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  • #1

    Australia's Smallest Horse

    Koda!

    CUTE!
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    I must respectfully disagree.
    Now that his leg surgery's over, his dental surgery will begin.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...tle-horse.html
    I wonder if it wouldn't have been kinder to just put the little fellow out of his misery.
    And maybe the breeder responsible as well, if s/he deliberatly produces dwarves.
    Last edited by pAin't_Misbehavin'; Aug. 10, 2009, 09:22 AM. Reason: to allow for the possibility that Koda may have been an accident
    I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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    • #3
      Oh dear lord.....yes, he's cute, but sooo many health problems!! And is it humane to intentionally breed for this 'cuteness' when the result is that the poor creature has to undergo surgery after surgery??? But oh well, he's handling it 'like a little man' -

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      • #4
        Whoever said they were intentionally breeding?

        He is super cute, there are alot of health problems yet this seems to be a family and vet who is trying to give the little guy a chance. Putting the little guy to sleep would be humane if he was suffering unduly. But he sure looks a happy horse in those pictures seeming to enjoy life with a good Equine friend. Unless you are there with the little guy yourself day to day and seeing his personality and spark then it is not our place to say what is humane. It is our place to say "Cute!!" and for me to go at the amount of vet bills they are planning to put into this guy. Yowsers!!
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        • #5
          Wow cute cute cute! If the surgeries help I don't see that as terrible. How many have had colic surgery or other surgeries? If the recovery is easy for them and they live a happy life, why not?
          I want a signature but I have nothing original to say except: "STHU and RIDE!!!

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          • #6
            [QUOTE=Ride2Dreams;4296684]Whoever said they were intentionally breeding?
            [QUOTE]

            I did not. However, at least according to this website, dwarves are a "reality of raising miniature horses."
            http://www.minibreeders.com/horsieheaven/ Does anyone know what percentage of mini foals are born deformed?

            Chardavej - I cannot imagine that this little horse has not been in severe pain from his deformities and probably still is. Certainly the surgeries were painful. And unlike colic surgery, it's a certainty that he will require successive surgeries.
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            • #7
              I could see dwarves as a fact of life much like red bags or the many other difficulties in large horses. While they are incredibly rare, all birth defects are rare.

              I am incredibly curious of the percentage rating myself for the possibility but I cannot find it anywhere. Maybe I am searching with the wrong keywords. Alot of information that they have higher birthing difficulties and this from LSU:
              http://evrp.lsu.edu/v8/8minihorses.asp
              About deformities but it reads more like "these are the posibilities" but nothing on how common it is?
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              • #8
                That article is actually one of the better ones you'll see on dwarfs. It highlights the cost and difficulty of raising a dwarf. Most just skim over it and go for the "aww, it's so cute!" angle.

                Miniatures tend to be amazingly tough when it comes to major vet work.

                As for the % of dwarfs... we don't know. Just throwing out a number? Maybe 1% of live births. So I'd say it's "rare" but not extremely so. The internet gives the illusion that this is an extensive problem with Miniatures and it's not, but it IS a VERY real problem.

                Breeders aren't generally forthcoming with this information. The registries do not keep track, reporting is not required we have no test yet (it's in development) and we don't fully understand the genetics behind the defect. Right now we presume it is a recessive gene(s). Since the backlash against breeding stock that produces a dwarf is so immediate breeders are not usually forthcoming with this information.

                The Miniature world actually had a bit of a shocker this year: one breeder this year made the horribly painful (and in the eyes of many, laudable) choice to castrate her prize stallion when he sired a dwarf. She had invested years and $$$ into showing him, he had an extensive show record and was beautiful. You can read the post on the LilBeginnings forum on how seriously she took the situation, from castrating him to dealing with mare owners who had bred to him.

                It's only been in the last few years that there has been a grass roots effort to bring the condition to light, demand breeder disclosure, develop a test and start really working on a solution.

                Dwarfism is not confined the Miniatures. There is also a freisian line that has occurances of dwarfism, and there are documented cases of Arabians and TBs. We don't know if it's the same genes or not.
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                • #9
                  Wow, that news of castrating because of one foal is incredibly responsable as well as horrifically hard for the owner to make that choice. I wonder if they knew where it came from and how it works if they would of made that choice. From what you said there is so many unknowns and no solid proof or research done on it.

                  I wonder if any of the universities would consider a study on it and possibly discover if it is carried through dam lines, sire lines or both and what the probability of getting a dwarf foal is. Genetics has always fascinated me.
                  ~The Hardest Thing About Riding is the Ground~

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                  • #10
                    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...e.html?image=6


                    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...e.html?image=7

                    Poor thing.

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                    • #11
                      Chardavej - I cannot imagine that this little horse has not been in severe pain from his deformities and probably still is. Certainly the surgeries were painful. And unlike colic surgery, it's a certainty that he will require successive surgeries.
                      Yea, you're right. I just hope that the pain is not lasting and they have him as comfortable as possible.
                      Last edited by Chardavej; Aug. 11, 2009, 11:11 AM. Reason: Edited to fix the quote, it wasn't in quotes, LOL!
                      I want a signature but I have nothing original to say except: "STHU and RIDE!!!

                      Wonderful COTHER's I've met: belleellis, stefffic, snkstacres and janedoe726.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ride2Dreams View Post

                        I wonder if any of the universities would consider a study on it and possibly discover if it is carried through dam lines, sire lines or both and what the probability of getting a dwarf foal is. Genetics has always fascinated me.
                        John Eberth is making great headway on it. I believe a test IS in development.

                        It is a problem that the members of both registries DEMAND be resolved. It's full steam ahead to try and at least get a test out there. It's kind of a point of shame that it's taken us this damn long to get on the ball.

                        The general thinking is that it is caused by recessive genes, and that a sire or dam who produces a dwarf is a carrier and should be culled. There are many arguments on the responsible and appropriate thing to do.

                        There's also the complex argument of where bad conformation ends and dwarfism begins. Many dwarfs are not nearly as obvious as this guy. You can have incredibly subtle dwarfs that only someone who KNOWS what they're looking at will realize it's a dwarf. There are always arguments about poor conformation vs dwarfism when a suspected dwarf's pictures are posted for consideration. Dwarfism comes in 2 flavors and a thousand shades.
                        "The nice thing about memories is the good ones are stronger and linger longer than the bad and we sure have some incredibly good memories." - EverythingButWings

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