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  • Windsucking - Every horse in the barn

    After my recent barn-leasing dramas, I have been barn searching (always fun!) today I checked out a nice barn, mixture of dressage and eventers. Nice people, nice horses, nice place.

    But something felt really wrong, but I couldn't put my finger on it.
    Then I realised. Out of 15 horses, bar about 4, 3 of which were under saddle EVERY single horse was windsucking, or had a windsucking collar on it. The competition horses, the 2 schoolies, the young breakers, and to top it off the yearlings were also sucking on the fences. Two were in cross ties and were sucking off the ties!


    I didn't think it polite to bring it up, but I was always told sucking was often caused buy ulcers from stress/high grain diet, but could also be a learned response....

    Has anyone ever come across an entire barn of windsucking horses before!??!

  • #2
    It's also caused by not having much forage (hay, pasture, etc.) A horse is built to have something in its stomach virtually constantly. When they don't, they get indigestion, ulcers, etc. Windsucking is supposed to "cool off" the painful parts. Maybe the cause here? And no, I've NEVER seen such a phenomenon as all a barn's horses doing it.

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    • #3
      I have seen barns with more then their share of cribbers and windsuckers. It had nothing to do with management--they were just barns that took them so they had most of the local cribbers and windsuckers there (cribbing is when they latch onto something--windsucking is just arch and grunt). Actually, I have only seen a few windsuckers, but lots of cribbers. The last boarding barn I was at had about 25% cribbers. They were welcome, so they ended up there.

      It also might have a hereditary component, so if all the horses are bred there or related there may be a higher proportion of that behavior.

      I once had a whole herd of cribbers--about 14 horses. I had many kindly strangers stop by to tell me how to "fix them" and what I was doing wrong. It was my cribbing research herd so I had searched long and hard for that many cribbers to beg or borrow, but I did not cause the cribbing, I just caused the concentration. It sure would have been nice if just feeding grain and keeping them in 20 hours a day would have turned them all into cribbers for me!

      I have certainly seen many barns that feed grain and have limited turnout and hay and still do not have a mass-o-suckers. Its not like vampires. They do not turn others into their own. I have seen barns full of horses with ulcers and not infected with stump suckers.

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      • #4
        At the reace track, over the years, you can almost tell who is who by some that are cribbers, as their parents were and their grandparents were.
        If you get many horses from the same breeder, you may end up with a few more cribbers than normal, but that is then normal.

        No telling why they were cribbing in that one barn, but we have seen foals already want to crib some times, as some of their siblings did.

        A predisposition to it is inherited, but what brings it on, there are many possible causes, management definitely one for some, as they quit when pastured.

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        • #5
          I went once to look at a lesson barn that was absolutely beautiful. Gorgeous facilities, beautiful lush paddocks with white board fencing... and not a horse outside on a beautiful summer day. Went inside and every beautiful, immaculate horse in a stall had cribbing collars, pony pops, lik-its, etc. Horses cribbing and windsucking, weaving and stall-walking everywhere... I know there are other factors like diet that can be involved in stall vices, but it really bothers me when horses never get to go out and be horses.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SarahandSam View Post
            I went once to look at a lesson barn that was absolutely beautiful. Gorgeous facilities, beautiful lush paddocks with white board fencing... and not a horse outside on a beautiful summer day. Went inside and every beautiful, immaculate horse in a stall had cribbing collars, pony pops, lik-its, etc. Horses cribbing and windsucking, weaving and stall-walking everywhere... I know there are other factors like diet that can be involved in stall vices, but it really bothers me when horses never get to go out and be horses.
            What she said!

            Turn out helps.
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            • #7
              windsucking is actually air being sucked into the vulva. You mean cribbing

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              • #8
                "Traditionally windsucking has been described as a cause of recurrent colic or of failure to do well, but the vast majority of horses that windsuck suffer no adverse effects at all. If the habit is severe the muscles on the underside of the neck, which the horse contracts when it arches it's neck to suck in air, may hypertrophy (get bigger)and this might be regarded as unsightly. In the majority of horses the habit can be effectively controlled by placing a tight leather strap around the top of the neck, this seems to prevent the horse from arching it's neck."


                Veterinary Notes for Horse Owners.
                Captain M. Horace Hayes F.R.C.V.S.
                17th Edition.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by equinelaw View Post
                  I have seen barns with more then their share of cribbers and windsuckers. It had nothing to do with management--they were just barns that took them so they had most of the local cribbers and windsuckers there (cribbing is when they latch onto something--windsucking is just arch and grunt). Actually, I have only seen a few windsuckers, but lots of cribbers. The last boarding barn I was at had about 25% cribbers. They were welcome, so they ended up there.

                  It also might have a hereditary component, so if all the horses are bred there or related there may be a higher proportion of that behavior.

                  I once had a whole herd of cribbers--about 14 horses. I had many kindly strangers stop by to tell me how to "fix them" and what I was doing wrong. It was my cribbing research herd so I had searched long and hard for that many cribbers to beg or borrow, but I did not cause the cribbing, I just caused the concentration. It sure would have been nice if just feeding grain and keeping them in 20 hours a day would have turned them all into cribbers for me!

                  I have certainly seen many barns that feed grain and have limited turnout and hay and still do not have a mass-o-suckers. Its not like vampires. They do not turn others into their own. I have seen barns full of horses with ulcers and not infected with stump suckers.
                  Excellent point about a barn who will take them might have a higher %age.

                  I for one, would be very interested to learn what you learned from your herd.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LittleblackMorgan View Post
                    windsucking is actually air being sucked into the vulva. You mean cribbing

                    I believe you mean "uvula."

                    LOLvula!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Silver Snaffles View Post
                      After my recent barn-leasing dramas, I have been barn searching (always fun!) today I checked out a nice barn, mixture of dressage and eventers. Nice people, nice horses, nice place.

                      But something felt really wrong, but I couldn't put my finger on it.
                      Then I realised. Out of 15 horses, bar about 4, 3 of which were under saddle EVERY single horse was windsucking, or had a windsucking collar on it. The competition horses, the 2 schoolies, the young breakers, and to top it off the yearlings were also sucking on the fences. Two were in cross ties and were sucking off the ties!


                      I didn't think it polite to bring it up, but I was always told sucking was often caused buy ulcers from stress/high grain diet, but could also be a learned response....

                      Has anyone ever come across an entire barn of windsucking horses before!??!

                      can also be a copied habit windsucking is classed as a vice

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                      • #12
                        wrong end....

                        Originally posted by LittleblackMorgan View Post
                        windsucking is actually air being sucked into the vulva. You mean cribbing
                        hilarious! I would be traumatized if I walked into a barn that was windsucking like that!

                        Uvula: The small piece of soft tissue that can be seen dangling down from the soft palate over the back of the tongue
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GrayTbred View Post
                          I believe you mean "uvula."

                          LOLvula!
                          Nope
                          LittleBlackMorgan is right.
                          The uvula is at the wrong end (the head end) for windsucking.
                          Besides which, I don't think that the horse HAS an uvula.

                          Windsucking involves sucking air in through the vagina/vulva, usually while galloping. It is treated with Caslicks procedure.

                          Sucking air through the mouth (and uvula) is CRIBBING not windsucking
                          Janet

                          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                          • #14
                            wind sucking is air being passed by using mussles on the underside of his neck which contacts as he arches his neck making the mussles on theunderside bigger to stop it happening people add a strap as in windsucking strap

                            crib bitting is wood chew crabbing hold of fences etc and chewing wood but can also be con bine with windsucking

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                            • #15
                              A mare can windsuck on both ends.
                              Geldings can't.

                              Windsucking can be what a mare does behind AND what a cribber that cribbs on air does.

                              Some cribbers, if you put a hot wire around their stall and they can't find a place to crib, start windsucking.
                              It can also be selfstanding, as I have seen two TB foals do it, that didn't crib first.

                              Both have been called properly windsucking.

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                              • #16
                                Must be regional usage.

                                To me, "windsucking" ONLY refers to mares sucking air through the vulva into the uterus.

                                To me, "cribbing" is "look as i they are swallowing air", whether the teeth are braced on an object or not.
                                Last edited by Janet; Aug. 8, 2009, 09:43 PM.
                                Janet

                                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Janet View Post
                                  Must be regional usage.

                                  To me, "windsucking" ONLY refers to mares sucking air through the vulva into the uterus.

                                  To me, "cribbing" is "swallowing air", whether the teeth are braced on an object or not.
                                  That could be.
                                  Around here, cowboys call them stump suckers or wind suckers.
                                  At the track, we called them cribbers, or windsuckers if they just had the grunt without teeth on something.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by SarahandSam View Post
                                    I went once to look at a lesson barn that was absolutely beautiful. Gorgeous facilities, beautiful lush paddocks with white board fencing... and not a horse outside on a beautiful summer day. Went inside and every beautiful, immaculate horse in a stall had cribbing collars, pony pops, lik-its, etc. Horses cribbing and windsucking, weaving and stall-walking everywhere... I know there are other factors like diet that can be involved in stall vices, but it really bothers me when horses never get to go out and be horses.
                                    Is it possible they were on night turnout? A "Beautiful Summer day" usually brings the horses inside by choice (for those with run ins) to avoid the heat and flies. It is also easier if the horses are needed for work during the day.

                                    Christa

                                    Who had a Cribber - he started shortly after weaning and there were NO other cribbers in the barn.

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                                    • #19
                                      Vulvar Conformation: Poor vulvar conformation leading to pneumovagina (involuntary aspiration of air into the vagina) is a common problem in mares. The aspiration of air inflames the uterus and carries forward bacteria from the vulva to the uterus. This leads to infections and/or persistent inflammation of the uterus, and permanent damage to the endometrium over time. Mild to moderate problems can be corrected by suturing the vulva (a Caslick's procedure). Severe problems require a perineal reconstruction operation (Pouret's Procedure).
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                                      • #20
                                        I have a cribber. I did some research. Everything I've read suggests that there is a very strong genetic component to cribbing. The genetics make the horse more susceptible and the environment can increase the likelihood of cribbing.

                                        By the way, none of the other horses that I owned with my cribber or in my barn have picked it up from copying. I'm not saying that it never happens, but it doesn't seem to be endemic.

                                        I wrote a series of articles on my blog that you might find interesting.

                                        Cribbing: Presumed Causes
                                        Does Cribbing Cause Health Problems?
                                        Cribbing Prevention

                                        I feel much differently about cribbing now having owned a cribber for 4 years and having read about it. I don't have a horse that will crib on cross ties so he's not absolutely compulsive, and I haven't had any cribbing related health problems. The biggest issue is that I had the sound of it. To that end, he wears a collar. But I wouldn't hesitate to buy another cribber and I wouldn't cross a barn off my list because they take them.
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