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  • Ride as badly as you can! Ride like a beginner!

    I posted about Missy, the 30 y/o Morgan mare, 3 weeks ago. Her owner had me ride her when she got a bit too strong for the kids/gate sour. She was pretty well behaved with me, and 2 weeks ago, I rode her again and specifically focused on going nicely through and past the gate in walk and trot. She tried to bulge her shoulder out or kick out a little a couple of times, but settled right down quickly. Yesterday, her owner decided to have the kids ride her again, but asked me to hop on first. She told me to flop around, goose her a little with my legs, and generally act as much like a beginner as possible, and if she cantered for the gate, to do a one-rein stop. She had us demonstrate it for the kids, and sure enough, the first two times, she cantered off fairly strongly (not to the point where I would have needed to do anything that dramatic, but the kiddos are beginners and smaller, so she can get away with it). We did it two more times, and she got a little rushy at the trot. After that, she just did a nice slow trot on the buckle in both directions a few times, while I lurched forward and leaned on her neck, let my legs flop around, etc. She was a little angel with the kids afterward. Have you ever needed to do something similar, ie. when schooling a naughty pony for someone else, or when trying a horse for a beginner? Here she is (not with me flailing, though I obviously still have a lot to work on).
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2644/...5b4a421ab4.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAYWWXMM1H8
    Last edited by Whisper; Aug. 9, 2009, 11:26 AM.
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  • #2
    At a barn I boarded at, the trainer was doing this sort of thing when training a horse for its newbie owner. The owner had bought an unbroken Arab filly "because she was sooooo beautiful!". Fortunately she did get the filly into a good barn and then took riding lessons. After the trainers got the horse basically broke, they started stuff like you mentioned to try to desensitize her.
    Unfortunately, it didnt work long term. Filly was just too sensitive and hot and owner too beginner and not naturally athletic. Horse would startle and scoot and owner sometimes came off. Eventually the owner hurt her back in a fall. Last I heard she was back to just watching her pretty pony...

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      #3
      I'm sorry it didn't work out well for her. I think some horses are just *too* hot and sensitive, but a lot of them are surprisingly tolerant, especially as they get a bit older. This girl has obviously BTDT, and is pretty unflappable. It was more to "trick her" into thinking she could get away with acting up than to actually focus on desensitising her.
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      • #4
        Nice looking 30 year old! Bet she has stories to tell.
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          #5
          Thanks, Birdsong! They take great care of their horses, and have several over-20's who are still in good shape and serviceably sound to at least W/T. Missy used to be a successful show pony on the Morgan breed circuit and local H/J shows. I love the "golden oldies," and think they have so much wisdom to share!
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          • #6
            It was standard for us to start horses for the riding school by training them properly, but also teaching them to put up with less educated riders.

            We were always told to have someone not ride properly was not fair to the horse, that we needed to become good enough instructors so horses would be ridden right, even by beginners.
            The training for those beginner mistakes was preventive, for when they do happen, although we hoped they didn't.

            In the USA, I see many riding poorly, again and again, the horses saints, but wonder at times if that is really right.

            I guess that, in the grand sheme of life, it is a lesser evil...

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            • #7
              She's 30??? She looks fantastic...shiny, muscled and even her face doesn't have that sunken old lady look. Good for her owners, excellent job with a senior horse.
              And yep, the older the horse the more they have in thier bag of tricks.
              You jump in the saddle,
              Hold onto the bridle!
              Jump in the line!
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              • #8
                Yup. Part of my training program for my young mustang gelding (who I hope to make into a lesson horse extraordinaire) includes "Dealing Appropriately With Weird Stuff Kids (and Adults) at Riding Schools May Do." Specific lessons include things like (to name a few):
                • Standing Quietly for Grooming and Tacking Even if Your Kid Smacks You 57 Times With the Saddle Pad Before Getting It on Your Back, Drops Brushes Around Your Feet or Otherwise Behaves in an Irrational and Unpredictable Manner;
                • Not Spooking at the Loud Sounds and Abrupt Movements that Often Erupt from Riding School Students, nor at the Wind Rattling the Trees, nor at the Barn Dog Devouring Something Nasty in the Lane from Barn to Ring, nor at Parents of Students Behaving in Various Bizarre Manners;
                • Imitating a Stump When Being Mounted, Even If the Rider Takes Forever, Kicks You In The Ribs, Bonks You on the Butt With Their Legs or Otherwise Mounts Less Than Smoothly;
                • Slowing Down or Coming to a Halt When the Rider Loses Her Balance and Flops Forward on Your Neck;
                • Maintaining a Slow and Steady Pace Despite Legs Banging Frequently and Unpredictably Against Your Sides; and
                • When In Doubt, Stop and Look to the Person in the Middle of the Ring for Instruction.
                Fortunately, the young man is of a quiet and agreeable nature and, other than perfectly reasonable small spooks here and there and an unusual interest in sniffing and thinking about new footing before stepping onto it, is showing great promise as a quiet lesson pony.

                Some of my young students who have gotten to see me ride the young fellow have taken great joy in shouting out phrases often heard from my mouth during lessons, like "sit back," stretch your heels down," "look up," etc. Hey, at least I know they are listening!
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                • #9
                  ColoredHorse's mustang gelding is a kind old soul that has an amazing amount of patience. He is going to go far with proper and kind instruction. Since his early days, he has been amazing and easy. He seems to have been born with that temperment. He is wonderful.

                  What a sweet boy he is!

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                  • #10
                    My old trainer called me the "pony tamer" because that was my job. I would get on the ponies and generally ride like a sack of potatoes, wave my whip in the air, tap on my helmet, play with their ears, and everything I could think of.

                    It was surprising how many of the ponies were scared of the helmet tap and water bottle shaking.
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                    • #11
                      HAHA thats funny! She looks awesome too

                      I will once in a while screw around like a beginner on my own horses just to see how they handle it. My 3'6 mare sometimes gives "lessons" to a couple of the local kids, so I have to test the waters first....she doesn't care haha

                      ETA: I have to agree with Bluey that I don't think its right for the horses to have to put up with some of the things they put up with. I realize its not entirely possible to start out not making mistakes that can "hurt" the horse.....but it IS possible to get the right mindset that the horse has feelings too.

                      I'm only 26....but my first instructor was the kind who would put a bit in a kids mouth so they knew what it felt like to have their mouth yanked on (no, not as hard as the horse's get it cuz that'd bust teeth, but it sure whipped some of those kids into shape!)
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                      • #12
                        My old trainer used to have a handicapped riding program, so in addition to being the guinea pig on all the "regular" horses we got in, I also had to test out the horses that were donated to the program. That included flopping around, climbing all over them, making noise, falling off, etc., etc.

                        One of our riders had his arm amputated almost up to the elbow, so in the process of seeing if one of the horses was right for him to buy, I had to ride him for weeks with one arm behind my back. That was fun. Of course, it did provide me with all the ammo for the joke, "I can do _______ with one arm tied behind my back!"

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                        • #13
                          This question made me remember when I saw my DD's trainer at the time trying out a new school pony to determine if it would be okay in the lesson program. Trainer (who naturally was a STELLAR rider) was bouncing all over this pony, posting on the wrong diagonal, flipping the reins around, cantering while posting, all sorts of "wrong" stuff. Pony just kept going around the ring, minding its own business. After 10 minutes, Trainer stopped, gave Pony a big pat, and said, "Okay, we'll keep you." Turned out to be an awesome pony.
                          I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

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                            Seven-up, that's great!

                            Guin, I think that kind of mentality is important for a beginner lesson horse/pony, and it's a good idea to desensitise them to a lot of that stuff, since even experienced riders have the occasional awkward moment.

                            Kellida, I agree that's very important, and that instructors shouldn't let beginners do things to deliberately hurt the horse (or accidentally more than the bare minimum). Being tolerant for those worst case scenarios is important for horses who have beginner riders, though.

                            MistyBlue yes, they still have her papers! Her owner bought Missy for her daughter when they were both much younger.

                            ColoredHorse, I love the funny capitals, and agree that some youngsters seem practically born broke. I got to ride a 4 y/o Welsh pony last year, and he was very blase about strollers, little kids, yappy dogs, bikes speeding toward us on narrow trails, etc. One time, I tried to hop on him bareback (from the ground), and literally sailed right over him and landed on my feet on the other side. He craned his head toward me, but seemed only inquisitive instead of startled!
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                            • #15
                              My horse would murder a beginner. If anyone pops out of the saddle she goes into a bucking fit. My boyfriend decided to try and ride her, they cantered off, he was bucked off. Gotta learn to sit before you ride my horse.
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                              • #16
                                That's (riding sloppily, sudden movements and sounds, wierd and wonderful things happening around them) the sort of thing I tend to do when checking out a pony/horse for RDA - to get a feel for their general tolerance level. If the attitude is right, you can then work with the specifics of things that may cause a reaction.

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                                  #17
                                  Amanda, was he ok? If she does that, I'm surprised you let him ride her!

                                  Sue, I'm not familiar with the RDA - could you tell me what it stands for, or is it just the barn you're at?

                                  Bluey, I agree it's important to ride as best as we can right from the start, and to be sympathetic to the horse. If they're yanking on the horse's mouth or kicking hard or something, then obviously the instructor or horse owner or whoever needs to intervene. I don't think that being a bit floppy and awkward hurts the horse most of the time, and I think it's important for any beginner lesson horse to tolerate that a bit. Heck, a lot of more experienced riders have the occasional bad day or awkward moment! Being a sane, sensible, tolerant partner gives the horse a lot more options, especially as it gets older, or if it needs to stick to W/T due to soundness issues/etc. Plus, they're less likely to get freaked out at shows or other things if a member of the general public unexpectedly does something.

                                  I also feel it's important for cats and dogs to be patient about people doing weird things and grabbing them in ways that are slightly uncomfortable, but not downright painful, so I've trained them in the past to yield to light pressure on ears, tail, whiskers, etc. Back in High School, I was walking my Chow past a playground and a toddler and his sister (who was around 7) came up to pet him. He was very popular with the neighborhood kids, who frequently asked if he was a bear cub, and his previous owner had two small children. So, the two little ones are petting him, and he's happily wagging his tail and panting. The toddler got fascinated by his purple tongue, reached out, and *grabbed it*, while standing directly in front of him, with his hand up to the wrist in the dog's mouth! The dog pulled back for a second, whimpered, and you could see the gears going, "Oh that's right, if I get pulled on, I move toward it." He stretched his neck out as far as it would go and leaned his weight forward, since there wasn't room to take a step, opened his mouth as wide as it would go, and went back into happy dog mode. "Ok, whatever kid, just pet me!" The kid's sister was freaking out, and I had to reach in and pry his fingers off the dog's tongue one at a time! Certainly not the kind of thing you can expect to have happen, and he could have been badly bitten!

                                  Even if you don't usually let kids interact with your horse, I've heard of lots of members of the general public not asking first, just running up and hugging a horse's leg, or bumping into its hocks with a stroller, or otherwise acting in ways that horses might quite reasonably object to! Of course, there still aren't any guarantees, and even the calmest horse can still have a moment, but the more you can desensitise them to "weird things people do," the less likely it is that someone will get hurt. Also, horses can get themselves stuck in bad situations (like in a fence, or with a leg through the reins, etc.) and I think that training them to calm down and either not move or try to slowly extricate themselves makes them less likely to get hurt.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Whisper View Post
                                    Even if you don't usually let kids interact with your horse, I've heard of lots of members of the general public not asking first, just running up and hugging a horse's leg, or bumping into its hocks with a stroller, or otherwise acting in ways that horses might quite reasonably object to! Of course, there still aren't any guarantees, and even the calmest horse can still have a moment, but the more you can desensitise them to "weird things people do," the less likely it is that someone will get hurt. Also, horses can get themselves stuck in bad situations (like in a fence, or with a leg through the reins, etc.) and I think that training them to calm down and either not move or try to slowly extricate themselves makes them less likely to get hurt.
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                                    • #19
                                      I think this type of desensitization makes perfect sense.

                                      Currently I have a horse who came to me very green but has become very steady and quiet. I've thought about using him for some beginner lessons, but he's only been ridden by very experienced/solid riders up until now. So a few days ago, I had his regular rider bounce around on him a bit, lose her reins, flap her arms, and shriek while she rode him She got a kick out of it, and the horse was fine; it's not quite the same as a real "beginner" but no way I would have just thrown one up on him to test out his reactions.

                                      The OP's story also reminds me of when I was younger and just starting to do the bigger jumpers. I got a job riding for someone who did a lot of sales, and the first week I was there, my boss put me on a horse he was trying out, jacked the jumps up to about 4'6" and told me to "miss the distance" as badly as I could. It was *terrifying* - I was inexperienced enough at that point that it was intimidating to ride as well as I could to a jump that big, let alone miss on purpose! But my boss wanted to make sure the horse was amateur-appropriate and could "take a joke".
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                                      • #20
                                        Every once in a while I'll do it on my daughters pony. not because he takes off but because he won't go. I have to get on and flop around and lean all forward (because he wants to stop, which isn't a bad thing if she's going to fall but when she is just a teeny beg. that hasn't got complete balance makes it hard for her to ride him) Barely kick with the legs and way up high etc... She has now gotten where I don't have to do it anymore but it worked.
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