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High Hay Costs Push Up Cases of Horse Abandonment

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  • Originally posted by MayS View Post
    Hey, Marizedoats... I'm making an effort to understand this point of view. Can you direct me to resources that document a big spike in abandonments, overflowing rescues, etc (excluding The Horse)?
    First, my statement referred to the mid-late 80s and I didn't save the articles from back then. Those memories don't need help. I witnessed it and my horse was the 1 neglected/starved one that I could help.

    Second, for the current situation I would refer you to this board, specifically the article in the OP.

    I'm glad your rescue is doing so well. Others frequently post pleas here to purchase one horse or another because their rescues can't take on any more. Or post about those they weren't able to save.

    Go read petabuse.com to see the abandonments and siezed horses.

    Over on the breeder's forum, it wasn't long ago that someone rescued a weanling (actually a suckling) from the kill buyer for $65. That's where horse prices are. A friend of mine out west told me recently that she can pick up a serviceably sound riding horse at auction now for $65.

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    • Originally posted by BelladonnaLily View Post
      Wow. Thats nice.
      Oh puleeze. You're the one who mocked somebody who isn't experience the "thrive" in this economy.

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      • Originally posted by onthebit View Post
        I would argue that - come visit our farm. Their lives are very peaceful on our carefully managed pastures and the beef we produce is excellent - ask our hundreds of customers. If you know what you are doing you do not have to feed them an unnatural diet to "fatten them up" and put good meat on them, nor does it require living in confinement. All in all if I had to be a food animal I would really hope to wind up on our farm.

        I am sure you do a fine job....however, I have delivered hay to more than one "organic" or "grass fed" farm were visitors were never allowed to be ....

        to see conditions that made me sick...and sorry for the animals....no worming,no grass to be "grass fed" upon...starved thin ewes and cows nursing calves and no grain could be fed them...

        hogs fed only on the spinklings of grain tossed in built up mounds of cow manure from the winter before....monstorus wicked practices...but "natural"... or so they claim....

        as to the taste...well,we have freezer fulls of our own meat....I'll stick with grain fed been there,done that....had to spit it out

        Tamara in TN
        Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
        I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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        • Originally posted by county View Post
          I have never understood the concept of " cow hay " and " horse hay " I've farmed in AZ. and Mn. all my life and we just have hay its fed to both our cattle and our horses. Same hay, same feilds, same way of putting it up. Why would I feed poor quality hay to either animal? Everyone I know with cattle have them to make money. You do not make money with livestock feeding poor quality food stuffs.

          True, but what a cow can stomach may send a horse into a humdinger of a colic! Back home some farmer bailed the grass on the shoulder of the road. Though not really bad, you know how people throw junk out of the window...my dad assured me, cows could deal with it just fine...but a horse ought never to be fed that stuff...it's the beauty of a cow: you can make tasty meat out of less than perfect feed! Only goats are better!

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            Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
            Slaughter plants kill to meet the demand for meat in europe, correct?


            oh no! only about 10% of slaughtered horses make the EU standards for people food...one carcass bruise (from injection or poor handling or over crowding) renders the entire carcass unedible for people to eat...

            there is in fact a whole industy with specialty packing houses devoted horse meat for feeding exotic big cats and wolves in both zoos and private collections....

            Tamara in TN

            Certainly more than 10% of US horse meat is being exported for human consumption so if it isn’t going to the EU then where?

            The three largest slaughter plants (only commercial ones I know of) export far more meat for human consumption than zoos.

            "According to affidavits from company executives, Dallas Crown Inc. in
            Kaufman exports 4,000 tons of horse meat for human consumption, and
            sells 750 tons to U.S. zoos. Beltex Corp. in Fort Worth exports 5,000
            tons and sells 1,000 tons to zoos. Cavel International Inc. in DeKalb,
            Ill., exports 8,000 tons." (Gillman, Dallas Morning News, 3/14/06)
            No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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            • Originally posted by mairzeadoats View Post
              Second, for the current situation I would refer you to this board, specifically the article in the OP.
              But that article is from The Horse, and we've already established it may not be unbiased. I was hoping for other resources.

              Wasn't trying to say you're wrong. Just looking for sources so I can research it further.

              I'm glad your rescue is doing so well. Others frequently post pleas here to purchase one horse or another because their rescues can't take on any more. Or post about those they weren't able to save.
              There are always some we can't save, especially with how fast the killbuyers can swoop them up. Some horses only have that one chance at once auction barm before they're forever lost into the slaughter system.

              Go read petabuse.com to see the abandonments and siezed horses.
              But there are abandoned and siezed animals of all species, not just horses. You'll find people doing this to dogs all the time... it's not a function of Kibbles-n-Bits prices. It's just that some people are uncaring @#$@#$ who value money over all else.

              over on the breeder's forum, it wasn't long ago that someone rescued a weanling (actually a suckling) from the kill buyer for $65. That's where horse prices are. A friend of mine out west told me recently that she can pick up a serviceably sound riding horse at auction now for $65.
              Which begs the question why are people still breeding, especially in the same large numbers as years ago?

              Why aren't we bothered when people brag they have every mare on their farm pregnant?

              Or the breeders who brag that they offer super-cheap foals to the public so that "the non rich can afford to buy a horse"?

              The $65 horses are coming from somewhere.

              I think we agree there is a problem in the horse community, but I'm not seeing it as a "high hay price this winter" problem. I'm seeing it as more of a greed, poor planning, and lack of responsibility. It's the same mindset that gives us puppy mills, and there are still people who buy their next puppy from the petshop (thereby supporting puppymills). I'm down the road from Lancaster County where soem of the Amish and others have realized they can make good money on their farm by mass-breeding purebred dogs.

              I see a lot of similarities between the reckless overbreeding & throwing away of dogs and horses. I've got to wonder if the AAEP expanded their membership to include pets, would they next be testifying in front of Congress that Beltex should expand to include a dog slaughter line for their hungry Asian customers?
              Veterinarians for Equine Welfare

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              • So tell me May S do you have an income because of greed? Or is it OK as long as that income is one you approve of?
                Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                • Originally posted by MayS View Post
                  But there are abandoned and siezed animals of all species, not just horses. You'll find people doing this to dogs all the time... it's not a function of Kibbles-n-Bits prices. It's just that some people are uncaring @#$@#$ who value money over all else.
                  Regardless of whether petabuse.com includes other animals, they've been tracking abandonment (as well as other abuses) for years so are a possible source of numbers. Have their reports of horse abandonment been on the rise over, say, the last 5 years?

                  We essentially agree, especially the part about so many people being uncaring, irresponsible $*#%$#s!

                  But I do believe that abandonment increases when the economy hits the skids. Back in the 80s, when the economy sucked big fat lemons, I witnessed it and read about it. I don't have hard stats or any data sources -- only my own memory...and my now 21 year old arab gelding that I rescued from serious neglect.

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                  • Originally posted by MSP View Post
                    Certainly more than 10% of US horse meat is being exported for human consumption so if it isn’t going to the EU then where?

                    The three largest slaughter plants (only commercial ones I know of) export far more meat for human consumption than zoos.

                    "According to affidavits from company executives, Dallas Crown Inc. in
                    Kaufman exports 4,000 tons of horse meat for human consumption, and
                    sells 750 tons to U.S. zoos. Beltex Corp. in Fort Worth exports 5,000
                    tons and sells 1,000 tons to zoos. Cavel International Inc. in DeKalb,
                    Ill., exports 8,000 tons." (Gillman, Dallas Morning News, 3/14/06)
                    hello...

                    we are putting up the tree right now but here are some math numbers just off the top of my head....please double check them for me,as I suck at math

                    we are told 90,000 horses are slaughtered in <x> year....
                    we will assume 1000 pound animals so we have
                    90,000 x 1000 =90,000,000 pounds liveweight animals
                    90,000,000 x .60 (this will be a generous dressed carcass percentage)=
                    54,000,000 pounds dressed weight

                    54,000,000 /2000 (back to tons not pounds) = 27,000 tons of dressed carcasses

                    27,000 tons - 9000 (TX human only plant exports) = 18,000 tons remaining...(Cavel is now rebuilt and back online ?? I do not keep up w/these things?? but I will go to the time Cavel was in ashes )

                    Mexico imports in 2003 were 5509 tons (1706 from the usa) japan says 20% of it's totals 8835 are from the usa (1767) and russia as well imports...that leaves about 5,527 tons available for EU countries...we should also remember that there are number of companies allowed to ship horsemeat carcasses and pieces (Cavalier in VA being one) to any place they please...

                    we are often told that all the horses killed in these places are eaten by the EU...we forget that zoo,sanctuaries,private collectors who keep carnvories use this as well....as do rendering plants ((which is what I recall as a child the Cavalier Shipping Company buying in specific))...the numbers above translated back to live horse numbers would indicate about 36,000 horses make zoo or rendering plant carcasses....

                    the EU requires tests for trich and no hormones (which is why our beef imports have fallen so badly the feedlots here like Ral-grow in the heifers) as well as no meds and no carcass bruising....

                    while it may very well be that the perfect specimans wander in to the TX plants they are generally grown and fattened specifically for that trip with order buyers across the areas.....with EU regs in mind...and according to EU regs horses sent to them must be killed on floors cleaned after non EU horses are finished....they will NOT ship a horse to the EU w/o proof of no medication....they cannot...

                    mexico does not require these things and it was a mexican carcass that set off the trich alarms in belgium years ago....now,I'm for what ever a person believes in and makes them happy as long as it's kept civil and no body gets their barn burnt down ....but kinda like in reading the Good Book....make sure you have read the passsge in question and make up your own mind....

                    back to the tree !!!

                    Tamara in TN
                    Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                    I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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