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Horse Slaughter Bill UPDATE + URLs

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  • #21
    The falsehoods stated on this auction's web site are appalling and deceptive.
    Originally posted by gwenrowdy View Post
    And here's their website commentary on HR503 legislation.

    Horse Legislation HR 503 Update
    The Livestock Industry is disappointed & shocked at Thursday’s (Sept 7) passage of US Bill HR 503 – which bans the slaughter of unwanted horses. Almost everyone agrees, this bill was CLEARLY passed on emotion, not science.
    False. HR 503 Bans the slaughter of horses for human consumption. There is no term "unwanted" in the legislation, and I horses slaughtered that are stolen or acquired through deceptive means definitively DO NOT qualify as unwanted.

    Another false: Definition everyone = every person. Since the people who agree it was passed on emotion are in the minority, it is without question, not "everyone".

    Originally posted by gwenrowdy
    Auction house: All of us that are knowledgeable horse persons, involved with the horse industry & the breeding and raising of horses, realize, with out this humane disposal option for horses, many horses will be left to suffer many years of pain or neglect.
    Again, absurd, misleading and unfathomably presumptuous!!

    Originally posted by gwenrowdy
    Auction house: Sanctuary’s and billions of dollars in government funding necessary for their care, could not be readily available for access to accommodate the 95,000 horses or more a year that would accumulate to hundreds of thousands in a few short years.
    This arguement is so flawed and completely unproven.... soooo realistic to think these horses will be wandering the countryside, abandoned. Is that why so many stolen horses go to slaughter now???

    Originally posted by gwenrowdy
    Auction house:I believe there would still be breeding going on in the sanctuary's no matter how hard they tried to control it. Handling all the unwanted stallions alone would be a challenge.
    duh... there's this procedure called gelding... and how many sanctuaries breed?? Another great example of how what "knowledgeable horse persons" these people are!
    "There's something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" ~ Sir Winston Churchill

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    • #22
      Like the ignorant ones who say pro slaughter people don't love horses.
      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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      • #23
        Horses looking depressed, standing in the mud? I could take those in our own pastures.

        Totally OT, but I simply had to respond--that cracked me up (and struck a familiar chord!).
        "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
        **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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        • #24
          Originally posted by MacknCody View Post
          How is SHARK online inaccurate?
          The ironic thing about the footage is that SHARK online uses one piece of the total footage taken on their site, and pro-slaughter groups use another piece (where there are no bolt mistakes) taken at the same time at the same slaughterhouse on their sites. The same people here who have routinely questioned the credibility of the SHARK videos were very fast to laud the different segments of the footage before this was pointed out.
          "There's something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" ~ Sir Winston Churchill

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          • #25
            Its not exactly a secreat and never has been both sides are going to use videos that will make them look right. Fact is neither side is close to the truth.
            Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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            • #26
              Yep, the OP definitely has balls to be posting this here. But I for one am thankful for the info and will be contacting my senators to ask them not to vote for the bill.

              As is typical of most issues, you have to take the extremists on both sides with a VERY LARGE grain of salt. Somewhere in the middle you'll usually find the arguments that actually make sense.

              And as a non-ignorant person who does love horses, you can count me in the anti-slaughter-ban camp.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by JumpingPaints View Post
                Another false: Definition everyone = every person. Since the people who agree it was passed on emotion are in the minority, it is without question, not "everyone".
                How did you determine conclusively (since you are railing against other people for posting things you consider false) that those who agree it was passed on emotion are in the minority?

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by JumpingPaints View Post
                  The ironic thing about the footage is that SHARK online uses one piece of the total footage taken on their site, and pro-slaughter groups use another piece (where there are no bolt mistakes) taken at the same time at the same slaughterhouse on their sites. The same people here who have routinely questioned the credibility of the SHARK videos were very fast to laud the different segments of the footage before this was pointed out.
                  LOL... Which is why I'm deeply suspicious of video footage and photographs designed to convince me of things!

                  Honestly, JP, thanks for pointing this out- I hadn't seen or heard of any of the video from the "other side" but find this kind of an amusing proof of how media that "can't lie" can still be twisted quite easily to suit the purposes of those presenting it. (and unfortunately I can't seem to view ANY video online, so can't look it up now)

                  (and yes, sort of ironic, almost chuckle-worthy)
                  "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

                  My CANTER blog.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Erin View Post
                    How did you determine conclusively (since you are railing against other people for posting things you consider false) that those who agree it was passed on emotion are in the minority?
                    Because although some of the people I have spoken with and seen posting here are reacting emotionally (on both sides), most of the politicians and anti-slaughter people I've spoken to are asking questions, using their best judgements and basing their decisions on rationale and hard information. That is my perception, which clearly differs from the auction house's, but nevertheless, IMO the statement "Almost everyone agrees, this bill was CLEARLY passed on emotion, not science" is untrue. (Although I should have asked what "science" the pro-slaughter logic is based on)
                    "There's something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" ~ Sir Winston Churchill

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by caffeinated View Post
                      LOL... Which is why I'm deeply suspicious of video footage and photographs designed to convince me of things!

                      Honestly, JP, thanks for pointing this out- I hadn't seen or heard of any of the video from the "other side" but find this kind of an amusing proof of how media that "can't lie" can still be twisted quite easily to suit the purposes of those presenting it. (and unfortunately I can't seem to view ANY video online, so can't look it up now)

                      (and yes, sort of ironic, almost chuckle-worthy)
                      Yes, it is a great example of "spin" from both sides!
                      "There's something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man" ~ Sir Winston Churchill

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by JumpingPaints View Post
                        Because although some of the people I have spoken with and seen posting here are reacting emotionally (on both sides), most of the politicians and anti-slaughter people I've spoken to are asking questions, using their best judgements and basing their decisions on rationale and hard information. That is my perception, which clearly differs from the auction house's, but nevertheless, IMO the statement "Almost everyone agrees, this bill was CLEARLY passed on emotion, not science" is untrue. (Although I should have asked what "science" the pro-slaughter logic is based on)
                        While I'd certainly agree it's not factually accurate to say "everyone" agrees it was passed on emotion, I'd say it's equally inaccurate to state as a fact that a minority believe the same. It may be what you have personally experienced among the group of people you have talked to, but it's not accurate to state it as a fact for a population at large.

                        That's the funny thing about that accuracy sword... it cuts both ways!

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                        • #32
                          I'm absolutely certain I don't buy into the theory that slaughter eliminates a lot of the abuse and neglect. We've prosecuted a few cases here and seen a couple of the area rescues intervene in a few more...all within about fifty miles of a holding facility for Bouvry. And yep, kill buyers are quite common in this area.
                          If you want to flip it around, slaughter might also eliminate a lot of happy, healthy horses who could have homes of their own, like my Belgian/Quarter cross and my Percheron/Fjord cross who were both intercepted from the meat sale.
                          DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                          • #33
                            Wow ! That letter is downright Orwellian. I'm sure there is misinformation/propaganda on both sides, but calling horse slaughter the “supervised humane euthanasia of unwanted horses” and a group that supports slaughter the "Horse Welfare Coalition" is pure doublespeak!!!

                            What is most interesting to me is that the change of tactics by those who support horse slaughter reflects their realization that Americans really do care about the welfare of horse, and they're playing to those emotions. It's pure genius to co-opt the rhetoric of the pro-ban group.

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                            • #34
                              I'm not gonna get into the whole slaughter debate again, but I have to say something about those of us "Pro-Slaughter" people not really loving horses. That's pretty much the most ignorant statement I've heard.

                              I'm "pro-slaughter" as the anti-crowd so likes to call us, and I can guarantee you I love my horse to pieces. If this BS statement was so true, my horse wouldn't have a 5lb bag of peppermints in my tack trunk. I also bought him "lame" and have spent countless hours and so much money to get him better again when I really live paycheck to paycheck.

                              I love my horse and would never send him to slaughter. But that's my choice and mine alone. And to say "pro-slaughter" people don't love horses just because we don't share the same opinion as you is pathetic and sad.....it's a free country, and I don't have to believe what you believe. I'm sorry if that pisses you off, but you have no right to judge how others feel.
                              <3 Vinnie <3
                              1992-2010
                              Jackie's Punt ("Bailey") My Finger Lakes Finest Thoroughbred

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                              • #35
                                Boysnightout wrote...

                                "I'm pro slaughter".....

                                ...." I love my horse and would never send him to slaughter"...

                                This really has me confused.

                                If you wouldnt send your horse to slaughter, please explain how then you could you feel its ok for ANY horse to slaughtered? Is it that you only love YOUR horse, and feel no compassion/concern for other horses? If not, why then would you not feel ok with sending your horse to slaughter when his time comes?

                                If being slaughtered is good enough or acceptable for other horses, why then is it not acceptable for your horse?
                                www.horse-protection.org

                                No Horses to Slaughter Clique

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                                • #36
                                  Same way some of my horses I'd sell to slaughter and some I wouldn't. I don't like every horses the same way. I'm that way with people also. Some I love some I don't some I could care less about either way. Not everything in life is exactly the same.
                                  Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                  • #37
                                    Because I feel it's up to every owner to decide what they want to do with their horses. I love all horses, but I'm not gonna get emotional over whether or not they are slaughtered. I believe we have too many horses in this country, therefore slaughter is a method to help control that. Anti-slaughter people generally don't agree.

                                    Yes, I think it needs to be made more humane. But I don't think it should be banned.

                                    I wouldn't ever donate my horses body to Cornell or a med school to be cut up because I have a personal attachment to my horse. But I cut up a horse when I was in college for an anatomy class and it didn't bother me. Does it mean I didn't feel sorry that horse? No, I'm sure he was a great horse for somebody at one time. But I didn't have the emotional attachement to him. So therefore it's my decision never to send Vinnie to the kill pens b/c I have a bond with him. But I don't share that same bond with other people's horses. It doesn't mean I don't feel compassion or love for them.

                                    Do I find the thought of slaughtering horses sad? Of course. I don't like to think about these animals being eaten. But life is life, and in my opinion, slaughter is a necessary evil at the moment.

                                    Oh, and by the way. I put "pro-slaughter" in quotes because I feel it's a ridiculous label that our side is called, so please don't quote me as saying "i'm pro slaughter". The quotes were there for a reason.
                                    <3 Vinnie <3
                                    1992-2010
                                    Jackie's Punt ("Bailey") My Finger Lakes Finest Thoroughbred

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by county View Post
                                      Its not important to me if I misspell something. As I said if you can't figure out the word let me know obviously you had no problem doing so. And i have no problem with any one thats anti slaughter they have every right to be. I also have every right not to be.

                                      But I stand by my statement that anyone who says I don't love horses because I'm pro slaughter is ignorant.


                                      Well you can mark me down as ignorant also - who else is also ignorant?

                                      If you love something then why would you want it to suffer fear and pain?

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Lora View Post
                                        Well you can mark me down as ignorant also - who else is also ignorant?

                                        If you love something then why would you want it to suffer fear and pain?
                                        I would like to know where you get the idea that those who don't want slaughter banned said we want horses to suffer fear and pain. In fact, most can agree that slaughter methods need to be changed to make it more humane. Statements like this are made just to make those of us who don't agree with you seem more evil and heartless.
                                        <3 Vinnie <3
                                        1992-2010
                                        Jackie's Punt ("Bailey") My Finger Lakes Finest Thoroughbred

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                                        • #40
                                          I'm not going to speak for everyone, but many of us are called "pro slaughter" simply because we don't support this legislation. That does not mean we like slaughter. It does not mean we want horses to die in fear in pain.

                                          I do not like the slaughter and meat handling system as a whole, frankly. But in my mind it's a much bigger problem than banning slaughter will fix. I don't believe that slaughter HAS to be inhumane, and think a lot of improvements need to be made. I think banning horse slaughter will have a lot of unintended consequences for the horse industry (which like it or not, is an industry based on business, and effects all of us, even if we're just owners for our own pleasure).

                                          This does not mean I like hurting animals, or am sadistic. I know many people of this mindset who contribute as much as they can to horse and animal rescue, have pulled horses from kill auctions, and do what they can to make the life of animals better.

                                          I don't think this makes us/them hypocrites, I think it's just a product of the fact that this is a complicated issue. It'd be much simpler if it was just about loving horses or not. I understand this point of view is hard for a lot of people to understand, too.
                                          "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

                                          My CANTER blog.

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