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Why do they always want to ride??? a small vent

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  • #41
    Barn help wants to ride

    I usualy take this as a positive sign, but depending on the riding ability/experience of the person easy or hard to arrange.
    So I'd say it depends on just how good she is as barn help.
    The people who who go the extra mile for me I go the extra mile for them. I provide a horse and an instructor, but if tey are not good dependable reliable help then I don't.
    I do tell them up front that it is a privelege and must be earned. But it really helps you bra help feel part of the team if they get to have a few priveleges.
    It's easier for me in one way, I have a theraputic program in the barn and can always send them over to the that instuctor if they need basic instructions.
    I also keep an old QH arond who is the guest horse, he is a real packer so I can usually let folks ride when they want to.
    It does do wonders for barn morale.
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    • #42
      Jeez, mr

      maybe you didn't know it, but you're supposed to keep some old schoolie around your barn for the help! My word! I'm with Fluffie and Night Song. These people need to get a grip and realize that riding at a barn doesn't necessarily involve getting "free rein" with the horses! If I could not ride, I would either ask my trainer to ask a boarder or other person to ride my horse or to ride it herself! I would not foresee that "the staff" and their SOs would randomly be riding my horses. I can't believe some of these responses! Maybe you should let her husband ride one of your new OTTBs! lol!!!! People - these horses have owners! The board, etc. is not paid so that they can be publicly accessed! A private barn is just that! A private barn. Flame away if you like, but there better not be someone I don't know on one of my horses! Yes, it might be different if someone on the staff were talented and hired to assist the trainer, but random barn staff? No way! and before you flame? - my daughter and I are barn staff!
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      • #43
        I am always depressed by the tone of these types of threads.

        I have a very "fancy" horse. I will occasionally let people who are capable (meaning will not hurt themselves or the horse) and with supervision from the trainer ride him. This includes friends of mine and barn staff. If my trainer came to me and asked could she give a "pony ride" as a thank you to a very lovely employee or SO on him I would say yes to that too.

        In the past, before I owned my horse, I have experienced the generosity of others who let me ride their horses. Especially really fabulous ones from whom I learned a lot. I always try to remember this.

        I do understand that some horses can't tolerate a new/unschooled rider but plenty can happily walk someone around for a half-hour with no ill effects. Obviously, everyone has the right to make decisions for their own situation. Just feeling the lack of generoisity in spirit as much as anything these days in our society.

        I guess it would be easier to hear if people wrote in "I wish I could let other people ride my horses but I'm not comfortable with it" instead of "I can't believe they want to ride, how dare they, how annoying, the horse is MINE"

        Sorry to vent back ... (and yes the arguing from the employee is not good)

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        • #44
          It's okay to ask, NEVER okay to argue.

          However, your tone suggested that you were just appalled that the help would ask to ride - which kind of put me off. They're horses, we ride them. She probably didn't know it was a $40K sale horse owned by a lawyer. Okay, so explain that. If she continues to argue, then you can fire her. But the tone you took was really quite harsh - we all want to be able to ride. A lot of us have probably had to ask, at some point or another, if we can ride if there's something available. They're wonderful, beautiful animals and you should see it as a COMPLIMENT to the beautiful horses in your barn rather then as something so offensive.
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            #45
            ok guys, been gone all day horse shopping.....like I said a small vent, one of the things I love about Coth. You can do that here and get both sides of the coin. I have learned alot and gained much insight from here.

            I love this girl's work ethic, but am a little concerned about her casual-ness to MY liabillities. Her husband is a dead beginner, and the only reason she wanted the sales horse is because he is 17.2. He also happens to be the one who is lame from the white line issue at the moment. (he came to me with it, i am trying to fix it)

            She lets her three year old little girl wander the farm and it scares the crap outta me...when I bring it up, she says :"I wont sue you" And when the littel girl went in the barn refrigerator and squeezed out all of the west nile vaccine, she paid for it right away. But sheesh!!!!!!!!
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            • #46
              uhhhhh she just asked, lighten up all you have to do is say "no" as politely as she asked and it's over. If ya don't want to be asked make it clear up front under what circumstances rides will and won't be allowed. I know barn help that were told they would be given lessons, then they took it upon themselves to hop on the greenest lesson horse, kept for advanced riders only, when no one was around, then was dumb enough to talk about it.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by mroades View Post
                ok guys, been gone all day horse shopping.....like I said a small vent, one of the things I love about Coth. You can do that here and get both sides of the coin. I have learned alot and gained much insight from here.

                I love this girl's work ethic, but am a little concerned about her casual-ness to MY liabillities. Her husband is a dead beginner, and the only reason she wanted the sales horse is because he is 17.2. He also happens to be the one who is lame from the white line issue at the moment. (he came to me with it, i am trying to fix it)

                She lets her three year old little girl wander the farm and it scares the crap outta me...when I bring it up, she says :"I wont sue you" And when the littel girl went in the barn refrigerator and squeezed out all of the west nile vaccine, she paid for it right away. But sheesh!!!!!!!!

                Yikes!!! Letting a 3 yr old wander around unattended would upset me just a little but more than asking about riding a horse!
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                • #48
                  If you don't want your personality crituqed, then I'd change your subject line. "Why do they always want to ride??"? I get the feeling like you feel like you're much better than her...a very condescending tone. Sorry, we can't all afford $$$$ horses, and for alot of us the way we got into horses was through UNDERSTANDING and KIND people that taught us. Maybe if you explained to her WHY she can't ride him (lameness, sensitivity, the fact that you don't own him, etc.) it'd help a bit more?


                  WHY DO THEY ALWAYS WANT TO RIDE? The same reason you do. Could you imagine being around horses all day and not itch to get on one of them?
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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by appaloosalady View Post
                    Yikes!!! Letting a 3 yr old wander around unattended would upset me just a little but more than asking about riding a horse!
                    Same.

                    This does not really sound like the ideal employee to me, to be honest.
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                    • #50
                      I know a bunch of lawyers in Beaufort. Or is it savannah?

                      Anyway, if she argues with you that's no good. I would tell her not to bring her preschooler to the barn where she can't be supervised. It's DANGEROUS. And can get very expensive, my five year old snuck in the barn and made a 'potion' out of my durn cactus fly spray concentrate and a bottle of kopertox. That was an almost sixty dollar bucket of toxic stew. Not good. I'm glad it's finally chilly so hopefully she'll stay in the car and watch movies. Anyway, I guess my point is letting the child wander around while her mom cleans stalls could be really dangerous. Ponds, water troughs. The stuff of nightmares.

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                      • #51
                        seeyalou, I bet that was one funny colored child in the end, yechhhh, kopertox.

                        mroades, it sounds like you need to have a discussion with her about other things rather then asking a simple question, like not supervising her kid, which isn't acceptable. Did she *know* that the $40K sale horse was a $40K sale horse that was lame and belonged to someone else?


                        WHY DO THEY ALWAYS WANT TO RIDE? The same reason you do. Could you imagine being around horses all day and not itch to get on one of them?
                        Of course, of course I know I would!
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                        • #52
                          For those of you missing the fountain of generosity, look at it from the other side (the dark side, if you will).

                          I was given (by parents) a horse. He was terribly underweight and very badly trained/abused. I spent *years* of darn hard work, nights spent crying, nights spent crippled, and my own money to support what I wanted more than anything else in the world. I was at the barn X-mas Eve to finish off a 2-week course of 2xday penicillin shots that I gave myself. I hand walked that horse for 7 months and then spent the next 2 months only walking under saddle because he ripped part of his hoof off. I, my trainers, and a helluva lot of time/work took him from a runaway to a state champ. hunter. Then I stood and ran water/sponged with alcohol while he panted like a dog when he couldn't sweat. I sat on a tack trunk, writing essays for college while waiting for my vet because horse suddenly became very ill, spiking a fever of 106 for a week, then having a bad reaction to the penicillin he became allergic to. I watched as he refused to eat for 2 weeks, losing over 200 lbs. in 7 days (and he was barely a good weight to begin). Now he is crippled fairly well at age 22.

                          Never tell me that I *owe* people the right to harass him. Instead, I owe him to watch over his wellbeing first. I have let others ride him, but they are people I know *well* and whose judgement I trust completely.

                          Just another side to a multi-facited coin.

                          Now, if you want the sob story about the other horse . . . .
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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by mroades View Post
                            ok guys, been gone all day horse shopping.....like I said a small vent, one of the things I love about Coth. You can do that here and get both sides of the coin. I have learned alot and gained much insight from here.

                            I love this girl's work ethic, but am a little concerned about her casual-ness to MY liabillities. Her husband is a dead beginner, and the only reason she wanted the sales horse is because he is 17.2. He also happens to be the one who is lame from the white line issue at the moment. (he came to me with it, i am trying to fix it)

                            She lets her three year old little girl wander the farm and it scares the crap outta me...when I bring it up, she says :"I wont sue you" And when the littel girl went in the barn refrigerator and squeezed out all of the west nile vaccine, she paid for it right away. But sheesh!!!!!!!!
                            This should freak you out. I hope you have a signed release from this person, at a minimum, but BTW a release sometimes is not enough to protect you in the event she or her child gets injured and sues. And her assurance that she won't sue doesn't mean much because (1) when something bad occurs, she might not be so friendly about it; and (2) even if she doesn't want to sue you, her insurance company will likely come after you regardless of whether she wants to participate in any suit. So get releases from everyone and make sure you have the appropriate insurance coverage.
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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by mroades View Post
                              She lets her three year old little girl wander the farm and it scares the crap outta me...when I bring it up, she says :"I wont sue you" And when the littel girl went in the barn refrigerator and squeezed out all of the west nile vaccine, she paid for it right away. But sheesh!!!!!!!!
                              Instead of approaching this from the liability standpoint (which SHOULd scare the crap out of you!!!) put it to your worker in terms of the little girl getting hurt. For instance, I'm SURE you have poisons in your barn refrigerator, and toddlers are NOTORIOUS for putting everything in their mouths. Not to mention all that poo...

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by Amber_M View Post
                                If you don't want your personality crituqed, then I'd change your subject line. "Why do they always want to ride??"? I get the feeling like you feel like you're much better than her...a very condescending tone. Sorry, we can't all afford $$$$ horses, and for alot of us the way we got into horses was through UNDERSTANDING and KIND people that taught us. Maybe if you explained to her WHY she can't ride him (lameness, sensitivity, the fact that you don't own him, etc.) it'd help a bit more?


                                WHY DO THEY ALWAYS WANT TO RIDE? The same reason you do. Could you imagine being around horses all day and not itch to get on one of them?
                                I don't think that the OP thinks she's better than anyone. I kind of got the feeling that "they" was everybody. I know that's how I feel a lot of days, when I get random people (barn kids, barn parents, co-workers) asking if they can ride my horses. Call me selfish, but I look out for my horses' well-being first - I'm not going to let Joe Shmoe ride my horses. I don't owe that to anybody. ETA: One time, the barn manager got on my very green horse without my consent nor knowledge. She was very promptly bucked off headfirst on to the ground. I had already told her that NO, it was not ok. She learned the hard way, I suppose.

                                As to asking to ride - I was barn help for a long time - and I was NEVER presumptuous enough to ask if I could ride the sales horses, and I wouldn't have DREAMED of asking to ride a client's horse. I earned the right to do both of those things by being attentive, and generally being the best horsewoman I could be. Then, the trainer came to ME and asked me to ride, as did a fair number of barn clients. When I got hired all I asked was "will there be riding as part of the job?" Up front I let the trainer know I was interested - but I didn't push my luck.
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                                • #56
                                  You know what, she probably works for you because she loves horses and wants to ride. There may not be anything appropriate for her to ride, but can you not just politely say that the horses are not safe (if that is the case), or, jee, maybe give her lesson on one of the quieter sales horses? Mucking stalls is not a particularly fun job, and lucky you for finding someone to help. Would it damage the horses if someone got on and walked around the ring a couple of times? Really? I mean, they are sales horses, people will be trying them out who ride at different abilities.

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                                  • #57
                                    MRhoades- I understand your feelings, but how many times have people posted on here that "they can't afford to ride" and everyone posted back to "get a job working with horses and see if the barn owner will let you"? She may just love the horses so much and this may be her way of getting her husband to love them too. Unfortunately, you don't have the right kinds of horses for them to "learn" on. As for the 3 years old... that scares me too. I am a parent and mine was NEVER in the barn at that age unless I could give him 110% of my attention and he always had on a helmet. Always.

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                                    • #58
                                      Here's a thought-
                                      If she is still with you at Christmas, why not get her a gift certificate for a riding lesson, trail ride, whatever, at some local lesson type barn?

                                      I think a lot of non-horse people have no clue that you just don't ask to ride people's horses- it isn't really worth getting upset over, and sometimes just being prepared with a nice excuse "I'm sorry when I take on sales horses, I agree that I am the only one at the barn to ride it except bonafide buyer prospects, but I recommend XYZ barn to ride at. They are excellent and have many suitable horses"

                                      OR

                                      My horse is in training and needs to only be ridden by myself or trainer. I suggest signing up for some lessons at XYZ Barn if youwant to ride- they are great!

                                      People ask me all the time if they can come ride with me- I am normally either half leasing, taking lessons or schooling a friends horse and I generally offer to take a lesson with them if they aren't experienced.

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                                      • #59
                                        Did this lady use to work for me? Sweet lady, some horse knowledge, young child that would wander around the barn, and a burning desire to jump. I do have some school horses and really tried to teach her. It was torture!

                                        If you have anything suitable, I would say grit your teeth and give her some lunge lessons or something as a fringe benefit if she's a valuable worker. Absolutely no to the husband riding. A firm, "I'm sorry, these horses are privately owned." And really, you probably need to nix the "daycare" arrangements if you don't have a safe place for the child. If she's being paid to work, she needs to arrange for daycare for her child.

                                        I finally had to let my lady go. She had way too much personal baggage.
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                                        • #60
                                          OK so you let her ride the sale horse (supervised of course) it spooks and she falls off, breaks her arm/leg and then you have a law suit where not only YOU are the defendant but the OWNER of the horse who TRUSTED you to insure its well being is being named too! NEVER let them ride olther peoples horses. Never. I am sick of supplying horses for people who cant or wont afford them! DO what I did...BUY a horse for yourself! If the job description didnt involve riding and or lessons than her expectations are unreasonable and you (mroades) are absolutely correct to deny the employee a ride. PS I think this one worked for me too...except you forgot the not toilet trained three year olds poopy diaper in the garbage can in the veiwing room !!! OMG.....THAT was nasty...
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