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  • #41
    Gans - I've got one. He has recieved "8's" on gaits from dressage judges. My dressage trainer (a licensed judge and USDF gold medalist) approves of him, spots and all. He's a been-there-done-that trail horse at the ripe old age of 5 (my 10 year old rode him for 45 minutes on the trails the other day). And...he jumps. No one will mistake him for Rox Dene with his jumping form, but he's neat and tidy with his knees, and he has calmed lept out of a 5 1/2 foot high round pen, so scope does not appear to be an issue.

    He's not for sale though!

    Here we are on a hunter pace this fall. The jump is tiny, but that is where the photographer happened to be. He does have a blanket on his butt (hence his barn name of Linus ), but it's not readily apparent from this angle.
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    • #42
      Argh! A tease! But your horse is a beaut. I'm jealous. But not for long hopefully! I'm going to the local race track tomorrow to see what is up for sale.
      the things that i had not ought to
      i do because i ve gotto
      wotthehell wotthehell

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      • #43
        Originally posted by GansMyMan View Post
        Funny this should be started... I always wanted an appy, because they're smart and loud and hearty and because they weren't QH's. Never found one that actually was all of those things, though; and could be regionally competitive up to PSG and I could teach to jump and hence, hunt. So, now I'm back to OTTB's.
        Go look at the horses here, you might find what you wanted:

        www.confettifarms.com

        (But you can't have Magic Marker - I already bought him!)

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Lisa Cook View Post
          Sandy M. - interesting about your foundation-breds being so tall. I have a 5 year old foundation-bred, and he measured @ 16.2 last February. I've been scared to measure him again, because I'm afraid he might have grown! He grew over 2 inches as a 4 year old, go figure. I wish I had a $1 for everyone who has asked what he was crossed with - with the general guess being a warmblood of some kind. I did pull out his pedigree, and he doesn't have any of the bloodlines that you mention, so he must get his height from somewhere else. His mother was 14.3 and his father was 15.3!

          On a different subject....do any App owners here who compete in the real world belong to ACAAP? (Appaloosa Competitive All-Breed Activities Program) It is supposed to "recognize the achievements of those Appaloosas competing in open and all-breed activities". The only reason why I know of it is because the person I bought my horse from handed me a ACAAP application, since my plans are to event this horse, she thought I'd be interested. But I've never seen the program mentioned in the past year of receiving ApHC Horse Journals every month.

          Well, look at the JG horses - while A lot of her sale horses are outcrosses to TB and WB, her stallions are all tall, and most are either Foundation or Foundation/TB.

          In another post, I listed the linke to Confetti Farms. Both her stallions are in the 90th percentile of Foundation and are both 16.3.

          I did ACAAP with my now retired horse. He finished in the Top Ten several times, but he was in his teens when I started, so I never showed him enough to get a "Master's" certificate. I'm surprised you haven't noticed in the Journal. When I stopped showing, I stopped paying my dues. I didn't want the Journal anyway. Too many Quarterloosas. But there is generally an ad every month for ACAAP. Just go to the ApHC website and you can get more info.

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          • #45
            I think it's safe to say, yes, I want one. But they are in CA and I'm in MA... The prices aren't crazy either! I'm bookmarking that site for later inspections. We'll see just how much the new job provides for.
            the things that i had not ought to
            i do because i ve gotto
            wotthehell wotthehell

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            • #46
              Sandy M! Congrats! My first appy was a bright chestnut with a blanket, and I've always drooled after them since... somehow, I keep getting varnish roans (or chestnuts appies WITHOUT the blanket..). He's gorgeous!

              Maybe check out the JG Apps as well. My mare was bred to Wap's Rolls Royce this summer, but reabsorbed late in the season. I know one or two of their boys is more dressage-y, and they seem to have a huge network of available offspring (example: I was telling the owner about William, who is out of a Wap's Spot 2 daughter. She paused for a second, thought about it, and knew exactly who William's dam was, who owned her and where she went, and then could remember William as a child, as well. This from a horse bred in Texas, by a WB breeder - it seems like she knows where ALL of the WS2 "kids" are, which is massively impressive to me, at least, since I'm doing well to remember my 3 geldings' names on some days.. )
              "talking about love is like dancing about architecture..."
              A Wink & A NodPlaying by HeartA Wing & A PrayerBest to be Elusive

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              • #47
                Sandy - he is nice! Good luck with him!

                Looking at the others on that page - Spiced Hot Chocolate is a pretty fancy looking boy.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Lisa Cook View Post
                  Sandy - he is nice! Good luck with him!

                  Looking at the others on that page - Spiced Hot Chocolate is a pretty fancy looking boy.


                  If he'd been a two year old, and not a suckling, I'd have wanted him.

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                  • #49
                    Appdream, I believe my cousin's horse HAS CPO marked on his papers.

                    This horse is TOO much for her, and it's difficult to sell a "registered" horse when its own breed registry won't allow it to be shown.

                    * sigh *
                    "Oh, sure, you may be able to take down one smurf, but mark my words: You bonk one smurf, you better be ready for a blue wave."---Bucky Katt

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                      #50
                      Oohhhhh, pretty! Now THAT'S what I call an App!

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                      • #51
                        i totally agree and support the foundation app 100%. i got flamed for it on a supposed App forum i was on. i don't want to see the conformation of a QH. yuk. i want the body of a foundation app. i want his courage, intelligence, good feet and easy keeping. there is a foundation app club, but the website stinks.

                        here is my Guy, the Bay and my husband's deceased Leo App. Check out his tail and his pedigree goes back to JokerB.

                        http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...hooterwind.jpg

                        http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...r/tangosun.jpg

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                        • #52
                          Can someone post pictures of a foundation app vs a QH app? I don't really know the difference. What are the differences? Boomie is half QH, so be nice! hahaha!! Allegra is full Appy, I think she is foundation, but I don't remember. They both have papers.
                          Sarina

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                          • #53
                            ok here is a horse from the appaloosa horse club. this is a spotted QH, not an App.

                            http://www.appaloosa.com/images/idea...sadownload.JPG

                            and here are examples of foundation apps
                            http://www.foundationapp.org/

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by mrsbwayne View Post
                              Can someone post pictures of a foundation app vs a QH app? I don't really know the difference. What are the differences? Boomie is half QH, so be nice! hahaha!! Allegra is full Appy, I think she is foundation, but I don't remember. They both have papers.
                              Sarina
                              Well, not posting pictures, but look at any winning halter App these days (outside of the new Foundation class) Horses from the Dreamfinder, Andrew, Impressive Bloodlines, Zippo lines. Just think halter QH with spots (more often, without spots.)

                              Then look at horses on the FAHR web page or the Confetti Farms stallions.

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                              • #55
                                Oh wow, that does look like a QH with spots. I see the difference!
                                Sarina

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                                • #56

                                  They are both lovely, but he is just SOOOOO true App. Of course, the "Joker" there is that both of Joker B's parents were registered AQHA. Apparently, back then AQHA couldn't tell an Appaloosa roan from a QH. Blue Vitriol was apparently a blue roan Appaloosa - but she got registered AQHA. Still, in that case you're talking Foundation QH, which looks very little like the Impressive type modern QH who may not take steroids, but sure looks like it does (not to mention the size 00 feet).

                                  FAHR designates many TB, Arab and QH crosses as Foundation, because, well, you gotta start somewhere, so they chose a registration # of ApHC horses from before the wholesale outcrossing with QH, and designated those horses (horses like Red Eagle, Navajo Britches, etc.) Foundation. Now they require 3/4 App BY BLOOD to be designated "Foundation" - they are much stricter than the ApHC Foundation designation.

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                                    #57
                                    Ok, duh question time--can a simple look through a pedigree give an idea of % of "blood"? My girl's from Prince Plaudit lines, but also has Three Bars (not uncommon, I know). Like most Apps, she's got TB and QH in her pedigree, but I'm betting she'd qualify as foundation if I'm "figuring" correctly.

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                                    • #58
                                      Sandy M - I've got to know. She doesn't look like a quarterloosa, she doesn't act like a quarterloosa... but is my mare considered a quarterloosa?

                                      http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/r+southern+bars

                                      I'll... TRY... to love her just the same if she's a quarterloosa, but I'm making no promises...
                                      "talking about love is like dancing about architecture..."
                                      A Wink & A NodPlaying by HeartA Wing & A PrayerBest to be Elusive

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                                      • #59
                                        I read the title of this thread at least 15 times thinking it said "Solid apples" and wondering what was wrong with that. Don't want them thar runny apples...

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by Delighted View Post
                                          Sandy M - I've got to know. She doesn't look like a quarterloosa, she doesn't act like a quarterloosa... but is my mare considered a quarterloosa?

                                          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/r+southern+bars

                                          I'll... TRY... to love her just the same if she's a quarterloosa, but I'm making no promises...
                                          Hard to decipher all of that pedigree, but I'd say not: There's a mix of MOSTLY Appaloosa, some QH, some TB. I don't know that she'd qualify as Foundation under FAHR standards, but she might under ApHC standards. I'm not clear on ApHC requirements, but I know they are not as stringent as FAHR. To me, it looks like there's enough Appy in there for her NOT to be considered a Quarterloosa. When I say Quarterloosa I look to three things:

                                          1. More QH than App in the pedigree (not the case for your horse);
                                          2. Conformation (you say not Quarterloosa conformation)
                                          3. Color - less a factor: Some Quarterloosas luck out with good color; but the more you dilute, the less color in most cases.

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