• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 2/8/18)
See more
See less

Rescue that freeze brands

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Rescue that freeze brands

    Does this bother anyone else? I can understand they want to keep track of their horses and all that, but this seems excessive. I know someone who just got a pony and the rescue freeze branded it even though the new owner said she would pay for a microchip.
    They said it wasn't a painful procedure. I don't really know but it seems like a huge brand on the shoulder.
    What do you think?

  • #2
    If the brand is recognisable and linked to the rescue centre then it is no different to a horse from out west who has a farm brand. It alerts people if they see a horse with a brand and many people will try to find out where the brand originates from, thus potentially protecting the horse from an unseemly end. Microchips are valuable too however they cannot be seen and many places do not have a reader so would never know where the horse came from. I personally like brands and a number of my horses have them - I feel they are a bit of security for the horse.

    Comment


    • #3
      I freeze brand my horses with the freeze brand registry and I know a breeder that freeze brands with her own brand. It's not painful or expensive. I also have a small shooting star that will go on my future horses as well as the national registry. The national brand goes on the neck under the mane and the breeder I know brands on the right butt.

      Why is this a probem for you, just wondering?
      RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

      "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

      Comment


      • #4
        Maybe it's because I'm from "out west" and also prefer mustangs ... but I don't mind branding. I actually admire the rescue - brands are taken seriously out here, and by branding their horses they are setting up another level of security. Theoretically (I don't know for sure from personal experience) all the auction houses around here are supposed to be aware of brands and verify the brand before they sell. Dont' know if it happens though.

        On the flipside, my family has several rescue horses. My main horse has a brand on his right shoulder. It's not well done, and barely noticable, but it's the only clue I have to attempt to track down who he is.
        If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude.
        ~ Maya Angelou

        Comment


        • #5
          If our rescue had a central facility instead of foster homes, then we would have all horses freeze-branded. I saw research years ago that indiciated freeze-branding was much less painless than hot-branding and did not seem to bother horses at all. Wonder if I can find that study again?
          Visit us at Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society - www.bluebonnetequine.org

          Want to get involved in rescue or start your own? Check out How to Start a Horse Rescue - www.howtostartarescue.com

          Comment


          • #6
            All my horses are freeze branded and it didn't hurt them at all. They were all sedated and it was not a big deal. Freeze branding protects horses in my opinion. Most thieves won't steal a horse that is freeze branded and any horse that is sold at auction must have a brand release if they are branded. They are also easily identifiable during natural disasters.
            RIP Sucha Smooth Whiskey
            May 17,2004 - March 29, 2010
            RIP San Lena Peppy
            May 3, 1991 - March 11, 2010

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Tif_Ann View Post
              Theoretically (I don't know for sure from personal experience) all the auction houses around here are supposed to be aware of brands and verify the brand before they sell. Dont' know if it happens though.
              I saw it once. They sold the horse but didn't send the seller the money- the seller claimed the horse was a homebred, and the horse had a brand. The brand inspectors didn't trace the brand, didn't care where the horse came from, just wouldn't give the money to the person who dropped the horse off.

              The horse went to the killers. I happened to know the horse (but he wasn't mine), tried to buy him (at the sale and afterwards), and notified the proper authorities.... after much hair-pulling the horse was pulled off the slaughter truck, but not before the brand inspectors said to the kill buyer "Ship that horse to the plant so we can be done with this".

              I couldn't make this stuff up. After seeing it, and seeing BLM mustangs sold for slaughter at auction without title, I don't know how freezebranding would help a rescue horse that wound up at an auction

              Comment


              • #8
                If a horse is stolen and the owner sends out flyers to auction houses with the brand, most auction houses could be sued for accepting stolen property (not a big deal to some) But, if there is a reward, people will be looking for the brand and hoping to cash in.

                It's just a tiny chink in the armor of the theives, but still a chink.
                RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

                "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

                Comment


                • #9
                  I had mine FB'd
                  four initials - each done seperately - no drugs (twitched only) - on TBs - only thing that really bothered them was the 'smoke'

                  I feel better knowing that there is no mistaking my ponies for anyone elses
                  Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                  The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FatPalomino View Post
                    I couldn't make this stuff up. After seeing it, and seeing BLM mustangs sold for slaughter at auction without title, I don't know how freezebranding would help a rescue horse that wound up at an auction
                    I have no doubt that branded horses do sometimes fall through the regulation cracks but I have also seen the other side here in Washington State in person. Several times the brand inspector wouldn't let them run a horse through an auction without a brand release. Another time I saw a brand inspector at an auction call the BLM because there was a branded mustang without paperwork. I don't know what happened in the end but I watched him make the phone call.

                    It isn't a guarantee but I hope that having my horses protects them from the thief who doesn't want to bother dealing with a branded horse. Around here there aren't alot of branded horses so mine stick out like a sore thumb. People comment on it all the time.
                    RIP Sucha Smooth Whiskey
                    May 17,2004 - March 29, 2010
                    RIP San Lena Peppy
                    May 3, 1991 - March 11, 2010

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Oregon no longer brand inspects horses at auction. They haven't for several years now.

                      Comment

                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        Sounds much more common in the west. No one around here brands their horse unless it is the warmblood symbol. No I don't like it. I am offended that a rescue would permanently mark up a horse like that. We are in a pretty affluent area, you can't even really call it rural anymore. I'm more of the natural, tree hugger type. I don't even like tatoos on people.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          In TX we have brand inspectors at every cow and horse sale and all are matched with a license plate of the one delivering them to the sale.

                          If a horse is missing and it is branded, any horse with similar color and markings and brand is held, just in case, until ownership is cleared.

                          My neighbor had a horse stolen and was called from the slaughter plant on a match, that sadly was not his horse.

                          The inspectors here recover stolen horses regulary, if they are notified in time.

                          I am sure that some fall thru the cracks, but not because people are not looking.
                          Most thieves take stolen horses from here East, where there are no brand inspections.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Flying Hippotamus View Post
                            Sounds much more common in the west. No one around here brands their horse unless it is the warmblood symbol. No I don't like it. I am offended that a rescue would permanently mark up a horse like that. We are in a pretty affluent area, you can't even really call it rural anymore. I'm more of the natural, tree hugger type. I don't even like tatoos on people.
                            Actually, the girl who freeze branded my horse last week came from guess where??? Yup Bucks County, she works almost full time branding and she covers PA, VA, and a couple of other states. The brand goes under the mane so unless you pull very short it's hard to see. I keep mine pulled very short so it can be seen. It's also quite small and not terribly offensive. And out of curiosity and not to be rude, what does living in an affluent area have to do with anything? I don't hink anyone brands as a status symbol, but as a theft deterent.
                            RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

                            "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I must admit; I am becoming much more curious and interested in freeze branding after reading this. ESPECIALY now that I have taken on Benny and have no clues to who he really is and where he came from. I would like a few more opinions on whether to freeze brand or not....
                              “Four things greater than all things are, - Women and Horses and Power and War”

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Eventer55; I totally agree with you and couldn't make head nor tail of what the other posters point was . It has absolutely nothing to do with "affluence" or poverty or whatever the point was - it has simply to do with some owners (rich and poor) seeking extra protection for their equine friends, particularly if they know they will not keep these horses for their entire lives.

                                All of my branded horses are branded where the brand can be seen - a thief or kill buyer could think twice about taking a horse with some legitimate and highly visible form of ID such as a brand.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  My horse is freeze-marked on his left neck, his brand adds some *bling* to his otherwise minimal markings (sorrel with a star) and it's an extra form of I.D., he is also chipped. If he gets loose in a hurricane and is running with a group I want to be able to say "he's THAT one" from a distance.

                                  The actual branding took about a minute, didn't seem to hurt at all, the "smoke" had him looking but he didn't move. Afterwards he acted like his neck itched a bit, nothing major, and there was never any sores or scabs, just a superficial crust. Once that fell off the white hair grew in and voila! We get a lot of compliments on it.

                                  http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...s/JakeLook.jpg

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Ok, so how does freeze branding work? Is there one registry that you join and they issue a brand number then come and brand your horse? Or do you create a brand for your horses....More information please!
                                    “Four things greater than all things are, - Women and Horses and Power and War”

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      I have both of my horses freeze-branded / microchipped. I had it done in SC - there was a guy that would come do it.

                                      I registed the brand with SC and when I moved to MS, I registered it here as well.

                                      The brand is on the left thigh and on my bay gelding it's very obvious. On my chestnut mare, it has some white hair and some areas that the hair didn't grow back.

                                      I think a "freeze mark" is what mustangs get - not sure if there's one registry that does them.

                                      But the freeze brand is whatever you make up. Check with the state you live in about branding laws. I submitted the paperwork for approval to the state before branding - the approval is just making sure no one else in the state has the same brand. If someone already has what you want, then you have to change your brand.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Very interesting..I am going to have to look into this.
                                        “Four things greater than all things are, - Women and Horses and Power and War”

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X