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Euthanizing Healthy Horses - What do you think?

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  • #21
    I have not yet had to face this issue but like everyone else, I could not imagine why a vet would not carry out the owner's wishes in euthanizing a horse, especially when the alternatives are so much worse for a horse that ends up abused and neglected or sold at killer auctions.

    I know my vet is anti slaughter and very unhappy with the AVMA. He told me that he feels the captive bolt is rarely used correctly ensuring a humane death and that there is nothing humane about the rest of the process either. I suspect with that attitude, he'd probably euthanize a horse if I requested him to. My crusty farmer stepdad has shot many an animal to put it down also and I know he would help me. For that matter, I am prepared to shoot one myself if it was suffering badly and the vet could not get there in a reasonable amount of time. As awful as that would be, it is less awful than watching one suffer. Also, I am comfortable with firearms after 9 years in the Army so that doesn't faze me.

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    • #22
      Since I do have a dog in this fight, I guess I'll put in my two cents worth....

      I have a physically sound 8 y/o gelding. He is however, a total nutcase and hurt me badly about a month ago.

      I seriously considered euthanization, as there's no way I'd pass this horse onto someone else to be abused, neglected, and possibly sent to slaughter. Or God forbid, sell him and have him hurt someone else.

      At the moment, I am financially able to care for him. Should that change, or he gets a life-threatening injury or disease, I will have him put down.

      At 8 y/o, he could live another 25-27 years, since Arabians seem to live freakin' forever!

      He's a lovely boy, and very affectionate. Just has some major screws loose that make him too dangerous to ride outside of an extremely controlled environment.
      Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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      • #23
        We euthanize excess dogs and cats. I don't see why horses are any different. That is a sad reality of the over-breeding of animals. There are more animals than there are homes for. If we don't want to face such a sad thing as putting down a perfectly good horse, we need to stop making so many horses.

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        • #24
          Does anybody else see the hyprocrisy in these views with vets? Some will not euthanize lets say in the above scenerio but their own organization stance is slaughter for ANY horse should remain a viable option right for all horse owners. How many vets do you know who will put down a very healthly in good flesh 4 year old without even maybe trying to place them, yet they are going to slaughter aren't they. Said vet in above scenerio more than likely belongs to the two vet organizations that approve of slaughter so why aren't they telling their customers "why pay to put them down send them to slaughter instead". I mean are our vets living in the dark, do they have no idea?

          This would be an interesting poll on a vet site, such as;

          Would you euthanize a very healthy 4 year old in good flesh because owner is in financial constraints?

          Would you reccomend to a customer taking their horse to process facility?
          NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
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          • #25
            We do however have to address the fact that many, many, many people are just plain wimpy.

            They don't want to see it. They don't want to deal with death.

            These are the people who dump their pets in the shelter and tell the kids "oh, he will find a good home!" Well, no. Odds are he is going to get deathly ill with an upper respiratory, suffer for weeks in a cage scared and wondering what the heck happened to his house and his family and then be euthanized. But since they don't have to SEE it, they can maintain the fantasy that he is in a good home somewhere! la...la...la...

            It's like my mom who told me my dog Buffy went to live on a farm when I was 5. Uh yeah, we know what farm THAT was. Unfortunately there are more people like my mom out there than there are people like me or you.

            So very honestly, you are pretty much going to have to provide a way for these people to dump off their animals for someone else to euthanize. You cannot magically make them into better people. Hey, I do cat rescue, I am very sick of cleaning up other people's messes, but I am realistic about the fact that other people will keep making them. I have a 17 year old Siamese in my bathroom right now that someone claimed they did not have the time for. Since care of an indoor cat is such a time consuming proposition (insert massive eye rolling). Fact is, cat is 17, cat needs medical attention, they didn't want to deal so they dumped him.

            If you can think up a law to enact to give people a freakin' heart or a sense of responsibility, you are more creative then I am. In the meantime...we need to continue to put good procedures in place for cleaning up the messes left by bad pet owners.

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            • #26
              Amen, Catknsn.
              Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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              • #27
                For those considering putting their horses down. Consider looking around to see if there is a wildlife refuge that will help out. I have a friend who did that with her horse. The people were wonderful. They put the horse down and took it away. All very compassionate. It helped to feed their wild cats.
                Jennifer

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                • #28
                  Right on Catknsn! I just finished cleaning up someone's "I don't have time for the cat" mess, too! And right on to you, too Arabhorse2 - it just takes a bit of compassion, a concious, and some common sense...

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                  • #29
                    A couple of people have posted that they wouldn't like to see rescues being resorted to as the dog pounds of the horse world, i.e., rescues hate having to make the decision to euthanize a horse. However, if the rescue's mission is to avoid suffering for horses, why shouldn't they view their mission much like the SPCA? The local SPCA takes in any unwanted cat or dog, they euthanize right away the ones that will never be adopted, they keep the adoptable ones while they have room, and many perfectly adoptable ones end up being euthanized. In the shelter staffs' minds, it's better that those cats and dogs get put down than suffer starvation, neglect, the elements, or at best a lifetime in a cage. I agree with them.

                    I think it would be in the best interests of the horses for rescues to adopt this mindset as well, that if they run out of room for adopting the horses that come to them, rather than turn those horses away to face the feedlot, they make room the only other way they can. I know it would be very hard to make that choice, but it would give strength to our argument that slaughter is not a necessary evil and ending it won't result in flooded shelters or more neglected horses, if we could say that rescues are adapting their practices to be the only needed last resort for unwanted horses. I admire rescuers and wouldn't try to tell them how to operate, but I would like to see this option considered.
                    \"Non-violence never solved anything.\" C. Montgomery Burns

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                    • #30
                      If everyone took their responsibilities seriously, and didn't expect someone else to clean up their messes, we wouldn't have unwanted animals. Or children, for that matter.

                      I took this animal and all my others on with the thought that it would be for life. How then could I be a good steward, or continue to look at myself in the mirror, if I went against one of my most valued principles?

                      It's all about doing what's right. Pretty simple concept, but it seems to be one that many people can't comprehend.
                      Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                      • #31
                        Well, I guess killing a quasi-healthy (not terminally ill, chronically suffering, or unrepairably injured) horse who isn't a threat to himself or others, just so some selfish human can feel all saintly and self-gratified about having their horse dead at their order instead of having to think about the horse encountering some unspecified, uncertain, and maybe not even probabable, fate in the future isn't any worse (or any better) than the "greedy" person who wants that last $300 out the old horse's hide and sends it to slaughter.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by catknsn View Post
                          So very honestly, you are pretty much going to have to provide a way for these people to dump off their animals for someone else to euthanize. You cannot magically make them into better people.
                          I agree, but I think the reality is that rescues can neither afford to be that place, nor do they even have the option: how many are NOT overflowing? If slaughter is banned, it will be even worse, so I would suggest that people don't tell others "send him to rescue," but instead say "well, it's your horse, you need to be the one to take care of him, even at the end."

                          I am not suggesting a law or anything like that, I just think we should each do our best to educate people on the reality that rescues often cannot or will not do this for them, nor should they expect them to.
                          "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
                          **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by greysandbays View Post
                            Well, I guess killing a quasi-healthy (not terminally ill, chronically suffering, or unrepairably injured) horse who isn't a threat to himself or others, just so some selfish human can feel all saintly and self-gratified about having their horse dead at their order instead of having to think about the horse encountering some unspecified, uncertain, and maybe not even probabable, fate in the future isn't any worse (or any better) than the "greedy" person who wants that last $300 out the old horse's hide and sends it to slaughter.
                            You're more than welcome to take on my 8 y/o gelding then, should I become financially unable to care for him.

                            However, do NOT try to ride him, stay out of his way or he will run you over, don't get in between him and his pasture mate, and be sure to stay away from his hooves when he rears up while you're leading him.

                            This horse has had training, and never been abused. He's not right in the head, period. I'd rather euthanize him than sell him.

                            If you think that makes me feel saintly, then you're sadly mistaken. Emotionally distraught is closer to the truth.
                            Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by greysandbays View Post
                              Well, I guess killing a quasi-healthy (not terminally ill, chronically suffering, or unrepairably injured) horse who isn't a threat to himself or others, just so some selfish human can feel all saintly and self-gratified about having their horse dead at their order instead of having to think about the horse encountering some unspecified, uncertain, and maybe not even probabable, fate in the future isn't any worse (or any better) than the "greedy" person who wants that last $300 out the old horse's hide and sends it to slaughter.
                              Are you kiding me?? Saintly and self gratified about DOING WHAT IT RIGHT???? NO ONE feels good about euthanizing an animal but sometimes the RIGHT thing isnt always the EASY thing. "At their order"???Again ...are you kdding me? Those of us who have our horses euthanised are not a bunch of Hitlers sending these animals off to their death with glee in our eyes!! Give me a freakin' break...at least if you are going to make a stupid statement think it over before you publish it on a public forum.... Good God.
                              The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by arabhorse2 View Post
                                You're more than welcome to take on my 8 y/o gelding then, should I become financially unable to care for him.

                                However, do NOT try to ride him, stay out of his way or he will run you over, don't get in between him and his pasture mate, and be sure to stay away from his hooves when he rears up while you're leading him.

                                This horse has had training, and never been abused. He's not right in the head, period. I'd rather euthanize him than sell him. If you think that makes me feel saintly, then you're sadly mistaken.
                                But you DO admit that keeping him/euthanizing him makes you feel morally superior to somebody who would send him for slaughter, though, right?

                                If he was mine, I'd feel the same way about killing myself (or by proxy via vet) as I would about sending him for slaughter -- GLAD HE'S GONE!!!! (assuming he's truely as bad as you say and this is no fault of yours). Only difference between the two is I'd have a bit more walking-around money if I let the meat man have him.

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                                • #36
                                  I agree with the OP. If no one wants the horse, humanely euthanize it rather than possibly subjecting it to the horrors of the slaughter industry. I think this should be done more often!

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by greysandbays View Post
                                    If he was mine, I'd feel the same way about killing myself (or by proxy via vet) as I would about sending him for slaughter -- GLAD HE'S GONE!!!! (assuming he's truely as bad as you say and this is no fault of yours). Only difference between the two is I'd have a bit more walking-around money if I let the meat man have him.

                                    You don't see the difference between having the vet come out and put him down in his own pasture, and trucking him three days to be held in a feedlot for a few weeks before killing him in a process never intended for horses?

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Jumphigh83 View Post
                                      Are you kiding me?? Saintly and self gratified about DOING WHAT IT RIGHT???? NO ONE feels good about euthanizing an animal but sometimes the RIGHT thing isnt always the EASY thing. "At their order"???Again ...are you kdding me? Those of us who have our horses euthanised are not a bunch of Hitlers sending these animals off to their death with glee in our eyes!! Give me a freakin' break...at least if you are going to make a stupid statement think it over before you publish it on a public forum.... Good God.
                                      "Euthanize" is only really "euthanize" if it actually ends suffering. Otherwise, it's killing for convenience. If you wish to do this to your horse, I do not deny that you should have the right to do so. I will not, however, prostrate myself at your feet in admiration for you having done "WHAT IT [sic] RIGHT". It wasn't "RIGHT". It was one of a number of options, and the one you chose for whatever reason. You don't get a medal for it.

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                                      • #39
                                        Did not ask for a medal..just ask that we not be JUDGED by people who have NO idea what the circumstances are .... Must be nice up there on your HIGH HORSE. Dont get a nose bleed up there.
                                        The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by greysandbays View Post
                                          But you DO admit that keeping him/euthanizing him makes you feel morally superior to somebody who would send him for slaughter, though, right?

                                          If he was mine, I'd feel the same way about killing myself (or by proxy via vet) as I would about sending him for slaughter -- GLAD HE'S GONE!!!! (assuming he's truely as bad as you say and this is no fault of yours). Only difference between the two is I'd have a bit more walking-around money if I let the meat man have him.
                                          Not true. I have no problem if you want to send your horse to slaughter. It's just not something I would do. And we all do what we can live with, right? And if I just wanted him gone, then I wouldn't have decided to keep him as long as he's physically healthy. I would have already had him put down.

                                          Hardly morally superior. We do for our animals as we see fit, and if your lifestyle includes slaughter, then so be it. I'm not rabidly anti-slaughter; in fact, I'm fairly abivalent about the whole thing.

                                          I would however, like to see humane treatment of all animals sent to slaughter.
                                          Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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