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Why do they always want to ride??? a small vent

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  • #21
    A LOT of people really don't understand the difference between a "fancy sale horse" and an "old choolie/trail horse". This is particularly true if they are allowed to care for the horse from the ground or shovel its manure.

    I think a kind response of:
    1) I don't own this horse so I can't let you ride it.
    2) Some horses need to be ridden by people of a certain riding ability or else the person might get hurt. I don't want to risk that happening to you or your husband.
    3) I do appreciate how you help out taking care of these horses and if I had something appropriate and was able to I would let you/your husband ride.
    4) If I know someone who has a suitable horse and is looking for a rider I will let you know.

    ALSO THE REASON SHE MIGHT BE GOOD HELP IS THE SAME REASON SHE WANTS TO RIDE ... LOVES HORSES!!!
    Last edited by west5; Nov. 19, 2006, 10:43 AM. Reason: one last thought

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    • #22
      If she argues the 'no" answer that is not good- but i do have to say that the horse being worth 40 grand and owned by an attorney should not matter- that horse could get just as messed up standing in his stall as he could being walked around the ring with her hubby on his back- and really- if the horse is worth that kind of money he is probably ensured anyway, right? give her the attorney's name and phone number and let her call and ask if she can ride- if the attorney agrees, have him call you... maybe she secretly has money and wants to buy him- what happens if she was wanting to try him out for purchase- what then? would you turn them down then??? Be careful how you judge people, it may come back to bite you. Just because she cleans stalls does not mean she can not ride....

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      • #23
        Um maybe "they" always ask because it's the only reason "they" took a job shoveling sh*t for what "you" can afford to pay.

        Getting to ride goes hand in hand with many, many barn jobs. In many cases, it's one of the perks offered...often the only one...that makes a dead-end, hard, low pay job worthwhile.

        She may not have realized the horse was $40K and owned by somebody else. BTW, when I was a barn manager (read manure-shoveler-in-chief) for an international competitor, I rode and trained the sales horses daily. It was a perk and the unpaid part of my job.

        On the other hand, refusing to accept "no" for an answer is a different story altogether. That one always ties me up in knots...

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        • #24
          give her the attorney's name and phone number and let her call and ask if she can ride- if the attorney agrees, have him call you...
          Oh, hell no! Can you imagine the reaction of most boarders (like 99.9% of them) if they got a call from someone employed at the barn asking if their husband can ride their horsie?

          Asking the OP if she could ride the horse = okay if done politely. Asking if the husband could ride it = iffy and borderline rude depending on how it was presented. Arguing about the husband riding someone else's horse = crossing the line.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by Luckydonkey View Post
            maybe she secretly has money and wants to buy him- what happens if she was wanting to try him out for purchase- what then? would you turn them down then??? Be careful how you judge people, it may come back to bite you. Just because she cleans stalls does not mean she can not ride....

            lol I am so glad I wasn't the only one who saw this. I was thinking how funny it would be if said stall mucker bought the $$$ horse. If she can AFFORD to work for peanuts who knows what else she can afford.

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            • #26
              Also in first post you never said she argued when you said no.

              That does change matters.

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              • #27
                No one has mentioned the insurance liability "thing"!! MY insurance wouldn't cover someone riding a horse that belonged to a third person. It's not being rude to feel that a barn employee is not entitled to ride your client's horses or your own. If I was paying for training on my horse, I'd be upset if anyone but the authorized trainer was riding it...and certainly not the husband of a stable worker. And NO one rides my personal horses! JMO
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by EponaRoan View Post
                  Oh, hell no! Can you imagine the reaction of most boarders (like 99.9% of them) if they got a call from someone employed at the barn asking if their husband can ride their horsie?
                  Then why should MRoades' reaction be any different? In fact she has no authority to allow someone else to ride the horse, unless the boarder has specifically told her that that would be okay.

                  Anyway, I don't think there is anything wrong with a barn worker asking politely if he/she could ride, but if the answer is no it is no. There are a lot of barns where horses need to be flatted by someone for exercise, and hence opportunities for people to ride.
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by mroades View Post
                    I have found wonderful barn help...a married mother of two who will work for what i can afford to pay her and takes pride in her work.....BUT......I do not have school horses and find it very annoying that she has no problem asking if her husband can ride the 40K sales horse!?!And now she wants to ride "anything I have got" uggh
                    Sorry, but I feel better just venting.....
                    I interviewed (as barn help) once at a farm that made it clear that they did not take boarders, including those of their help...apparently, people working for them always wanted to bring their horses with them as part of their pay. That wasn't a need for me, but I see how people who work in barns would want to do it, and it is a common practice.

                    In my experience, not so much for riding. I used to exercise the pony at a racing barn I worked with, but I didn't ride the race horses. At show and breeding barns, it didn't come up.
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                    • #30
                      I think the circumstances/manner in which she asked have a lot to do with it. There's a huge difference between saying, "Hey, I just want to let you know that I love to ride, and if it ever worked out, I'd love to ride one of your horses." vs. expecting to be allowed to ride AND asking to bring other people over to ride--esp. to ride other people's horses! The OP doesn't even own the horse in question.

                      When I was on bedrest during my pregancy a couple of acquaintances (beginner riders without their own horses) asked if they could "help me out" by riding my horses (two young WBs and my nice dressage horse) for me. I thanked them for the offer but said no. I didn't think their asking was presumptuous until I saw that they were a bit ticked that I said no. It seems to me that attitude is common among inexperienced riders--they don't get what the "big deal" is.
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                      • #31
                        Normally in the job interview, this topic is covered. Either the job includes riding, or it doesn't, or the possibility of riding is left to discretion of the BO...so what was it when you interviewed her?

                        Is her husband any good? I wouldn't assume that simply because the lady is a mother that her husband is necessarily a beginner rider out to get mileage on horses at the barn where his wife is employed. Maybe he can actually ride? And it might not seem obvious to your new employee at first how one person (mroades) can ride 12 full training horses each day. Maybe the lady was trying to offer a solution to a problem? There is probably more to this story....

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                        • #32
                          I seem to always get asked by visiting relatives or friends. NONE of which have riding experience. Yeah, OK, they've done "pay by the hour" trail rides.

                          My usual response is that I don't have a horse suitable for them. (Which I don't.) Of course they answer with "Oh, I know how to ride. I even managed to handle that big black stallion they put me on the last time until he threw me." (Read: Until he trotted and I fell off.)

                          I will put visiting kids up - with a helmet and lead them around the pasture though.

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                          • #33
                            I would set aside time to discuss this with her. I would tell her several things:

                            (1) Riding other people's horses is a privelege. This opportunity was neither given verbally nor given in her contract.
                            (2) The horses she wants to ride belong to clients. Thus, it is not up to you to decide if she may ride them, it is up to the owners. Perhaps tell her that these clients have specified that only you should ride them, regardless of the skill levels of others. Remind her that you have no horses of your own that would be suitable for her or her husband to ride.
                            (3) If she argues with your decision, remind her again that the opportunity was never offered. If she continues to argue, tell her that if she does not accept your decision on the issue, you might place her on a form of "probation", and that she is really good barn help, so you would not want to be forced to let her go because of this issue.


                            Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with her asking. If nobody ever asked for something, most people would not get very far. I would, however, have a serious problem with her arguing with your decision.
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                            • #34
                              Can her husband ride at all? Was riding discussed as part of employment compensation package?

                              She ARGUED when you said no?

                              I think the OP hired this worker to take care of the horses, not ride them, in a show barn. I know alot of workers say they understand they were not hired in a riding postion...but really think they should have access to riding because they work with the horses.

                              I have no problem with the fact she asked but have one with the fact she argued when told her hubby could not ride 40k sale horse.
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                              • #35
                                The fact that the owner is a lawyer is an easy out:

                                "I have a contract with the owner, who's a lawyer btw, that I and only I can ride these horses for training and selling purposes. If he ever found out that I let someone else on these $40K horses, I'd lose his business and he might sue me for breach of contract."

                                might be a small falsehood in the first part, but the result may be completely true even if it's a stretch.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by crosscreeksh View Post
                                  No one has mentioned the insurance liability "thing"!! MY insurance wouldn't cover someone riding a horse that belonged to a third person. It's not being rude to feel that a barn employee is not entitled to ride your client's horses or your own. If I was paying for training on my horse, I'd be upset if anyone but the authorized trainer was riding it...and certainly not the husband of a stable worker. And NO one rides my personal horses! JMO
                                  Well since she has sale horses, I would assume she would have insurance to cover people riding them....

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                                  • #37
                                    People who don't own horses tend to think of them like motorcycles; ANYONE can ride them and the onlly way you can damage them is to run them into a wall. they don't have ANY idea...

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by nightsong View Post
                                      People who don't own horses tend to think of them like motorcycles; ANYONE can ride them and the onlly way you can damage them is to run them into a wall. they don't have ANY idea...
                                      I would add that some people who own horses have the same impression.

                                      In addition, how is one to know if hubby (or the wife for that matter) can or can't ride? Take his or her word? hahaha Sticking hubby on the sale horse to find out doesn't seem like a brilliant idear.
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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by mroades View Post
                                        Jeez, I was venting, not asking to have my personality critiqued.
                                        I only have 12 stalls, all boarders that are in training with me and two sales horses. I do not have school horses...I thought it was ballsy of her to ask and then argue why I should let her husband ride the 40K sales horse that belongs to a lawyer!
                                        The word "argue" is what gets me in your court.

                                        I have a student who LOVES to ride my horse. However, she knows it is a priviledge and not a right and treats it accordingly. If she ever argued with me about it, it would never happen again.
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                                        • #40
                                          One thing I have seen an issue with at most barns is the fact that many of the horses in training or show horses in a barn will get messed up if another rider or a variety of riders, work the horses. Not everyone rides the same.
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