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    #21
    Originally posted by Gloria View Post
    Many things considered common sense in horse world is common sense. Many things considered common sense in horse world is actually old wife's tale. How do you know which one is common sense and which one is old wife's tale, unless someone does an objective study of it?
    Well I'd say anyone that is really around horses will know that a horse pays attention to alot of things. There are very sensitive animals and have to be become of their flight or fight reflex. Horses watch us, we know this. Horses move away from pressure, we know this. Some horses are butts and just won't move, we also know this An old wives tale to me would be something like..... Putting garlic in the food will keep the flies from biting them. Now thats something to research It would be good to know and would save us a lot of money on fly sprays
    Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

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    • #22
      My whole opinion was that there are so many other things that we don't know about horses to do a study on which person they go up to is more trivial to the big unknown things.
      Well, in order to properly study those "big unknown things," they first need to scientifically establish the basics. They may have started out by discussing a more complicated behavior habit or issue that depended on the "trivial" idea...but were unable to proceed because "everybody knows that" is not a citation on which to base a research paper.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by rabicon View Post
        Horses move away from pressure, we know this.
        This is actually a learned behavior that we train into them. A horses natural instinct is to lean into pressure. This is because if they are attacked in the wild, leaning away from the pressure it will create more damage whereas if you go to the pressure you still have a fighting chance (think lion's teeth in your flank). Go up to any greenie who has not had ground work and press into his flank. His response will be to lean into the pressure and not move away from it.

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          #24
          See I guess common sense isn't always common sense I just showed that Anyways, I see the other points now and it opened my eyes up to another world of doing these studies.
          Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

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          • #25
            Originally posted by rabicon View Post
            See I guess common sense isn't always common sense I just showed that Anyways, I see the other points now and it opened my eyes up to another world of doing these studies.

            ditto!

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            • #26
              Does the fact that the horses were baited with treats not change how they would react? If they ignore you before, they sure won't after they've been given treats-and the best chance for treats is from the person looking at you-any horse knows THAT one.

              I know the study said they gave the horses treats to keep them interested, but that in itself will effect the behavior. I'm no behaviorist, but that part is messin' with my "horse sense".

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              • #27
                The treats did confuse things, but I think otherwise the horses would have just ignored them all together. They were paying attention to when humans were paying attention in case that might lead to a treat.

                I think people have to keep in mind that whether its a public school or a private school, there is very little money on equine research. You have to do some research that can be quantified to get your degree. The professors have to do research to keep their jobs.

                Its pretty hard to design a research study that uses no money and very little time. This was informative and affordable. Can you imagine having to design a study that is publish worthy with just a few horses and a few of your friends? It ain't fun.


                The goats freak me out too if I spend too much time thinking about them. They KNOW what we intend to do and they KNOW how to act just like horses or cows or whatever they are kept with. They adapt their behavior to whatever species they get thrown in with and know ears back means watch out even before they have ever been kicked. How do they know all that! Its not innate.

                Now, my dog knows exactly what I am thinking and he still wont leave me alone.

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                • #28
                  There's very little money for equine research - and almost NONE for any kind of equine behavioral research. I didn't get a grant to do either of my studies (imprint training, clicker training). I had to work part time as a lab-tech for my advisor to get through grad. school - no fellowship or assistantship here!


                  Originally posted by equinelaw View Post
                  The treats did confuse things, but I think otherwise the horses would have just ignored them all together. They were paying attention to when humans were paying attention in case that might lead to a treat.

                  I think people have to keep in mind that whether its a public school or a private school, there is very little money on equine research. You have to do some research that can be quantified to get your degree. The professors have to do research to keep their jobs.

                  Its pretty hard to design a research study that uses no money and very little time. This was informative and affordable. Can you imagine having to design a study that is publish worthy with just a few horses and a few of your friends? It ain't fun.


                  The goats freak me out too if I spend too much time thinking about them. They KNOW what we intend to do and they KNOW how to act just like horses or cows or whatever they are kept with. They adapt their behavior to whatever species they get thrown in with and know ears back means watch out even before they have ever been kicked. How do they know all that! Its not innate.

                  Now, my dog knows exactly what I am thinking and he still wont leave me alone.
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                  • #29
                    Well, I had to walk uphill both ways in the snow to get to the research barn!

                    I actually got $1,500 for the entire department. I used it to build a $15,000 piece of equipment. But it might have been "useful" research if the darn thing ever worked.

                    I was not allowed to raise money since that would compete with raising money for the equestrian team. *sigh*.

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                      #30
                      It really sucks that they don't give more grants and research money (donations etc...) to research more on horses. Horses are such delicate animals and so many things we don't know about them. It would be nice to understand more of the way they work.
                      Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by rabicon View Post
                        Well I'd say anyone that is really around horses will know that a horse pays attention to alot of things. There are very sensitive animals and have to be become of their flight or fight reflex. Horses watch us, we know this. Horses move away from pressure, we know this. Some horses are butts and just won't move, we also know this An old wives tale to me would be something like..... Putting garlic in the food will keep the flies from biting them. Now thats something to research It would be good to know and would save us a lot of money on fly sprays

                        It used to be common sense that the earth was flat and the sun circled around us. It used to be common sense in certain regions that pregnant mares should not be allowed to gain weight because there is more room outside than inside for the foal to grow.

                        I'm not saying what we know about horses are not common sense. It is just that many times what we assume common sense may not be true at all. To me, any study about horses are valuable.

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