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  • LOL! Pretzelkitty is my personal domain. His name is Sierras Super Star.

    We got a nice compliment from the new farrier. She said she stocked up on 0's and 00's because she knew she had a new client with AQHA halter horses. Then she got here and realized we didn't have any with feet that small!

    I told her to save them for ponies.

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    • I like the old fashion QH!
      http://www.nfqha.com/breedstan.html

      Conformation - The National Foundation Quarter Horse should possess the Quarter Horse Conformation described by Robert Denhardt in 1940 – the Foundation Quarter Horse is a medium sized, balanced horse, heavily muscled, with sturdy bone and foot to support his weight, and carry heavy loads during long days of work. The length of leg does not exceed the depth of the heart-girth. The large eyes are set far apart on a short head with a large jaw, and the neck is of medium length and thickness in keeping with his heavily muscled frame. All parts of his conformation are geared to allowing a horse to work hard for long hours in rough terrain, and still have the lightning burst of speed necessary to catch a cow, and the agility required to turn that cow on a dime.
      No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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      • LMAO...sorry catknsn...I thought Pretzel Kitty was the horses name!
        I like Sierra's Super Star better as a horse name...although Pretzel Kitty would be one definitely different horse name. I had even thought to myself..."Hmmm, it's nice to see an AQHA with only two names instead of three."
        You jump in the saddle,
        Hold onto the bridle!
        Jump in the line!
        ...Belefonte

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        • Sooo...baseball bats are an appropriate training tool?
          Roo & Lulu

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          • No, they aren't an appropriate training tool at all.
            But...they can be a lifesaver for handling certain animals who would just as happily crush you to soup as look at you.
            Now I personally would never keep any animal that was bad enough to require me to carry a wood bat on my person in order to survive moving that animal around. I'd rather use the bat on the moron who never taught the thing respect and ground manners.
            However...there are some (*very* few, and no, not all previously abused either) horses that are just bad eggs. Having a level headed handler (one not given to temper tantrums) who carries a bat to move that animal around is for safety purposes and the bat is used strictly as a thick, blunt and unbendable tool to keep the horse bat's length from the person handling it. It's not used to hit the horses with...it's just that a bat is a decent length, strong and blunt enough to use more as a prod.
            I've seen a few horses over the years that the handlers have kept a bat close by just in case only to keep the animal from charging or running them over.
            I personally used to keep a whiffle bat in the barn for a similar reason. A whiffle bat is the same size as a wood baseball bat, but it's hollow plastic. Pretty much impossible to hurt anything with unless you poke it's eye out with it. However it does make an impressive sound when tapped against a really, really nasty tempered animal that's trying it's hardest to kill me. Now I have a 3' piece of foam pipe insulation I keep right inside my barn door for about the same reason. It's soft and flexible like those Noodle floating pool toys. It can be used to whack the tuckus end of a kicking horse without the horse really feeling it...it's more of the sound it makes. Or used to thump against the chest of a pushy horse. It has better reach than my hand/arm and makes a better sound without causing the sting of a slap for a fresh horse.
            But hearing someone carrying a bat around a horse usually means (if the handlers aren't idiots of course) that the horse has given them reason to need a few life saving seconds to fend a really nasty tempered animal off. It can be used to prod ot hold against their chest or haunches if they're coming at you kicking or charging...just enough time to spin out of the way and save your own hide...it's never used as a discipline.
            You jump in the saddle,
            Hold onto the bridle!
            Jump in the line!
            ...Belefonte

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            • I'm just going to stick my head in here for a second to say that there are very good reasons to show halter. I showed my three year old last spring/summer at some dinky, dinky local open shows. She got to learn how to be handled all over - clipping, washing, tieing, etc. She also got to find out she could stand bored at the trailer at the show before classes and that me messing with her feet to make her stand up correctly was ok. Oh and look, girly, there are other horses are out there and no, they don't want to talk to you. She needed to learn all of that and showing her made ME get off my ass and try to teach her (with help from a good friend ). I've never shown anything. I've roped and team penned but that's not the same (to me anyway).

              So anyway, there are good reasons to show halter. I couldn't ride her yet and I wanted to a) show her off and b) let her see some of the world. I know that all of that was off point but I just wanted to say it anyway.

              That said, I don't like a lot of the trends in the halter world. I hear that AQHA is VERY political - who the owner/trainer/shower is means almost as much as what the horse looks like. (I say that from what I hear, not what I know for fact. But then I've heard that about showing in a lot of different breeds.) I don't like the toothpick legs, tiny feet, etc.

              My horses are both halter bred and they both move fine. They'd be useless to me if they didn't. I'm not naive enough, however, to think that there aren't greedy breeders out there who don't care and just follow the winning trends. Just don't lump all breeders in together. There are some who try to do it right.
              "Dogs are man's best friend. Cats are man's adorable little serial killer." -- theoatmeal.com

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              • eew!
                Rebel Without Cash!

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                • Someone said, on pg 13 maybe, or asked is the straight pastern, hock, spindly leg thing what is wanted in a QH. Well, no. Not for the "riders" (the non-halter horses). I've always said that halter horses aren't judged from the knees (or hocks) down. i don't think that conformation is necessarily preferred by halter horse people, but maybe the word would be more like "overlooked" (?). But those are the halter horses & that's my opinion. The riding horses are NOT wanted like that. At least I don't, in my HUS & roping horses.
                  Last edited by cookie-monster; Dec. 15, 2006, 11:48 PM. Reason: forgot something!

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                  • I ride with a whip, therefore, I beat the snot out my horse with it while riding. This lesson in logic brought to you by Two Simp.

                    Originally posted by LetsRide View Post
                    Since I have in real life visited the ranch in Sanger, CA that bred and stands The Package, my information is first hand unlike yours. My opinion is based upon my own experience, unlike yours. I do not agree with what your friend told you based upon MY experience.

                    This particular stallion does not have a great disposition. He is not the only stallion in the world that is rather difficult to handle. Some experienced handlers choose to keep a baseball bat in hand when handling rank stallions. These breeders made NO secret of about any of this when I was there. Yes; I saw the wooden bat being stored outside the stall AND the bat being carried inside the stall while the horse was being haltered and while he was brought out. The end.
                    Good point about the 2nd hand info. And please note what happens when you answer the question "JUST WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN IN PERSON???????" with what you have actually seen.
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                    • Originally posted by mp View Post
                      I ride with a whip, therefore, I beat the snot out my horse with it while riding. This lesson in logic brought to you by Two Simp.



                      Good point about the 2nd hand info. And please note what happens when you answer the question "JUST WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN IN PERSON???????" with what you have actually seen.



                      I am a quick study, MP! Yes, it became quite apparent that certain details are better left 'unwritten'. This is especially true considering there are certain experts in secondhand knowledge that will re-write what someone else has actually written and then question what they wrote themselves.

                      Last edited by LetsRide; Dec. 16, 2006, 03:32 PM.

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                      • Looks like a bad Photshop job to me.

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                        • Photoshop?

                          That's exactly what I was thinking... I read 'bout the first 20 posts or so, and I'm suprised it wasnt' mentioned earlier.

                          The forearms' muscling is uneven, the neck looks stretched and unnaturally thin, and her butt, where it cuts into the gaskin... just... weird.

                          If you look at the horses on their website you'll see some have that weird, artifical look to them, while others don't. It's pretty easy to pick out if you've done any photo manipulation yourself. But an eager, naiive buyer might just make the trip across the nation based on these pics.

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                            Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
                            Exactly...I agree wholeheartedly. I personally don't have a preferrence either way on amount of muscle/bulk on a horse...the only thing that confuses me about halter AQHA's is the amount of stallions I see in photos all over the place or at shows that are winning left and right with spindly and underboned legs, teeny feet, hind legs straight as a post and upright pasterns. I can't think of a single breed where those attributes would be either desirable or functional.
                            The amount of muscle doesn't seem to inhibit them in any way really...that's conditioning and breeding I'd assume.
                            May I ask what, exactly, are halter classes in AQHA judged on? Is it conformation or presence?

                            Misty I agree with you and this is the WHOLE POINT of my thread.

                            My favourite parts of this thread, is when Two Simple quits sprouting off and lets other people have a go.

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                            • Originally posted by Coup De Des View Post
                              Misty I agree with you and this is the WHOLE POINT of my thread.

                              My favourite parts of this thread, is when Two Simple quits sprouting off and lets other people have a go.

                              Happy Holidays to my COTH friend, CDD!

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                              • Originally posted by catknsn View Post
                                I have not read the whole thread, but we do have halter horses here, and it's not necessarily true that a big built halter horse can't move. We turned our stallion out in the big outdoor this weekend and I'd like to share some pictures. He's 12, placed third at AQHA world and has haltered all his life, and is perfectly sound without any medications or supplements. He is HYPP N/N and we would not breed a horse who was not N/N.

                                http://www.pretzelkitty.com/images/h...oyd121006c.jpg
                                http://www.pretzelkitty.com/images/h...oyd121006d.jpg
                                http://www.pretzelkitty.com/images/h...oyd121006f.jpg

                                (I looked for a trot picture but all I have is galloping and rollbacks!)

                                I hate people who give steroids or feed up horses to the point of lameness, but it is not true of all halter competitors, and it is not true that halter horses cannot ride. I myself have been riding one of our old broodmares who was a halter point earner in her youth. She is 20 and sound with a lovely flat trot. It's not bulk that makes a lot of these horses move horribly, it's usually a bad shoulder/upright pasterns. If you breed specifically for a good shoulder and good pastern angle, you're going to get a halter horse that moves well.

                                I've had a 2 year old filly in my barn, many years ago, that had navicular and wasn't even broke yet, but you know what, it wasn't really a surprise! Her sire was a great big palomino with an upright shoulder and upright pasterns. So, surprise, he kept siring the same thing, and those morons who owned him just kept on breeding him because he was a pretty color. If you breed crap to crap, you get crap - in any breed.
                                Thank you for this post - your boy is LOVELY! And handy too!

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                                • Originally posted by catknsn View Post
                                  LOL! Pretzelkitty is my personal domain. His name is Sierras Super Star.

                                  We got a nice compliment from the new farrier. She said she stocked up on 0's and 00's because she knew she had a new client with AQHA halter horses. Then she got here and realized we didn't have any with feet that small!

                                  I told her to save them for ponies.
                                  The horses I've worked with never had shoes that small either. The only 00 shoe I've ever seen was on my grade horse who barely scratched 14 hands on a good day and was lucky to run 800 pounds.

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