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  • #41
    Regardless of whether the trainer is trustworthy or not, let's remember that IHB is an excited teen, and as a former horse crazy teen myself, I bought everything under the sun. Now in my early 30's, I have yet to buy my own horse, but gosh, I could open up a tack shop!

    If you have to buy boots...for whatever the reason... they are YOUR BOOTS. Not your trainer's boots in the end. Also, for walking and trotting, you don't need a $60+ pair of Woof boots. Get yourself a pair of neoprene brushing boots for $15 at Dover. Make sure your name (NOT the horse's name) is on them so there is no question who they belong to.

    I am guessing that the horse is getting more use with you daily, rather than once in a while for lessons. He probably brushes himself trotting. Yes, the trainer should be responsible for the boots, but if you buy a pair keep them, because it's something you can use again down the road.

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    • #42
      Vxf, she's said that there is ONE saddle--an endurance saddle that fits. But other than that, nope. So what is it that the other kids have ridden him in? What are the other kids riding him in in the other lessons? I think you summed things up pretty well. IHB, don't walk, RUN away. Find another place and another trainer. Either this one is deliberately and maliciously scamming you or is a complete and dangerous idiot. None of us on here want to see you hurt.

      Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
      Wait, I just caught the fact that there is NO saddle in the barn that fits this horse... ever (I had though there were several and you were just worried they'd be in use on other schoolies at the times you needed them). Something is VERY odd about this situation:

      *You're a beginner rider, learning to canter, doing W/T
      *Your trainer has you mounted on, and half leasing, a green horse that very few people can ride that only goes in a bosal (even though you've expressed interest in showing and a hackamore really isn't a traditional bridle for a hunter)
      *Recently, it has been suggested you start riding in spurs
      *Your trainer thought it was okay for you to pay to half lease this horse before you had permission to ride outside of lessons, so you would have been paying for rides you couldn't actually use
      *Now you are half leasing him, and suddenly there's no saddle that fits him and your trainer thinks you need to go buy a Wintec (maybe the reality is that SHE needs another Wintec or two for her lesson program-- since there seems to be fewer saddle than horses and now nothing fits Luke at all)
      *And your trainer suddenly wants you to buy SMB boots for her horse that you're mostly riding W/T

      Either there's something being left out of the story that makes all of this make sense or else it seems like you're being taken advantage of. I too rode with a trainer who I though was great, and a half leased a horse. I bought some tack for him-- and when the half lease was over she tried to take the tack! Uh uh!!! That's not how it works.

      Now if you're just gung ho to buy a bunch of tack because it's fun and you don't mind spending the money-- that's fine. But if your trainer is telling your non-horsey mom that she has to run out and buy a bunch of extraneous (and seemingly unecessary) items just so you can ride-- then that's not right. Maybe you could half lease a different schoolie-- one that already has all his tack and equipment purchased by the trainer/owner?
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      • #43
        I would also take any and all equipment you buy for him home with you each day. Do not let your trainer use it for her lesson program. I think she thinks she is going to get you to buy equipment she needs, that she will be able to use whenever she wants. If you really want to buy it, go ahead, but ONLY take it to the barn when you are going to ride, and then take it home with you to make sure no one else (not even your trainer) uses it. If your trainer wants to use it, she can buy her own stuff.

        This seems totally shady to me.
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        • #44
          Sorry IHB, but I'm with everyone else. This whole situation just isn't right.

          To reiterate:
          1) Anything a lesson horse needs for basic W-T-C he should already have. You are NOT doing 'advanced' work with this horse that requires special gear.
          2) A half-lease is very different from a full lease. In a full-lease it would be commonly expected for you to supply his gear. In a half-lease, you are basically paying to be able to ride a horse a few days a week outside of your lessons. In a half-lease the OWNER almost always supplies the gear (some exceptions being that sometimes riders prefer their own saddles & will use those if they fit the horse. Or will use their show gear b/c lesson horses do not usually have it.)


          Jeepgirl is right...do NOT leave anything you buy at the barn. Take it home each & every day. It belongs to you, not your trainer.

          And, in the meantime, I would suggest asking around the area with long time experienced horse people (farriers, vets, people who have been successfully showing at reputable shows--ie, not 4-H fair--) about who they recommend for beginner riders & who they recommend steering away from and WHY. One of two things will happen...either you'll get reassurance that your trainer is as good a person as you think OR you'll learn that maybe you've been being taken for a ride. (Of course, don't take one person's word for it. And be sure to ask 'why'. And just because someone has been riding for 50 years doesn't mean they know what they're doing. There's a few like that in my area that think they know everything & talk a good game but their training methods are exclusively 'buck 'em out & ride 'em 'till they break'. They hate my trainer & really wish she wouldn't have moved here...she keeps showing them up! )
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          • #45


            Originally posted by Parysa View Post
            Vxf, she's said that there is ONE saddle--an endurance saddle that fits. But other than that, nope. So what is it that the other kids have ridden him in? What are the other kids riding him in in the other lessons? I think you summed things up pretty well. IHB, don't walk, RUN away. Find another place and another trainer. Either this one is deliberately and maliciously scamming you or is a complete and dangerous idiot. None of us on here want to see you hurt.
            You're right, I wasn't very clear. There is the endurance saddle, but I don't think its fair for a lesson program to expect a beginner rider to learn riding huntseat in an endurance saddle.

            I think the lesson program needs to pony up for some new tack, not the OP. If I showed up for a huntseat lesson and the trainer said "oh, we actually don't have a close contact saddle that fits this horse, and oh by the way can you buy him SMS?" I'd leave! Now I happen to have my own saddle that I bring when I take lessons at other barns in the area-- but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be expected to have the necessary tack for their own schoolies!
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            • #46
              leg warmers are back in vogue this year for peeps - under miniskirts, fwiw.
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                #47
                A) Luke is only used for threapy lessons on Saturday (just walking and leading around)
                B) I am his main rider



                he wears bell boots on all 4 feet since he overreaches and he can be clumsly when riding. When the threapy kids ride him I am assuming he is in the enduance saddle (But I'm never there on Saturday so I don't know). I bring my own grooming kit with me every time and I take it home afterwards. My trainer said Luke is my horse now so she pays other half of stall rent/vet/farrier/deworming/ most tack. I have to buy things for him SOMETIMES, not all the time.


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                • #48
                  [QUOTE=My trainer said Luke is my horse now so she pays other half of stall rent/vet/farrier/deworming/ most tack. I have to buy things for him SOMETIMES, not all the time.[/QUOTE]

                  Then you have a half lease arrangement unlike any I have seen. But that's okay, if that's what was worked out ahead of time-- then that seems fine.

                  But frankly, it seems more cost effective to lease one of the schoolies that already has all its own tack. SMBs (for the record, I think splint boots or polos are more appropriate if the problem is interference) are something like $80-100 and a new saddle could cost from $400-whatever. That's a LOT to expect a half leaser to go out and buy.

                  As an example, I half lease my pony. I provide all equipment-- bridle, saddle, saddle pads, girth, brushes, etc. The lessor gets to ride him 3 days a week, I ride him the other 3. If she shows, she pays all the show expenses, I provide his show stuff- she provides her own show clothing. In exchange for using him 3 days/week she pays half of board+shoeing. I pay for his supplements-- though I have seen those split too. The only thing she had to buy other than her own clothing was her own stirrup leathers and irons and that's because she's 9 and the stirrups on my saddle were sized for an adult. If I had half leased to an adult or teen, there would have been no tack to buy.

                  I think you'll find the norm is that a person half leasing a school horse for 3 days/week of walk trot work, with some canter as the rider progresses, is not expected to purchase a saddle or other items of equipment that are for the horse rather than the rider. If your agreement is otherwise, that's fine but I think you (or whoever is paying) should probably realize that this is not the norm.
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                  • #49
                    get a set of cheapo neoprene boots for $15/pair and take them home with you when you leave the barn .
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by iheartbuea View Post
                      A) Luke is only used for threapy lessons on Saturday (just walking and leading around)
                      B) I am his main rider



                      he wears bell boots on all 4 feet since he overreaches and he can be clumsly when riding. When the threapy kids ride him I am assuming he is in the enduance saddle (But I'm never there on Saturday so I don't know). I bring my own grooming kit with me every time and I take it home afterwards. My trainer said Luke is my horse now so she pays other half of stall rent/vet/farrier/deworming/ most tack. I have to buy things for him SOMETIMES, not all the time.


                      ihb
                      ihb, everyone here understands that you are very excited about your half lease and you love luke, so im sure its not easy to hear all these negative things. but the people on here are for the most part, very experienced and have very good advice. usually, when a horse is being HALF or partially leased it is for riding purposes, and all necesary equipment is provided . to everyone else, it just sounds like the trainer is trying to get you to buy things for luke, so maybe she can use it if he is ridden by other riders, or even for other horses when you are not there. by telling you that he is "your" horse now, that seems odd because that makes it seem like by making you think you "own" him, you will buy more stuff that she can take advantage of. there is really no need at all for smbs for the type of work you are doing. if boots are REALLY needed, i agree with the others who said go buy some splint boots.

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                      • #51
                        If I had a horse that required bell boots even on the rear legs, I would wonder if there wasn't some improvement that my farrier could make in its shoeing. That's drastic.

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                        • #52
                          I'm with CuriousJorge... what do the bellboots behind accomplish?

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by CuriosoJorge View Post
                            If I had a horse that required bell boots even on the rear legs, I would wonder if there wasn't some improvement that my farrier could make in its shoeing. That's drastic.
                            I was thinking the same thing-the only time I have seen this is on a mare that her rear right hoof and bells were put on her hinds to keep her from dinging it while it healed. As a result, she would take a step, shake her foot to try to get the bell boot off, take another step, shake the other foot to try to get the other bell boot off, repeat...
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                            • #54
                              For horses, when I hear "leg warmers", I think of polos. I'm in agreement with others about getting splint boots. Davis makes a good tough pair!

                              Now, as others have mentioned, I too am leery of this set-up in your lease. I'm also leery of beginners riding a horse so clumsy he needs bell boots on all fours. ESPECIALLY for theraputic riding. Having seen the pictures of the facility, I'm kind of shocked this trainer is so lacking in equipment (boots for the horse, saddle...). It looked like a really nice facility.
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                              • #55
                                How do the bell boots on the hind feet help with the overreaching? I understand using bells on the fronts, as is the norm. I think I've only seen bell boots on all 4 feet in 3 cases:

                                1) polocrosse horses
                                2) A few eventers I know use them on all 4 feet for cross country
                                3) horses with injuries to the hind foot -- or, in one case, on a horse with a rotated rear foot (that resulted from an old injury) that would rub against his other foot
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                                  #56
                                  luke has took a shoe off in the crossties so my trainer is trying to prevent that


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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by iheartbuea View Post
                                    luke has took a shoe off in the crossties so my trainer is trying to prevent that


                                    ihb
                                    HUH? so how is that your problem? you do not own this horse, you pay to RIDE him so why is the trainer throwing it on you to take care of this?
                                    edited: oops, i think you were answering a question about the bell boots, but still it really does not make sense as to why all of sudden, YOU need to buy these boots, or anything else for luke, if he didnt "need" them before you half leased him why the heck does he need them now? the whole thing about only having an endurance saddle to ride in is really weird as well..
                                    Last edited by black&white; Sep. 18, 2006, 10:19 PM.

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                                      #58
                                      i read everything everyone has said, i am just confused and angry since i love my trainer and my barn and there is no way i could leave it.


                                      ihb
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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by Duramax View Post
                                        I'm with CuriousJorge... what do the bellboots behind accomplish?
                                        Not that I like it but we have a horse at my college that must wear the bell boots all around. He over reaches with his hinds to rip his fronts off....but he wears them behind since he has horrible conformation. This conformation leads to his back feet basically paddling and he finds it amusing when standing out in the field to step on his own feet and rip his shoes off. A new pair of bell boots is much much cheaper then having the farrier come out all the time.

                                        PS: I don't understand why we have the horse we do....he's scopey over fences and easy to ride....so I've heard...Not that I want to try.
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                                        • #60
                                          One way to handle this is to hold your head up, smile sweetly and tell her that you do like leasing duke a lot and he's a real sweetheart, but you're not his owner and really shouldn't be buying such an expensive thing for him. If he really does need those boots, he should get them.

                                          Whenever someone tries to take advantage of you the smiling and talking sweetly and acting like you're very interested in what they say tends to let things slide, even though what you're saying is, "that's nice, but I don't think so" I think part of it is that you're baffling them and they dont' know what to do

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