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  • #61
    Oh puh-leeze~!

    That is like saying I'd leave my child with a strange priest before a strange homeless person.... NOT GONNA HAPPEN! And yes, our neighborhood has 3 very sweet pits and a golden that was destroyed after two different child attacks and innumerable dog attacks. It NEVER made a statistic...know why? Cause it wasn't a pit bull!
    HaHA! Made-est Thou Look!

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    • #62
      Belladonna Lily,

      Those are all based on the CDC numbers, which are the only numbers out there and which the CDC themselves determined are NOT ACCURATE. Note the most recent date of 1998, which is when the CDC determined that their own study was INACCURATE and that continuing the study was not valid.

      As for your "the number are out there" opinion--fine, go get them then before you shoot your mouth off with no facts to back it up, but don't come back with any numbers based on the CDC study. The point is that there is NO ACCURATE DATA available, so good luck on that.

      And the "come on, people" is another logical fallacy tactic employed by those whose arguments cannot be supported by logic or fact. It's designed to manipulate the opposition into agreeing with unsupported "central truths" through public pressure--"everyone knows that," is one that people may be more familiar with.

      If you can back up your opinion with actual facts, and not distorted, inaccurate studies, then you will have a point. Until then, sorry, but you aren't even meeting the criteria required for a high school debate, let alone persuading anyone with any knowledge on the subject.

      And for the record, I can't identify pits accurately, and I own two and volunteer with a pit rescue now--that's the point.
      "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
      **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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      • #63
        OK, so now we're not allowed to have opinions? Based on WHATEVER THE HELL we want to? It doesn't matter what statistics, facts, websites or anything else...you're going to say it isn't accurate...well maybe the numbers are "off"...but they are not off enough to put pits low on the rankings. Or is that what you're trying to say?

        You people are way too sensitve. A Chesapeake Bay Retriever attacked a small child nearby and almost killed him. Family pet. One that my daughter had attempted to pet at a horse show not too long before the incident. But the reason that breed probably isn't mentioned often on the "numbers" is that it doesn't happen often! C'mon folks, there is no grand conspiracy against the Pit breed.

        Oh, and as far as your "high school debate" comment, I see that insulting others with differing opinions seems to be your best defense. Nice.

        I'm done. Can't believe I got into that. I'll shut up now (as the pit-fans have requested). Jingles for the foal (that was attacked by what appeared to be a pit but probably was a misidentified Pomeranian).

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        • #64
          You can have an opinion sure, but when you can't actually back it up with any evidence of value, it gets dismissed. Don't take it personally--anyone who owns a well-behaved pit (mine are working on basics to eventually qualify for therapy certification) hears those opinions all the time, and is used to forcing the issue to prove a point. If you had strangers accosting you and one of your dogs in public to scream at you that he, like all pit bulls, is a killer and should be shot, you wouldn't miss a chance to educate people either.
          "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
          **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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          • #65
            Pit bulls secrete a pheromone that causes succeptable people to fervently believe that there are no bad pits, only bad owners. This perception will not be altered unless the person sees her own pit attack someone.

            Any attempt will only increase the person's conviction.
            I wasn't always a Smurf
            Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
            "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
            The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by BelladonnaLily View Post
              Oh, and as far as your "high school debate" comment, I see that insulting others with differing opinions seems to be your best defense. Nice.
              Again, why is this personal for you? You wouldn't qualify for a high school debate with no accurate information to back up your position--I'm not being nasty--it's the truth. Why bother taking offense? It wasn't intended as an insult--just a notation that your position lacked any supporting evidence.
              "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
              **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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              • #67
                Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
                Pit bulls secrete a pheromone that causes succeptable people to fervently believe that there are no bad pits, only bad owners. This perception will not be altered unless the person sees her own pit attack someone.

                Any attempt will only increase the person's conviction.
                Crazy people emit a pheromone too--it makes them believe that despite having no supporting evidence, everything they read/believe/are told is true, and only they know the "truth" in the world, hence their need not to have to prove any of it.... Fortunately, medication helps....
                "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
                **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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                • #68
                  Pheromones act on other beings, not the creature doing the emitting
                  I wasn't always a Smurf
                  Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                  "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                  The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                  • #69
                    I don't think that detracts from the point....
                    "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
                    **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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                    • #70
                      What a horrible nightmare, the poor owners of those horses. How sad and heartbreaking. I can imagine that poor woman, in her nightgown, watching the foaling monitor and realizing something was wrong and then running to the barn to find horses attacked, bleeding, torn apart and the fences down...a true nightmare for any horse owner.

                      The poor little foal. Now words.

                      I do care about the poor dogs too, although like people animals can develop dangerous traits through no influence, most do become so because of people. Breeding certain lines, training, or no training, negligence, and even spoiling.

                      But honestly like a murderer or terrorist or any person who commits a horrible crime, I could care less about their race, religion or culture and instead feel for the victims; the victims are the important ones to remember, even with wanting to know the actions of the other, to understand or prevent another action like it, the act and the victim have to me are the concern.

                      We all know any dog , as much as we love them, has the potential to be dangerous.

                      We came across the cutest most loving stray a few months ago, a pit bull who had been rescued by her new owner...the reunion with her owner was tear jerking, honestly one of the most loving and affectionate dogs I have seen and so well mannered and dignified and as a pit bull coming from a rescue at one point who knows what her life was like and what was instilled or done to her.
                      "All life is precious"
                      Sophie Scholl

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                      • #71
                        Sorry, but...

                        Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
                        Pit bulls secrete a pheromone that causes succeptable people to fervently believe that there are no bad pits, only bad owners. This perception will not be altered unless the person sees her own pit attack someone.

                        Any attempt will only increase the person's conviction.
                        Of course there are bad pits. Also bad rat terriers... I have to agree with 3fatponies; the stereotyping we are constantly smacked with (loudly, publicly and completely undeserved) can cause us pitlovers to knee-jerk in the other direction.


                        In the meantime....what can we do to help these poor horses & their owner? Other than the jingling we keep interfacing into our "dog fight"

                        he he he (made a joke! dog fight....)
                        HaHA! Made-est Thou Look!

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by 3fatponies View Post
                          I don't think that detracts from the point....
                          You were discussing truth
                          I wasn't always a Smurf
                          Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                          "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                          The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                          • #73
                            Please--I know you are dying to prove a point in which you can slap me down because you disagree with me, but picking up on the grammatical issue of omitting the theoretical crazy person's dog from the post(from whom the phermones come) is not the same as attempting to classify an entire breed negatively without any supporting evidence.

                            I appreciate your effort, but that dog won't hunt.
                            "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
                            **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by 3fatponies View Post
                              Please--I know you are dying to prove a point in which you can slap me down because you disagree with me, but picking up on the gramatical issue of omitting the theoretical crazy person's dog from the post(from whom the phermones come) is not the same as attempting to classify an entire breed negatively without any supporting evidence.

                              I appreciate your effort, but that dog won't hunt.
                              I was simply using high school debate principles
                              I wasn't always a Smurf
                              Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                              "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                              The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                              • #75
                                That's fine, but my post was a joke/bit of humor as indicated by the wink icon, not part of the debate. It's pretty easy to tell which is which, if you want to. Like this one....
                                "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
                                **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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                                • #76
                                  Yes, there are bad every breed...mainly because there are bad owners who get hold of any breed.
                                  And the most popular breeds (most owned) are responsoble for the most bites on record. Which makes perfect sense. It's a numbers game there, not a breed game.
                                  However....the most maulings...not bites but serious maulings....are done by certain breeds. At that point the numbers game doesn't work anymore and it is concentrated mostly in certain breeds. Why? Each breed of dog has some natural abilities and instincts...which help make it the breed it is. Sometimes those work for the dog (pits are known to be loyal...and most are) and sometimes they work against the dog. (pits are known for their jaws, fighting and aggression) In all honesty...near my area huskies and Malamutes are livestock attackers and people biters. There just aren't as many of those breeds of dogs as there are pits, pit crosses, amstaffs, etc. Northern breeds packing up without supervision are a stupid thing to allow to happen. However...a ton of pits, pit crosses and amstaffs are loose and roaming in CT. Not many dogs maintain manners when left to roam unattended and the types of stupid-arsed owners who aloow their dogs to roam also tend to be the types who want "cool tough looking" dogs. So mix the idiot owners who can't/don't know how to train and handle a dog with the fact that these same owners are the types to actively seek out the "cool tough" pits, et al and we do have an almost epidemic of bad pits, et al. Is it the pits faults? Probably not...I also know a ton of sweet as pie ones. But for as many good ones I know...I come across as many bad ones. It doesn't matter to me that a pit (or similar type dog) CAN be a good dog...it matters to me that they appeal to many moronic people who shouldn't own goldfish.
                                  It's not a matter of those on the BB here who have great behaved dogs of these breeds...of course they do. We're all animal lovers on here and I'd guess the vast majority of us know how to handle, socialize and train them. It's a matter of these types/breeds of dogs being the most common ones mishandled by morons who're not on this BB. It's not breed bashing.
                                  IMO...pitbulls, et all are like firearms. Owned by mature, responsible, knowledgable folks and handled appropriately they can be fun to be around. Owned by complete @ss-hats and they become a weapon. It's neither the firearm's fault nor the dogs' fault...but it's dangerous nonetheless.
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                                  Hold onto the bridle!
                                  Jump in the line!
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                                  • #77
                                    That is so sad. I don't want this to turn in to a pit bash fest. The dogs that attacked our goats and my junior hunter in Michigan were German Shepherds. The dogs that attacked our goats in New Jersey were a HuskyX and ChowX. Frankly, any unsocialized dogs with a high prey drive that are not properly contained and have cr@ppy owners can do this. And she gets off the soapbox...

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by BelladonnaLily View Post
                                      OK, so now we're not allowed to have opinions? Based on WHATEVER THE HELL we want to? It doesn't matter what statistics, facts, websites or anything else...you're going to say it isn't accurate...well maybe the numbers are "off"...but they are not off enough to put pits low on the rankings. Or is that what you're trying to say?

                                      You people are way too sensitve. A Chesapeake Bay Retriever attacked a small child nearby and almost killed him. Family pet. One that my daughter had attempted to pet at a horse show not too long before the incident. But the reason that breed probably isn't mentioned often on the "numbers" is that it doesn't happen often! C'mon folks, there is no grand conspiracy against the Pit breed.

                                      Oh, and as far as your "high school debate" comment, I see that insulting others with differing opinions seems to be your best defense. Nice.

                                      I'm done. Can't believe I got into that. I'll shut up now (as the pit-fans have requested). Jingles for the foal (that was attacked by what appeared to be a pit but probably was a misidentified Pomeranian).
                                      BelladonnaLily- exactly please do not confuse opinions with FACTS; plus make sure they are accurate....Thank you.
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                                      • #79
                                        Well, pit supporters- can you explain how a WHOLE COUNTRY- Australia- has laws that require all pit bulls and pit types to be out only on leash, and MUZZLED?

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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by BelladonnaLily View Post

                                          Stereotypes are out there for a reason. Irresponsible owners and bad breeding have caused the trouble for the breed...NOT public opinion. I'm sure all of the statistics I quoted are wrong because no one but people like you can identify a pit bull, right?

                                          So wait a minute....
                                          We are allowed to sterotype dogs because there is a reason (that is what you say)?
                                          But god forbid we even think about doing the same thing with a breed of horse or gosh, a human.
                                          I've only been mugged/robbed (more than once) by one ethnic group of human but I'm guessing most people would call me racist if I said anything against that ethnic group.

                                          And BTW, I own a pit, she is my second, and I also volunteer at the humane society and teach dog obedience (in other words, I see lots of dogs) and I am for sure not willing to say I CAN be sure some dogs are pits or not.

                                          Jingles for the foal!!!!!
                                          Poor thing, this sure is a rough way to start life.

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