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    If you were going to try to rehome a healthy horse on the giveaway forum, what kinds of things would you do as far as screening? I've never sold a horse, let alone given one away. But financially, I'm at the point that I'm considering it for both our best interests.

    How do you weed out the hoarders and/or nutjobs? How do you ensure that your horse is truly going to a good home in a bad market? Would you try to do a free lease with option to own or what?

    What kinds of things would you ask or want to know?
    A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

    Might be a reason, never an excuse...

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    Definitely look for several references, including possibly a vet. If possible, make a site visit. When I was in this position, I also wanted to remain in contact with the person to make sure things were working out. Be VERY careful. I had several conversations with a woman who ultimately had ill intentions, and it still creeps me out to this day. Thank God I was thorough...

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    • #3
      I gave a stallion away on the giveaway forum and was thrilled with the new home my boy got. Ask lots of questions, get references, but most important to me is gut instinct. There were a few people that would have provided safe, decent homes for Jess, but I just didn't get the feeling that they were the right ones to make him happy - if that makes any sense .

      I also delivered him myself because he was going about 500 miles away and a site visit before hand didn't make much sense. I did give him to the woman instead of making it a lease situation,but wouldn't hesitate to use a lease contract if I had any qualms at all about giving a horse away.

      Good luck with whatever you decide to do. MI is definitely a tough place to do anything right now.
      Lapeer ... a small drinking town with a farming problem.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by 2boys View Post
        Definitely look for several references, including possibly a vet. If possible, make a site visit. When I was in this position, I also wanted to remain in contact with the person to make sure things were working out. Be VERY careful. I had several conversations with a woman who ultimately had ill intentions, and it still creeps me out to this day. Thank God I was thorough...
        Oh my gosh what happened?
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        • #5
          BR -- have you considered a free lease, for a year, to let you catch up a bit?
          I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
          I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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          • #6
            I re-gifted about 6 TB's this year who were not really suitable for resale projects. Most I ask be returned to me if they don't work out. I would go pick-up if needed .
            2 went to homes where I have placed others and know its a safe happy stable situation, get photo -updates.

            2 went further south on strong recommendations from someone I trust. Both of those are doing well way beyond expectations. But I was very critical about fencing, riding ablility,financial responsbility etc.

            2 stayed more local and I interviewed and rejected until I got right fit.
            Gut plays alot, what they had done w/ their past horses and I asked for strong recommendations before those 2 horses left.
            Both of those last guys had gone and come back once already because of financial problems so a good stable secure home 2nd time was big factor.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BuddyRoo View Post
              If you were going to try to rehome a healthy horse on the giveaway forum, what kinds of things would you do as far as screening? I've never sold a horse, let alone given one away. But financially, I'm at the point that I'm considering it for both our best interests.

              How do you weed out the hoarders and/or nutjobs? How do you ensure that your horse is truly going to a good home in a bad market? Would you try to do a free lease with option to own or what?

              What kinds of things would you ask or want to know?
              Gather references on any potential interested party. Personal and professional. Speak to the person more than once, I always like to see if there is consistency- if there's not it throws a red flag up to me. Inquire where the horse will be kept. I also inquire about the persons finances, and this can be delicate area so I always approach it by asking generally, can they afford a horse (or in some instances, another horse if they already have some). I also inquire what they would do if their lifestyle changed, either physically or financially- and the horse could no longer be kept. Is the person willing to sign some type of agreement to ensure safety? I inquire if they've ever sold a horse in the past, if so- under what circumstances and did they ensure safety (that's a question that always causes some stumbling/uneasiness), but I always like to know if the potential person has and how often/frequently. If the potential new home is close it's wise to go and see where the horse will be living. If the home is not closeby you can always inquire with the vet or farrier reference as to the stabling conditions. After taking in all the above info, again I like to see a consistency pattern- from everyone. If there is a glich in one aspect yet all the rest are uniform and reflect favorably, dig deeper.

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              • #8
                I agree with getting references-I would ask for a current trainer, a current vet, and the BO where the horse will be boarded. I wouldn't give a horse to anyone without at least a vet or trainer. I know everyone has to start somewhere, but I would not give a horse to a first-time owner in most circumstances (mainly because none of my horses have really been beginner horses). I would ask for pictures of the facility where the horse will be living, and of any other horses on the property.

                I think I would do a giveaway as a long term lease as far as paperwork, or as a lease to own after one year, so that I could check on the horse for at least a year, and to assure that if it didn't work out for some reason, that the horse would be returned to me and not sent down the road. If I did transfer ownership, I would ask for right of first refusal and have it in the sales contract, though it's not truly enforceable.

                Finally, ask questions! Ask why they want the horse and its intended use. Ask about horses they have owned in the past and why they no longer have them-if they do have them, ask for recent pictures. Depending on the horse, I might ask for a video of them riding, because many people do misrepresent their skill, and I don't want to set myself up for a lawsuit becasue of that. Ask about what the barn feeds and when they feed it. Ask what they vaccinate for. Ask why thye are interested in this particular horse. If possible, have them come interact with and ride your horse-every horse is different, and they may not work well together.

                A giveavay, IME, can be trickier than selling, because peole sometimes don't care for something they didn't have to invest the money in as well as if they had-some just don't appreciate what they have. Also, hoarders rarely buy animals, but will certainly pounce on a free one. But, if you screen carefully, you could make someone very happy-as well as your horse.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HenryisBlaisin' View Post
                  A giveavay, IME, can be trickier than selling, because peole sometimes don't care for something they didn't have to invest the money in as well as if they had-some just don't appreciate what they have. Also, hoarders rarely buy animals, but will certainly pounce on a free one. But, if you screen carefully, you could make someone very happy-as well as your horse.
                  Couldn't agree more with this last paragraph.

                  I would also like to interject, from that standpoint of my experience working in rescue related situations, that over the past several months we've retrieved several horses where they were given away AND in some cases, with some type of written agreement. I believe it's due to the poor economy and the potential to snatch a horse up that's free ('scavengers' perusing the internet/classifieds for free horses) and turn right around and send it through a sale for quick cash in the pocket. Poor horse suffers the consequences (if it's been bought by a KB) and the former owner(s) are shocked. Really sucks.

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                  • #10
                    After working with some of the amazing groups here I have come to understand the who, what and why for some of things they require. I would always ask for vet and farrier of course, but I think photos of the facility, other horses, a trainer recommendation etc. would be very important to me. Google and Google maps are your friend too...google email addresses, screen names and sometimes you can get an aerial photo of the property

                    There was a new poster here back in the spring asking to "rescue" horses from the giveaways. She said she had lots of land, disposable income etc. yet some things she said just raised so many flags. She "yelled" at everyone, deleted her posts and went on the horsegroomingsupplies.com forum and basically said we were all evil for asking questions. After reading some of her following posts about breeding her rescues, basic care issues, barbed wire fencing, lack of available trailering in emergencies, and putting herself and her kids into dangerous situations (but he is a rescue...he MUST be safe for the 2 year old to ride?!?!?) and then "re-homing" the rescue. ughhh...it just went on and on and on. I thought to myself, "God, I am so glad I chimed in and said something" as there were several people offering very nice horses to her for free so she could "rescue".
                    I Loff My Quarter Horse & I love Fenway Bartholomule cliques

                    Just somebody with a positive outlook on life...go ahead...hate me for that.

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                    • #11
                      Ask for the name of the person's :

                      vet
                      farrier
                      BO
                      psychiatrist

                      and permission to talk to each of th above about the prospective adopter.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HenryisBlaisin' View Post
                        A giveavay, IME, can be trickier than selling, because peole sometimes don't care for something they didn't have to invest the money in as well as if they had-some just don't appreciate what they have. Also, hoarders rarely buy animals, but will certainly pounce on a free one. But, if you screen carefully, you could make someone very happy-as well as your horse.
                        I have done it and will never again. If you give someone something, they treat is like it is disposable. I have also noticed the more pat answers they have, the more likely they are to live in a rat hole, not own a water bucket or bale of hay... I would sell the horse for at least $500 to prevent the instant flip to the kill buyers that I have heard of.

                        There was two horrible posts over the past few years. One was a matronly woman looking for a pasture puff to keep her daughter's pony company. I forget how many companions she took straight to the plant for cash. And then there was the vet tech promising to reschool and rehome horses straight off the track. She was going straight to the slaughter house too. No reasonable horse person expects a horse to be given to them.

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                        • #13
                          Besides some of the great suggestions already given.....I'd look at when did the person join, how many posts (if they're new) and I'd read what they'd posted in other sections.

                          I've not given away, but last Christmas I did adopt a pony from the COTH giveaway (from Kashi). I sent pictures (I think) talked to the folks up there several times, gave references, etc.

                          Of course we keep in touch, and I send pictures every couple of months or so.

                          You just can't be too careful!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
                            Ask for the name of the person's :

                            vet
                            farrier
                            BO
                            psychiatrist

                            and permission to talk to each of th above about the prospective adopter.
                            Haha! That's a good one C&C! Yep, all kinds of wingnuts (no offense to anyone just been my experience!) perusing the freebies!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tweeter View Post
                              Besides some of the great suggestions already given.....I'd look at when did the person join, how many posts (if they're new) and I'd read what they'd posted in other sections.

                              I've not given away, but last Christmas I did adopt a pony from the COTH giveaway (from Kashi). I sent pictures (I think) talked to the folks up there several times, gave references, etc.

                              Of course we keep in touch, and I send pictures every couple of months or so.

                              You just can't be too careful!
                              ditto this too. When I see posters with 2 posts coming on promising horsebala I get worried.
                              I Loff My Quarter Horse & I love Fenway Bartholomule cliques

                              Just somebody with a positive outlook on life...go ahead...hate me for that.

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                              • #16
                                My recommendation to you would be to network locally first. Tell your vet, farrier, everyone you know that you are looking to lease or re-home one of your beasties.

                                Maybe even contact COTHers that you know and trust via PM to see if anyone knows someone that might be a good match for your horse. (Is that allowed per board rules? I'd think it would be given the horse is free...)

                                I am leery of the giveaways board. I think lots of super matches are made there but I do think some folks looking for horses don't have the best intentions.
                                We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by FlashGordon View Post
                                  My recommendation to you would be to network locally first. Tell your vet, farrier, everyone you know that you are looking to lease or re-home one of your beasties.

                                  Maybe even contact COTHers that you know and trust via PM to see if anyone knows someone that might be a good match for your horse. (Is that allowed per board rules? I'd think it would be given the horse is free...)

                                  I am leery of the giveaways board. I think lots of super matches are made there but I do think some folks looking for horses don't have the best intentions.
                                  Ditto to this excellent advice.

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                                  • #18
                                    Google google google. I do it whether the horse is free or not. Google email addresses, phone numbers, addreses, their screen name, their full names particularly adding "horse(s)", "mare", "gelding" and such to the name, or wherever they are from (state, city, region) and see what comes up. I had a grammatically challenged inquiry last month regarding a horse I had for sale. Okay, so I had many of those, but this one in particular wanted to lease my horse or trade me my horse for one or two of theirs. I wasn't interested in trades, but I googled out the info and found her ad for two lame, injuried horses she was trying to trade for her next show something or other project. The ads had pictures and the horses could be kindly described as looking like old plugs, with the requiste barbed wire and grazed down pasture. The reply was a one liner of disinterest, thanks but no thanks.

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                                      #19
                                      I'm leery too...but I was reading another thread recently where that seemed to come up several times as a recommendation so I figured I'd ask.

                                      I would still prefer a free lease situation and am looking into that as well, but the horse in question isn't exactly the world's easiest ride. She's fine if you're just trail riding, but when it comes to real work, she needs a pretty solid rider.

                                      I probably won't do a darned thing to be honest. I'm still trying to find something cheaper and closer to home. We shall see.
                                      A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

                                      Might be a reason, never an excuse...

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                                      • #20
                                        Depending on what state people live in, the court records of the state can often be searched online for FREE. When my partner and I are reviewing prospective tenants for the house we rent, I always go straight to:

                                        http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us...uiry-index.jsp

                                        It has been VERY helpful in the past. You can see if there are liens on their homes, if they have been involved in financial disputes that wind up in court, etc.

                                        I would do this search on anyone I planned to do business with, equine or otherwise.
                                        I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                                        I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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