop there, they wouldn't provoke so much ire.
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      • #23
        I think Parelli and others like him have really spread "KIND" horsemanship---that you don't have to break a horses spirit to teach. So many people see horses and have a fantasty like they are a big dog and will understand---stay, oh pretty horsey..........Then they get hurt, sometimes multiple occasions, some will seek help, others turn to making the horse "submit". All and all not understanding how horses understand our communicate with us.

        For these people who find Parelli or someone else, it teaches them patience, kindness and most importantly communication. I think because of his marketing, he has reached a ton of people---which if you consider the above it is a good thing. He even states that only 1 % of his "students" don't get past level 1------(loose interest, or that is all they wanted to get past--maybe some ground issues)......you don't got "bridleless" until level 3....which takes Months--or years depending on how fast you want to go. So, it is not taking Joe out of the audience and say, go just on that horse bareback with out a bridle and jump that table!!! It is not like that.

        I have had horses my whole life 36 years and actually saw Parelli 2 years ago---and he opend a few doors in my life. Will I be the bridleless/halterless rider????? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!! But, I like the ground stuff---actually I love it!! I watch the undersaddle stuff---haven't really applied any of it....I like how I do things right now.....but, the ground/lunging stuff has really impressed me and my horses love it!! I have them "mirror" me--I run, stop, turn, back up--no lead and they stay on my shoulder-----I can point to a jump, they go over it and return to me---and from a distance I can have them back up, turn and go back over it----it is fun. I have always had a good communication with horses.....but, this made it a LOT stronger and more fun!
        *Better to have loved than to have never loved at all.*
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        • #24
          I hope this is not a Cother...but this mare could use some Parelli...
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XokemywfY44

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Czar View Post
            Numerous lessons and clinics does not make you a horse person nor does it teach you horse sense. And that's not the instructor's fault.

            Instead of bugging the crap out of your horse, leave it to a professional to deal with behavioural issues - if you need to watch a video to know how to deal with your horse than you have no business "teaching" it anything.
            Except, some of us don't have the kind of $$$ it takes to have a "professional" deal with our horses, and some of us (I am in this group) wouldn't send a horse to most of them in any case. IMHO, if *I* don't figure out how to deal with my own horse, no amount of professional time will "fix" her because I will just recreate the same problems.

            I am a Parelli L1 grad, working on L2, and believe the program has great merit. Many people have learned a lot from P&L. You don't have to own a celery stick, and you don't have to jump picnic tables. You just have to learn to SEE a horse, and listen to what she is telling you. I have a partnership with my mare--45-55 and she has the short end. But she DOES have a stake in the partnership. That's more than she would have with some "professionals."
            ****Hasta la vista, Frenchie****
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Fancy View Post
              Except, some of us don't have the kind of $$$ it takes to have a "professional" deal with our horses
              I'm sorry and I know this may offend some people but I don't buy this.

              I've always believed that you afford what you want to.

              When you own a horse, you are obligated to afford whatever the horse needs. If that means professional training, than so be it.

              It bothers me to see people trying to "muddle" their way through training b/c they don't want to spend the $$$ or time to find a reliable trainer. And that is what Parelli and those like him sell...the do-it-yourself method. Like you can learn training out of a book or off a video...puhlease! Not everyone is meant to be a trainer.
              \"Don\'t go throwing effort after foolishness\" >>>Spur, Man From Snowy River

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              • #27
                Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
                I think *one* of the points Monstrpony was trying to make kinda got lost in the shuffle. To wit: That a LOT of BNTs ignore ground work and stall manners in the interest of getting the horse in the ring and winning.

                Ask me how I know this? When I first got him, Avery had never had his sheath cleaned without a tranq. He had absolutely NO CLUE what I was trying to do and proceeded to attempt to kick the living sh*t out of me.

                Apparently some BNT's just can't be bothered about giving horses any kind of training that doesn't earn them points. They may be great show ring trainers, but they are crappy HORSE trainers.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by tbtrailrider View Post
                  I hope this is not a Cother...but this mare could use some Parelli...
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XokemywfY44
                  Ugh. Most of the comments on that one have depressed the heck outta me.

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                  • #29
                    That video made me gasp out loud a couple of times.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Czar View Post
                      I've always believed that you afford what you want to.
                      You're right! That *is* really offensive. Your "beliefs" do not *reality* make. (As the many, many people in this country alone who just can *not* afford decent healthcare for their families no matter how very much they might "want" to can attest. )

                      When you own a horse, you are obligated to afford whatever the horse needs.
                      I agree with you here, though. The trick, of course, is finding out what is a real vs. perceived need.

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                      • #31
                        I went to a Parelli clinic. I was transfixed for two solid days on the most miserably cold metal bleachers ever invented. Mr. Parelli reached me. The marketing going on at the north end of the tent was annoying, yes, but I won't begrudge him his profit margin.

                        I eventually found a trainer who had taken what he found to work well from Parelli and a few others and moshed it together into something that not only worked for him, but saved me from a terrible lot of frustration. And Steve Bosworth, if you're out there, we miss you.
                        DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by citydog View Post
                          You're right! That *is* really offensive. Your "beliefs" do not *reality* make. (As the many, many people in this country alone who just can *not* afford decent healthcare for their families no matter how very much they might "want" to can attest. )
                          Sorry...to clarify...I was referring specifically to horses, not life in general. When you have a horse, you are responsible for their welfare - if you cannot afford to look after it properly, than you need to reassess horse ownership.

                          It's like a family I know...always whining and complaining everytime a cost comes up with their horse...like 2 grams of bute when she was sore...but the girls come to the barn with a new hair colour (from the salon) every other week. It's called priority.
                          \"Don\'t go throwing effort after foolishness\" >>>Spur, Man From Snowy River

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                          • #33
                            I think Parelli and others like him have really spread "KIND" horsemanship---that you don't have to break a horses spirit to teach.
                            Hmmm. I think they and Monty Roberts spread the idea that they invented kind horsemanship. They pretend that before them everyone 'broke' horses in a harsh and brutal way. That's simply not true.

                            Those of us who were introduced to the horse world many decades ago know that this is just not true. I can't speak for the western disciplines(I really don't know) but certainly not in the english disciplines. The old texts are still out there. The slow methodic gentle methods were used and ,by the way ,there was no reason to break and saddle a wild mustang in an hour to fit into a TV time slot or to wow the carrot stick crowd. Circus tricks.

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                            • #34
                              I don't agree with all of this...

                              Originally posted by egontoast View Post
                              Hmmm. I think they and Monty Roberts spread the idea that they invented kind horsemanship. They pretend that before them everyone 'broke' horses in a harsh and brutal way. That's simply not true.

                              Those of us who were introduced to the horse world many decades ago know that this is just not true. I can't speak for the western disciplines(I really don't know) but certainly not in the english disciplines. The old texts are still out there. The slow methodic gentle methods were used and ,by the way ,there was no reason to break and saddle a wild mustang in an hour to fit into a TV time slot or to wow the carrot stick crowd. Circus tricks.

                              Every time I have seen Parelli, he always talks about his teachers.....and never gives credit to himself....but, to the horse and the ones he learned from.

                              I don't know, I rememer as a kid watching H/J trainers just go nuts on a horse, (the first type of riding that I learned when I was 11) also the cowboys that were at the barn next door and dressage trainers (just 4 years ago)..... lacking the wisdom to try a different way to "get through". I can't name names...but, I saw some NASTY stuff...and they had a ton of students---young and impressionable. If I had the pleasure of being a parent, I would rather my kid be exposed to a Parelli type than what I experianced as a child, young adult and while even in my early 30's (I'm 36). I still see farriers break their rasp on a horse (not my farrier or horse), just a couple of years ago saw a dressage trainer tie a horses leg up and pull him over----beating him when he was down. I saw a cowboy 3 years ago ride a horse to exhaustion in 119 degree August Arizona Summer...while talking to me and a friend, the horse was sweating something terrible, and breathing irratic----then fell over and died......noticing all his spur marks and whip marks on his dying body. So, this behavior still exists---and these are highly valued trainers selling horses for 100,000k $!!! But, happen to be in the right place at the right time to see some of this..... not to mention an arabian barn where abused seemd to be on a daily basis...tying a horse to a pole for 3 days to teach it a lesson, no food or water! So, a person who may have been exposed to this way of treating horses and has for years thought this was okay, then maybe seeing another way Parreli, for example---it truley benefits horses and peoople ....

                              I don't know...... it is funny..... this is not a perfect world where everyone agree's on everything.....but, kindness---love, no matter WHO teaches it is a good thing for the world---and our animals. Because if a person learns kindness to animals--maybe, just maybe it will start spreading more to children--and man kind----and who knows...maybe this world will become a better happier place. It has to start somewhere. I don't see anything wrong with what he does.....wish I would of thought of it and had the personality to promote myself like he has done. Good for him to be successful.

                              I think he has done more good for the horse world than bad----I think the people who down grade him only have experianced either a tv show---or a single occasion or even just hear say. Not understanding his whole program---you kind of have to try it before you slam it.....you know?

                              Not talking to you directly Egon--- you always seem sensible and kind in your post. Just used yours as a starting point for myself.
                              *Better to have loved than to have never loved at all.*
                              ALWAYS Blessings NEVER losses.

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                              • #35
                                Well. I must admit my only direct information about Parelli is from his book. The rest is observation of the marketing and seeing the results with the followers . Maybe I am unfairly lumping him in on that issue. I guess it's Monty who really seems to want to give the impression that his method is a new way to train horses. I have see him interviewed.

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                                • #36
                                  Terri!

                                  This is great GREAT news and I am more then happy (as you can imagine). Its always been obvious to me that you love Bob, and I am glad, in whatever way, that you have been able to deal with his rather "large" personality. Why he was a lease is just that. While he only got me once in the arm, I knew it was there as a possibility he might do it again. I am glad for you and (more so) for Bob that you got him. I can say that he indeed did teach me about being a horse person. I guess he takes that part of his job seriously. Before Bob, I know nothing. Green and green in our case did not = black and blue because he was a nice guy...once his bride was on!
                                  I cannot wait to see both of you!!
                                  Annika (and Taco, a new brand of learning about horses...)

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                                  • #37
                                    To the OP, if you found a system that works for you, great. Parelli probably has helped a bunch of people. However, there are definitely people who are absolutely clueless about horse "sense", buy the book, buy the system, work through it and who knows if they're "certified." I have seen people "try" to use it but b/c they don't understand when to take pressure off, etc, etc, the horse is still freaked out and fearful of that carrot stick being waved in his face..b/c he still doesn't understand what he is being asked.
                                    Parelli is not the only method...but it seems to be a method that is SO marketed that any fool can go out, buy the system, and think he knows how to train horses.

                                    And yes, totally agree that many BNT's, and NNT's, have no understanding of horses and totally skip the groundwork part. They don't relate to the horses nor do they take the time to understand them..other than how to get them to do certain things under saddle. They're just like any of those "natural horsemanship" trainers...it's just common sense..err, horse sense!

                                    And as a side note..for any people that "bend" their horses head to their knee (and yes, I did a parelli clinic), apparently you haven't had a horse take off with you w/ their neck whipped around to the side. Hasn't happened to me, but I've heard stories.

                                    Probably going to get flamed, but I'm popping some popcorn at the moment.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Tillie View Post
                                      Parelli is not the only method...but it seems to be a method that is SO marketed that any fool can go out, buy the system, and think he knows how to train horses.
                                      Oh, god, this is so true. I read Monty Roberts and fancied myself a horse whisperer... and I got basically no where. My horse was sensitive so I was afraid to discipline him, so he ended up with really bad ground manners.

                                      I got help from a trainer, and he's awesome now. She does use some Parelli, but obviously knows how to use it properly. She's been teaching me as well (more common sense than any one system), and it's been great.

                                      The problem I had was that I learn better by seeing someone else do it, and then have them critique me as I do it. Videos and books can't do that. Also, a video or a book can't respond to MY horse, who is an individual, and not some case study.
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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Tillie View Post
                                        And as a side note..for any people that "bend" their horses head to their knee (and yes, I did a parelli clinic), apparently you haven't had a horse take off with you w/ their neck whipped around to the side. Hasn't happened to me, but I've heard stories.
                                        Yup, you, too, can join the legions of people who have gotten themselves in trouble with something that appears simple, by doing it completely incorrectly.
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                                        • #40
                                          If a horse can compete well at higher levels, it does not mean that he also has impeccable ground manners. Some of the nicest horses I've ever ridden were total a**holes on the ground because no one ever took the time to work with them on the ground and find out why they acted that way...
                                          So I agree with the previous posters who commented on the general lack of ground training. I'm not supporting the Parelli empire here, but I would definitely like to learn how to effectively reverse some dangerous bad habits.

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