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  • Solutions for the wild horse

    I acquired a very lovely, but very wild pony who has never been touched in her entire life. I've been speaking to a few places in my area as I would like some help with her. She'll at the very least be going away for 30 days, potentially longer.

    I narrowed it down to a select few places, who all have great reputations and many references.

    My problem is deciding which place is right for her. There are two types of places. The places that will take the firm, harsh, but fair route. They feel this is necessary and feel I'll see an entirely different horse in a month. The other places want to take the gentle approach.

    I have absolutely no experience with a horse like this, which is why I am seeking help. If it were you, which method would you choose for your horse?
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    Every horse/pony is different. I am not a fan of anything "harsh" but what ever the pony responds best to I suppose. Some horses lack the mental capability to forgive and forget "harsh" treatment so that training can move along in an orderly fashion. By the same token, horses need leadership - a herd boss and some overly soft approaches can lead to confusion and even aggression. If the pony has a TB or arab type personality I would go wth gentle persuasion. If he is more quarter horse or draft horse like you can be a bit more full on. I have horse's in my barn that were hit by trainers 25+ years ago and are still not over it. And I have some that age that just rolled with it.

    What is the pony like?
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      She is a Welsh/British riding pony. She currently eats out of my hand and likes to come over to me to sniff me and check me out, but would back up if I went to touch her. My very calm and gentle vet even with tranq could not get her halter off as he could not get close enough to her. I could see her mind just panicking. She's not mean by any means.

      The harsh technique makes me a bit nervous, but some people seem to think that's the only way I'll get anywhere with her.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Flamboyant View Post
        She is a Welsh/British riding pony. She currently eats out of my hand and likes to come over to me to sniff me and check me out, but would back up if I went to touch her. My very calm and gentle vet even with tranq could not get her halter off as he could not get close enough to her. I could see her mind just panicking. She's not mean by any means.

        The harsh technique makes me a bit nervous, but some people seem to think that's the only way I'll get anywhere with her.
        We started many wild horses and no, you don't need any harsh techniques with them, they handle just like any other horse.

        The only difference is that you have to get them contained, so you can get to them, without them running off on you.
        Horses raised where they are halter broke before you start them you can get your hands on them, but wild horses, after a little, you are there with them also and from then on, it is the same, each horse according to it's temperament.

        I would take her to a place where they start colts all the time, because those are places that get all kinds, the wild and the gentle ones to start and are used to the little tricks to get all gentle.

        If someone tells you they use harsh methods, find out what they mean by that.
        The same if they say gentle methods.
        People can call their methods gentle and not be so gentle and the other way around, being firm, but not harsh.

        Hard to tell you, without seeing the people in each place work with their horses, who would be best...

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          Oh, I understand you can't tell me exactly who would be best, I'm just trying to get a better idea of what is necessary.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Flamboyant View Post
            Oh, I understand you can't tell me exactly who would be best, I'm just trying to get a better idea of what is necessary.
            A good, experienced colt starter will do fine.

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            • #7
              It sure sounds like the harsh technique could really backfire on you and undo everything you've accomplished with trust. I think in the long run that building trust is key and then go with more, building the trust, then asking for something from her, then more trust, more work. Not rushing it to get the "job done". After all, she's not a machine. She sounds timid too so the last thing you want to do with a timid horse is to prove her right. I think she needs confidence building, not breaking down her spirit. I think once you have built a bond and a relationship you can ask anything from her and you can't rush that and if you have the relationship then she won't be afraid when you make a correction. I've heard clicker training works well and sounds like it may be very good for your mare especially if she's eating out of your hand.

              Have you ever heard of Kerry Thomas? He has some interesting ideas too. http://thomasherdingtechnique.com/ Check out Thomas Herding Technique, I met him, he lives locally in Chester County, PA. He might offer some interesting observations or perhaps just reviewing his web site might be useful. I haven't actually seen him work with a horse but some friends have and they were impressed.



              Originally posted by Flamboyant View Post
              She is a Welsh/British riding pony. She currently eats out of my hand and likes to come over to me to sniff me and check me out, but would back up if I went to touch her. My very calm and gentle vet even with tranq could not get her halter off as he could not get close enough to her. I could see her mind just panicking. She's not mean by any means.

              The harsh technique makes me a bit nervous, but some people seem to think that's the only way I'll get anywhere with her.

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              • #8
                I don't think the harsh technique would work with her either. She sounds like a little wild thing that came into the barn where I rode as a teen. He was a large pony gelding that had been running wild in a field. He was given to me to start and I spent a long time just sitting in the stall with him until he would let me touch him all over and lean on his back. Slow, steady and gentle was the way to go with him. By the time I was able to tack him up and get on for the first time he was a puppy dog. I think if he had been rushed we would have had the same results. He ended up being a fabulous pony when he went back to his owners.

                Conversely, there were some mustangs that came in - one responded to the slow and gentle approach. Another tried to kill anyone that got on him and things got rougher with him out of self preservation. However, once he figured out that trying to hurt his rider was absolutely unacceptable he ended up being a really nice horse. To ride him a few months later you would never know what a maniac he was to begin with.

                You really have to know what personality you are working with and go from there. Sounds like you have a shy sweet little horse that just needs to learn to trust its people. I would go with someone who promises the slow and steady approach. And then I would make sure to stop by and check in often.

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                  Thanks for your help everyone! You confirmed that my thoughts were correct. My biggest concern is ending up with a horse with baggage. Right now, while she's wild, she's also a clean slate. If this goes badly, she'll have baggage and I know that will take quite the person to fix.

                  I have about three different people who all sound wonderful that I'm heading out to see this weekend. All have lots of experience with foals and some experience with horses like her.

                  One of the harsh places told me I couldn't see her for the first two weeks so he could develop a bond with her. I just about fell off my chair. Maybe that is how he does things, but I can't imagine not checking up on her for two weeks, just trusting that everything is going well.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Flamboyant View Post
                    One of the harsh places told me I couldn't see her for the first two weeks so he could develop a bond with her.
                    No, no, no!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Flamboyant View Post
                      Thanks for your help everyone! You confirmed that my thoughts were correct. My biggest concern is ending up with a horse with baggage. Right now, while she's wild, she's also a clean slate. If this goes badly, she'll have baggage and I know that will take quite the person to fix.

                      I have about three different people who all sound wonderful that I'm heading out to see this weekend. All have lots of experience with foals and some experience with horses like her.

                      One of the harsh places told me I couldn't see her for the first two weeks so he could develop a bond with her. I just about fell off my chair. Maybe that is how he does things, but I can't imagine not checking up on her for two weeks, just trusting that everything is going well.
                      Never leave a horse where you are not welcome at normal hours.
                      That is a red flag.
                      Our problem was getting owners to come see their horses in training and even take FREE lessons on them, so they knew how to ride them once home.

                      You really, at some point, need to be an active part of the program, if just for a little bit here and there, since she is your horse and you will be working with her later.

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                      • #12
                        Do you need to send her out for training? Most ponies I know will do anything for food. You could try throwing sliced carrots/apples etc out of her to get the taste of, then offering them from your hand.
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                        • #13
                          If "harsh" means no games, no cutsieness, no taking crap like rearing, biting, or kicking, and not letting her learn that throwing someone or rolling on the saddle gets her anywhere, that's one thing. I don't have a problem with "firm but fair." If anything I prefer it to NH and goofy games and playing herd boss.

                          If "harsh" involves tiedowns, flipping, choking, and spurring her 'til she bleeds, that is not training, that's abuse. You're very right to be worried about someone who doesn't want you there for the first two weeks--bonding, my foot. He MAY be on the level and genuinely just wants to "bond" with her. But I wouldn't take the chance. "Harsh" means different things to different people, but like people said, it's never a good idea to put your horse somewhere that you cannot check up on it at any time.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Flamboyant View Post
                            She is a Welsh/British riding pony. She currently eats out of my hand and likes to come over to me to sniff me and check me out, but would back up if I went to touch her. My very calm and gentle vet even with tranq could not get her halter off as he could not get close enough to her. I could see her mind just panicking. She's not mean by any means.

                            The harsh technique makes me a bit nervous, but some people seem to think that's the only way I'll get anywhere with her.
                            herd her into a stable, or get all the other in leave her till last and let her follow another to a stable and get her in like that.. as your not expreinced enough to catch by self and she has your nno, little ponies are cheeky and welshes dont play easy to get when they have your no

                            once inisde then she confined work on her if it was me i would be getting a head collar straight of and if i have to jump on her to do it i would by that i mean getting hold of her head but there many ways to do that some might say that was harsh method but this little thing is quicker than you and can turn on a sixpence and show you her back legs
                            so better to be up at the head end ---
                            once caught then you can coo and coax her better as you have soemthing to grab hold of
                            when i have one in like that depends on there attitude - if they neavous then i give them time and benifit of doubt but i do get them in stable so i can clean muck
                            out feed and water them so they get used to me comming a going for a few days and i dont touch them just let them sit and watch me - that in itself brings a bit of trust
                            then i go to catch them -- i try the nice way 1st ie head collare behind me back and my hand in freindship -

                            which in your case you can do that bit witha bit of grub,, so she not hard to get hold of her head - have a lead rope only around your schoulder then once shes eating out of you can you can place that on her neck,, top end she might run abit so let her and dont move,. if she comes back with it dangling grab the two ends next time she takes something from your hands - bingo == got the ned then palce a head collar on her
                            if that dont work feed her out of a bucket with head collar placed inside the bucket and hang the sides over the top and open so when her nose pops into the bucket- as in right in all you have to dois grab the ends large-- obviously you can drop the bucket or do the same thing with the bucket on the floor----- when she ducks her head right in the bucket be quickand grab the ends of the head collar -- bingo got horse

                            always add about 4inches on baling twine on the ring under the chin, so for future can grba hold of that rather than the head collar it self-- its meant for grabbing so must be the width of your hand in length but not so long the ned treads on it -- just long enough to take hold of her..
                            once you got hold of each occassion then start grooming her and pciking up her feet dialy
                            grooming is bonding and so is picking out feet-- lf lh rh rf in that order

                            these are just a couple of things you can try to catch with bucket job can be done outside if she not confined but build a bit of trust

                            if howeer horse is naughty and quick as meaning to boot you then yeah thats when i say right no more mrs nice i mean business and iwill catch you - so that wheni jump and grab hold of there necks --- and i have a lead rope once i have that round the neck then its just a matter of getting the head collar on- then we on the way of making unruly horse nice

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                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              Where she is currently located, there are no stalls for her to stay in. The place she will eventually stay at will not take her until she can be properly led. And I have a recent injury that means working with her is a bit difficult.

                              I appreciate all of the advice! Hopefully one of the places I am seeing soon will work out.
                              www.offthewalldesigns.ca

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