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High Hay Costs Push Up Cases of Horse Abandonment

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  • #21
    No flames here, onthebit! I know you speak the truth!

    I have tried to get a local farmer, whom I know and really like, to grow more hay. He's grows decent hay and does a good job but when I approached him about growing more (different kind of) hay he was resistant. He has said that he has trouble getting good help to bring in the hay he grows now--no one seems to wants to work that hard!!!! No one seems to want to work very hard in this country anymore.... (Also donning a flamesuit! ) Maybe we're going to have to go out and help these guys harvest our hay if we want any!!!!

    But WA--we're being told over and over again that our economy is strong! I say it just depends on what end of the economy you are on!!! If you're at the top, sure you think it's strong....
    "Don't blame Hogg or the other teens. The adults are supposed to know better. If only we could find any." ~Tom Nichols, professor of national security affairs at the Naval War College~

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    • #22
      Hay prices...sigh...we get our hay from Central Oregon, as western WA/OR hay is a quality crapshoot. I paid $180/ton for Eastern grass in June, now my hay dealer is charging $215/ton and expects to sell whatever he can scrounged out of E/OR for $300/ton by March!! I know they lost their first and some of the 4th cuttings of alfalfa. Coarse stem alfalfa is going for $190/ton right now at my dealer.

      My neighbors have 100 acres, and could easily farm it for hay...but they don't. They do cut "hay" off it to feed their horses, but it is just native grasses, weeds, tansy and blackberries cut in late July--mind you, no fertilizer or irrigation--and baled. Lovely... A cow would starve on this (and we watched their herd do just that the first winter we lived next door..so sad!) We've reported them to AC, believe me. (I have pics of the starving horses on my webshots).

      People used to farm hay in my county, but now, it is wall-to-wall subdivisions. As onthebit said, development and "farmettes" are spelling the end of farming. I hear ya. No large acreage goes un-divided around here!

      Abandonment or flat out neglect/abuse will rise this year, I predict, due to all the causes stated so far. Hay is so expensive, and hey, the "grass" is green in Western WA year round, so they must be able to live off it, right??
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      • #23
        Originally posted by county View Post
        Hay here is very plentiful and cheap more and more farmers are raising more hay and less corn. I can buy nice round bales of Brome/Orchard grass for $30 to $40 a ton at harvest time. We raise pretty much all our own hay but do buy some squares we just bought 500 squares bales of Alfalfa for $1.75 a bale average is 50 lbs.
        County - I want to live where you live..down here alfalfa is between 10 and 15 a bale for 85 lb bales. Coastal is running from 4.00 for semi good to 8.00 for ok to 10 to real good.

        We won't discuss cow hay...but even that has gone up significantly because horse owners are having to buy that to feed their horses.

        I built a hay shed because I was tired of trying to haul and find hay..I can store about 400 to 450 bales at one time, my wonderful hay man stores the remainder for me and I pick it up in 150 bale lots. I try to remove all hay from his barn by February and so it works out for both of us. He knows he will have a set price for his hay and it will sell quickly and I know I have hay year round. It cost me 3,000 last year to build that hay shed and it has been the best money I could have spent - one thing though - wish I had made it bigger - lol..did all the labor myself with the help of the SO and two teenage boys..and paid the boys about 300.00 each for their help and the rest was for materials. It looks great - this summer I am pouring a concrete floor and adding rolling doors to it and then it should be completed.

        I HATE hunting hay because I worry so much about years where there isn't any like this one...this has given me great piece of mind!

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        • #24
          Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
          I absolutely do NOT believe it's just the cost of hay. There are many parts of the USA (like mine) where the economy is REALLY bad right now. IMO that is far more likely to account for abandonment than just a $20 increase in hay costs.
          I agree 100% . The economy in MI is so bad, people are giving away horses left and right. Hay prices have remained reasonable and steady for the past few years, but that doesn't help people who can't find decent jobs. I have hauled abandoned horses for local animal control in the past and have the feeling I'll be doing it again.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by Cherry View Post
            but when I approached him about growing more (different kind of) hay he was resistant. He has said that he has trouble getting good help to bring in the hay he grows now--no one seems to wants to work that hard!!!! No one seems to want to work very hard in this country anymore.... (Also donning a flamesuit! ) Maybe we're going to have to go out and help these guys harvest our hay if we want any!!!!
            That's a problem around here, too (midwest). I see two trends: 1. People producing large quantities of squares using lots of specialized machinery (modified bobcats loading tractor trailers in the field), for an increased cost of 25-30% per bale. And, 2. just round baling everything.

            In both cases, it's driven by a shortage of young, strong men who'll do hard, itchy work for pennies a bale. The first group of haymakers is running things as a business on thousands of acres, the second group is mainly small-time farmers who have been making hay for decades and who're converting to 'cattle rounds' (and round bale prices) rather than going out of the hay business altogether.

            I'm stuffing my fingers in my ears and singing "la la la" instead of thinking about the part where most of these guys are in their 60's and 70's and will have to stop even making hay via machinery soon.
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              #26
              How can you blame it on farmettes? We don’t set the price of land! If I could have afforded a 40 acre lot and grow my own hay I would have!

              Take a look at the city near you! How many empty building, un-used lots? Then look at how much development you have in the suburbs. Look at how far out the developments are pushing into farm country.

              What perhaps is happening is the cost of horse ownership is on the rise and maybe some day the average person will be priced out.
              No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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              • #27
                MSP, you are preaching to the choir here. My farm was surrounded by other farms until this year. Now it will have 3 new subdivisions and a golf course, and an acre of land on this road is going to cost you $50,000 or more. You can't buy land at those prices for any type of agricultural enterprise unless you want Southern CA board prices or pay a heck of a lot more for hay. But it doesn't change the fact that we are contributing to taking land out of production just as others are.

                No where did I suggest anyone not own a horse on whatever acreage they can afford did I? Just pointing out a fact that we do contribute to the problems in certain ways. I wish there was an ideal solution, and I'm sure we would all participate in it.
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                • #28
                  hay, hay all around

                  It must depend on the part of the country you are in. I'm here in upstate NY and I couldn't GIVE away 22 acres of standing hay. We tried for 5 years in a row. Now it hasn't been hayed in so long that it would have to be plowed and reseeded. Even the beef cows wouldn't eat this stuff it's so full of weeds now. Too bad because they were beautiful hay fields when we bought the place-tim/alfalfa/treefoil mix.
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by onthebit View Post
                    MSP, you are preaching to the choir here. My farm was surrounded by other farms until this year. Now it will have 3 new subdivisions and a golf course, and an acre of land on this road is going to cost you $50,000 or more. You can't buy land at those prices for any type of agricultural enterprise unless you want Southern CA board prices or pay a heck of a lot more for hay. But it doesn't change the fact that we are contributing to taking land out of production just as others are.

                    No where did I suggest anyone not own a horse on whatever acreage they can afford did I? Just pointing out a fact that we do contribute to the problems in certain ways. I wish there was an ideal solution, and I'm sure we would all participate in it.
                    Point taken but I don’t think we can be to blame if we are not in control of the problem. It is heart breaking to watch! There is 42.5 acres behind me and we have contacted the owner basically begging to buy land that adjoins our property. We just know he will sell to developers!
                    No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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                    • #30
                      Its like that here also IndysMom lots of land isn't hayed or planted to crops there just way more then people need. Pasture is even more so that way I could easily find 1500 acres of pasture just in this township that sits empty.
                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                      • #31
                        People are in control of the situation of development. Don't buy, developers will not develope what does not sell.
                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                          #32
                          The people doing the buying don’t give a rat about horse owners or land use. They just want their house in the country (yah right) jammed into a development with 90 other houses with their tiny fenced in back yard on a cul-de-sac!

                          And then there are those that can’t afford to pay for over price acreage and have to live with what they can afford.
                          No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by IndysMom View Post
                            It must depend on the part of the country you are in. I'm here in upstate NY and I couldn't GIVE away 22 acres of standing hay. We tried for 5 years in a row. Now it hasn't been hayed in so long that it would have to be plowed and reseeded. Even the beef cows wouldn't eat this stuff it's so full of weeds now. Too bad because they were beautiful hay fields when we bought the place-tim/alfalfa/treefoil mix.
                            When I lived in NH I fenced in my neighbors field and pastured my horses there. That may be an option for you.

                            We used to have problems some times getting people to cut the hay. I think it is the cost of repairing equipment, driving in an unknown field and such.
                            Last edited by MSP; Dec. 1, 2006, 02:49 PM.
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Cherry View Post
                              But WA--we're being told over and over again that our economy is strong! I say it just depends on what end of the economy you are on!!! If you're at the top, sure you think it's strong....
                              That is the most absurd statement I've ever read.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by sidepasser View Post
                                County - I want to live where you live..down here alfalfa is between 10 and 15 a bale for 85 lb bales. Coastal is running from 4.00 for semi good to 8.00 for ok to 10 to real good.

                                We won't discuss cow hay...but even that has gone up significantly because horse owners are having to buy that to feed their horses.
                                no...this summer it cost the same amount of diesel fuel to run a tractor over a field of "cow" hay as it did "horse" hay or "dairy" hay or "alpaca" hay....and with farm diesel jumping almost 40cents over nite and still not have come down....well the cost for even the yuckiest stuff must go up...

                                it has nothing to do with horse people buying it and being charged more because they were "horse" people...it is about a $30 a ton increase in fuel per ton of production from seed to harvest....lots of farmers decided not to fertilize this year as well....saving both fertilizer and farm tractor costs....

                                the results are neighboring/local fields I have not seen in a decade even bushhogged have been cut for hay....and then on the regrowth the fields left farrow are now are now being stockpiled with feeder cattle since the bottom dropped out last month.....cut the crap off and bale it and let feeders eat the good stuff underneath....

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by onthebit View Post
                                  Donning flamesuit: Bring the torches out and flame away!
                                  It's unfortunate that you feel you have to put on the flamesuit to make a statement like this. It may not be popular, but there is truth to it and you've stated it very politely.

                                  I'm getting to the point where I'm no longer surprised when I get a call from someone wanting help with their pasture/farm management and I find they have 2-3x the number of horses as the property can handle, let alone handle well. There are more people getting into horse ownership without knowing what they're getting into ahead of time. One of the reasons we're trying to foster more education and training programs.

                                  We love horses, but we have to love them responsibly. Taking on more than you (or your property) can handle usually doesn't do good in the long run.
                                  Dr. Shea Porr
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                                  • #37
                                    it's not just about the hay in the fields

                                    Originally posted by IndysMom View Post
                                    It must depend on the part of the country you are in. I'm here in upstate NY and I couldn't GIVE away 22 acres of standing hay. We tried for 5 years in a row. Now it hasn't been hayed in so long that it would have to be plowed and reseeded. Even the beef cows wouldn't eat this stuff it's so full of weeds now. Too bad because they were beautiful hay fields when we bought the place-tim/alfalfa/treefoil mix.

                                    I wonder if I may use your example to illustrate a point ???

                                    Tamara in TN
                                    Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                    I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by MSP View Post
                                      if I stock pile the hay it gets brown and dusty.
                                      I'm not sure I understand this concept. Hay is made in the summer, so somebody is stock piling the hay.

                                      The last of my 2005 hay was still in the barn when my 2006 delivery came in, and it was still lovely. Green and fresh.

                                      I built so that I could have storage. I love having my hay needs satisfied without stressing about it.

                                      Hay is more expensive this year, but fuel prices drove that up. As for county and his frozen land of cheap hay, he can have it . I visited MN over New Year's in 2005 and that is one COLD place.

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                                      • #39
                                        I feel rather lucky, my round bales are 1100 lbs or so, and they are 18 to 21/ bale
                                        even with inexpensive hay, horses are still underfed and abandoned.
                                        It is the mindset of the people.

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                                        • #40
                                          [QUOTE=SaddleFitterVA;2033596]I'm not sure I understand this concept. Hay is made in the summer, so somebody is stock piling the hay.

                                          The last of my 2005 hay was still in the barn when my 2006 delivery came in, and it was still lovely. Green and fresh.

                                          [QUOTE]

                                          hay can be stored in a dark dry non humid place safely for years....it will take five years for it to lose even one protein point... however given the surrounding conditions it can bleach and yellow in the sun and pick up dusts and debris from wind and barn sweepings or leaf blowers and a good bit of the vitamin A declines in the first year as well ....it's all about the storage protocols....

                                          Tamara in TN
                                          Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                          I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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