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  • If the economics of running a barn with well-paid help do not work out, then something about the situation needs to change. I consult with small firms all the time that really do not have the $$ to pay for help, but it always means there is something terribly awry with the financial management. Sometimes it means the owner is trying to take too much out of the proceeds.Sometimes the overhead is too high. Sometimes people are working hard, but not smart. Some things may need to be outsourced. Some things may need to be eliminated. Some things may have to be added.
    This is the smartest thing said on this thread so far. As far as:

    in this day and age it's what the work force is being told to avoid.
    The workforce is being told to avoid many types of work that don't pay well enough to earn a living. 90% of barn jobs are entry level type work that offer more in "experience" than in "wages." That's fine, we all need experience.

    But you can't eat it, wear it, sleep in it, or drive it somewhere, and you certainly can't pay for health care with it. It isn't even worth that much extra the next time you go looking for another job. Therefore most help willing to take the job are either there for the experience just for awhile, are being paid better than entry level wages, or are there because wherever they came from, conditions are even worse for them, and in many situations, that's saying quite a lot.

    Going back to this idea...
    If the economics of running a barn with well-paid help do not work out, then something about the situation needs to change.
    What can be changed? How could it work? Can the question "Why would someone want to work in the position I am trying to fill?" be answered in a positive way?
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    • ok, for some people who either do not go to college or did not finish. What jobs would be available for them? Im looking in the paper now. waitress/waiter, sell Avon, bartend after tou get the license, sales person at staore, fast food, paint houses, etc. what do they earn?

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      • Originally posted by BoysNightOut View Post
        Well good for you then, lol. I have worked with horses in several barns for 15 years, so don't presume to lecture me either about what good barn help is all about and what it's like to be a barn worker.
        Yes - your vast experience, working in barns since age eight, is enough to enlighten you as to the economics of running one.

        And since you're still living at home, you are not "paying your own bills". Maybe supporting your horse habit, but that's a whole different story from paying rent, buying groceries, and making a car payment. When you actually have to make these payments, then we'll talk. Right now, you don't know what your'e talking about.

        You look just as foolish to me as I apparently do to you.
        Coming from you, that's a compliment. Thank you.
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        • Originally posted by mst View Post
          ok, for some people who either do not go to college or did not finish. What jobs would be available for them? Im looking in the paper now. waitress/waiter, sell Avon, bartend after tou get the license, sales person at staore, fast food, paint houses, etc. what do they earn?
          Around here retail gets you about $8+/hour, a discount, and a warm, dry working environment where you're less likely to get kicked, trampled, or suffer complete physical exhaustion at the end of the day.... and that's for part time help.
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          • I don't think the people who are complaining WANT to find any answers. They want to bash the economy and the poor workers. There ARE solutions, but any that would be offered here will just be argued with. And the posters will be slammed for not knowing enough about how awful it really is.

            Lots of barn managers ARE making it. There ARE solutions. But one of them may be that some of the "fringe" barns DO go out of business. One problem is that as land has become so expensive, fewer and fewer people can afford to have horses at home. They HAVE to board. But, the truth is, they can't really afford to board their horses, either ... not if they have to pay a reasonable rate that compensates the barn manager. You can't squeeze blood from a turnip. But I do know this, I have seen LOTS of people leave struggling barns, and it had NOTHING to do with $$$. In fact, they went and paid 25 to 50 percent MORE at the new barn. Why did they leave? Conflicts with trainers and/or barn managers, conflicts with poor employees, little or no turnout, poor stall management, etc., etc. I have only known of a couple of people who left a struggling barn because they found someplace CHEAPER. And the truth is, those people really could not afford to own a horse. Horses are cheap to buy, expensive to maintain. Too many people don't figure that out until it's too late.

            I see barns with tack shops and gift shops to bring in extra revenue. I see barns that rent their facilities out for private gatherings. I see barns that installed nice locker / shower facilities to make it easier for (particularly women) riders to stop by on their way home from work, change clothes and work-out with their horses. And I see people pay top dollar for those services.

            I also know that I have had a lot of employees through the years in my business in jobs that I KNEW were not career-material jobs. I was ALWAYS able to hire the best and brightest young people from the local high school. I knew they were temporary. I knew the job I was offering was only a stepping stone. I knew I would have to work around their schedules. And I got the BEST kids because I WAS willing to work with all of those parameters. I talked to their parents. I told them that school was most important. I hired a couple of kids with different available times to more or less "job share." The kids I had working for me LOVED to work for me, they did a GREAT job and I truly enjoyed having them come to work. I gave most of them scholarships when they graduated from high school, and I always had a waiting list of kids who wanted the recent-grad's job when they left. The jobs I had for these kids were low-level jobs. But I got the BEST kids to do them. I had a lovely 16-year-old who came after school every day and soon proved to me that she could handle lawyers on the telephone. Wow! I fell in love with that one. She was killed in a car wreck last year, at age 25. And I wept as if she had been my own. She also loved horses and had great horse-management knowledge & skills. She would have been a gem as a barn worker, and I think I paid her $7.50 an hour.

            I do not and will not believe that there is no good help out there. Some people just want to blame their poor management skills on anyone and everyone else they can.

            If you can't find a good employee, the reason why is not in the economy or "out there" anywhere -- it's in the mirror.

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            • ok, for some people who either do not go to college or did not finish. What jobs would be available for them? Im looking in the paper now. waitress/waiter, sell Avon, bartend after tou get the license, sales person at staore, fast food, paint houses, etc. what do they earn?
              Around here retail gets you about $8+/hour, a discount, and a warm, dry working environment where you're less likely to get kicked, trampled, or suffer complete physical exhaustion at the end of the day.... and that's for part time help.

              Exactly. Our receptionist did not attend college and makes quite a bit. She also has the added benefit of being bilingual. It's not rocket science to answer a phone politely, to plug numbers into a cash register.

              Many jobs don't REQUIRE a college education. Does it help? Of course. But can you exist without one? Sure.
              I'm a part time graphic artist and photographer in my downtime (I do similar work for a defense contractor 9-5). I make ads, I can photoshop just about anything, and I photograph events for over $100/hour.
              Does this require a college degree? No, but it does require a skill. I've contracted assistants (for individual jobs) that I'm not actually certain graduated from high school. Were they able to push the button on a light meter when I asked them to? Sure.

              If you're talking about people who are truly and completely uneducated - there's still plenty of available things. There is no shame in being a waitress whatsoever and you don't risk your life doing it - and you usually stay warm and dry. Heck, Micky D's and Starbucks pay benefits. Someone said Mickey D's started at $9.50 an hour in their area. I don't know what it would be around here. I made $7 an hour waitressing when I was in college + tips. I made quite a bit in tips.

              There was a recent outcry when Starbucks coffee went up by a NICKEL. But do people still buy coffee from Starbucks? Of course. Because they want coffee.
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                • Yes - your vast experience, working in barns since age eight, is enough to enlighten you as to the economics of running one.

                  And since you're still living at home, you are not "paying your own bills". Maybe supporting your horse habit, but that's a whole different story from paying rent, buying groceries, and making a car payment. When you actually have to make these payments, then we'll talk. Right now, you don't know what your'e talking about.
                  Haha, oh ESG, how do you know what bills I pay? As a matter of fact, I do pay my own way, not just my horse....so miss know-it-all, don't tell me about my financial status, as you do not know me...who looks foolish now.....as for rent, when I move out in a few weeks, I won't pay anything, since it's a benefit my equine employer is offering me....yeah, gasp, a benefit. ;-)


                  As for the economics of running a barn, as I said I believe many times now, much of it is common business sense. You don't need to own a barn to understand how to run one. Apparently, you don't get this so we'll just drop it....not going to argue with a brick wall, lol.

                  Coming from you, that's a compliment. Thank you.
                  Haha, your welcome. I love having dicussions with adults who like to use snippy sarcasm because they can't talk about things politely. And you think I'm the child here? I think my posts started out as firm, yet polite. It was you who instigated the hostility with the "oh, read for comprehension, your statements are silly, you don't know what you're talking about....", so really, whose the kid now? I think I am starting to see why some of your employees quit, such as that "delicate flower".....if I had a boss like you, I'd run for the hills too! :-)

                  Your inflated ego of "Oh, I have been a pro for 19 years, I had 2 jobs, I earned my way".....yada yada yada. Good for you. The gold star is in the mail, lol. Why don't you go to a retirement village and complain about todays youth with the residents there....you might find more sympathy, lol.

                  Anyways, time for me to go do others things, like ride my horse, and get some sleep for work in the early a.m. I've said what I've had to say, you don't agree with me, so oh well. Continue if you must to bicker on a public BB about how stupid I am, but quite frankly, I've got better things to do, like live life. :-)
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                  • Originally posted by ESG View Post
                    Been here, done this, got the T shirt. Only I wanted badly enough to continue in the horse business that I went out and got a <gasp!> full time job, and worked horses part time. I worked two jobs for several years before working myself up to the point where I could go out on my own and make a living. And pay for health care. And pay for three horses. So again, don't presume to lecture me - I know what it takes to be in the business, and I've proven that I'm willing to do it. When you can say the same, I'll give your words more weight.

                    I'm glad you not only found the one (and only) way to run 'the business' but also think everyone should make your same mistakes. If i had not dealt with older, arrogant females my entire illustrious riding career I might be more surprised at your comments that just because I'm a) 23 and b) have not actually made it to where you are at 45. I've worked very hard for everything I have today. Mommy and Daddy have not helped me out, I've catch rode pretty much my entire life, oh I'm sorry Mom and Dad did pay for about 6 months of lessons when i was 10. Shoot. There goes everything I'll never make it now? I dont want to make myself a martyr, but hey this is the only way I could make it here. I didnt have money, all I had was the ability to work my way here. I work a (I KNOW YOU FIND THIS SO SURPRISING) A full time job, over nights including weekends and most holidays. If I had time for three horses, or if I had time for my one horse and a second job with the overtime i pull then I would do so. I help out as much as I can at the barn I currently work at.

                    Just because you got by doesnt mean it makes everyone else wrong to point out the obvious. I hope that when I do buy a small farm in a few years, and I'm working a full time outside job and fulltime at my barn, and I need to hire a worker, I will pay them what they deserve. You complain about how every worker sucks, because in the end no one will work as hard as you especially when they cant afford to feed and house themselves. I don't presume all people need to follow my struggle to gain my respect.

                    King's Ransom HAS the same T-shirt and pretty much saying the same thing And they are pretty much pinning you exactly as you are. Gee guess I dont need a t-shirt to see the obvious!

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