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  • #21
    IHB, I'd email your trainer back and ask why she/he thinks Luke needs the boots and I'd also look over your lease contract to see where and if it states that you are responsible for buying tack for him. B/c if it's not in your contract, you shouldn't have to spend money on a horse that isn't yours. Save it for when you can have your own horse. Also, I'd make sure that if you do buy the boots for Luke that they belong to YOU not the trainer. That's part of what you're paying for in the lease, is equipment. I know you like your trainer, but sometimes people aren't as honest as they appear and you have to be wary in situations like this. So make sure the trainer isn't trying to take advantage of you, don't just say, "Oh, but he/she is sooo nice, he/she would never do that!" I assure you, if they can, many will.
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    • #22
      I would wonder why he suddenly needs boots that he didn't need before, and why you are the one that has to pay for them. Since you are only half-leasing, are the boots going to be used during the time when other people are riding him? Will he still need them even when you are done leasing him? In that case the instructor or horse's owner should buy them. I just can't imagine why a horse would need sports medicine boots with one particular rider and not with others.
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        #23
        my trainer said b/c i am doing more advanced ridng with him
        iheartbuea

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        • #24
          Originally posted by iheartbuea View Post
          my trainer said b/c i am doing more advanced ridng with him
          You're walking and trotting, inside an arena, right? Regardless, the need for sports med boots would be something about the horse -- the way he goes, an old or new injury, something of that nature -- not necessarily about the nature of the work. Lots of horses do "advanced riding" without sports med boots, and lots of people think that there are better leg-protection options out there. If I were you, I'd find out specifically why your trainer thinks Luke needs sports med boots. (Maybe she just meant splint or brushing boots.) If you just want to buy them because they sound fun to have -- hey, go for it, that's your decision. But if you are really trying to figure out whether or not to buy them, I'd find out a bit more from your trainer. --Jess

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          • #25
            Is Luke being used in lessons and such when you aren't riding him? If so, I don't think it's your responsability to buy him anything. My trainer has a box full of splint boots for all of the lesson ponies that go on for jumping. Nobody is required to buy anything for horses they lease, not even the full-leases that involve regular shows.

            Personally, I think it sounds like she's taking advantage of your willingness to buy whatever she tells you you "need." At this stage, you do not NEED anything other than a schooling helmet, a pair of paddock boots, and riding pants or half chaps if you so choose. I know you have more, but you most certainly shouldn't be buying things for a horse that isn't yours and you aren't fully responsible for.

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            • #26
              I'm confused about why he would NEED SMBs based on what you're doing - I generally only thinks horses need support boots when they jump or do a lot of canter/complicated work - SMBs for a horse who's walk trotting seems like overkill IMO. Ask your trainer for details/clarification on why Luke needs them and why it's your responsiblity to buy them.

              I never bought things for my lease horses - their owners supplied everything. If something broke while I was there, I replaced it, but I never bought things that they got to keep...
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              • #27
                If he needed them to do something as simple as trotting, wouldn't he have them already? Or has he just never trotted before? This is making no sense.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Kapster View Post
                  If he needed them to do something as simple as trotting, wouldn't he have them already? Or has he just never trotted before? This is making no sense.

                  i know right?

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                  • #29
                    You don't need SMB...if all you need is some sort of boots for leg protection, get some splint boots

                    getting SMB's for walk/trot stuff is like getting eskadrons for turnout...a BIG waste of money!

                    I also agree with others that it is the owner's responsibility to buy these items unless your lease agreement specifically says otherwise.

                    all in all....buy some simple splint boots--you'll save a good $50-$60

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                    • #30
                      I agree with the others that have stated that this trainer seems to be taking advantage of you. I think that a person half leasing a schoolie shouldn't have to purchase all this equipment. The horse should already have a saddle, wraps, bridle, and what ever they may need.

                      When I full leased my horse this summer, I purchased everything because in the lease agreement that was the terms.

                      A horse would need more leg protection if you would be jumping, doing roll backs, combinations, oxers, and cross country. Not for a person just doing walk trot work. I also think Sports Med boots are overkill for the type of work you are doing. Plus I have seen articles that these boots do not provide much more extensive protection then spint boots or open fronts.

                      You seem to be an advanced beginner, you still have a lot to learn.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by SmplySweet1021 View Post
                        I agree with the others that have stated that this trainer seems to be taking advantage of you. I think that a person half leasing a schoolie shouldn't have to purchase all this equipment. The horse should already have a saddle, wraps, bridle, and what ever they may need.
                        You know what? That brings up something else. Why doesn't the trainer have but ONE saddle in the whole barn that fits HER horse??? IHB, I really, really think this person is trying to take advantage of you and get free stuff that she's not willing to buy her horse herself. Be careful, hon. This really doesn't sound right at all.
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Parysa View Post
                          You know what? That brings up something else. Why doesn't the trainer have but ONE saddle in the whole barn that fits HER horse??? IHB, I really, really think this person is trying to take advantage of you and get free stuff that she's not willing to buy her horse herself. Be careful, hon. This really doesn't sound right at all.
                          yep your right, something seems really odd about it... i dont know why a trainer would tell a student that they are doing "advanced work" when they are w/t and learning to canter.. makes no sense. or why she would tell you that you "need" to buy those boots for a horse she owns. unless you are dying to go buy a pair of the boots she suggested, i would definitly ask for a very clear explanation as to WHY luke needs them, because it sounds like she is taking advantage of you so that you'll buy the boots for the horse.. very confusing story

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                          • #33
                            To me, it sounds like the trainer is playing off on IHB's excitement and inexperience (no offense, IHB) and is trying to make her feel like she's further along by saying she's doing "advanced" work in order to get free stuff. I think IHB is getting taken for a ride, and it's not by Luke.
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Parysa View Post
                              To me, it sounds like the trainer is playing off on IHB's excitement and inexperience (no offense, IHB) and is trying to make her feel like she's further along by saying she's doing "advanced" work in order to get free stuff. I think IHB is getting taken for a ride, and it's not by Luke.
                              Yep I agree with that 100%. I have a feeling though that IHB will come back to these comments and express her admiration for her trainer and say that we are wrong. But I did that once too with my first trainer, I told everyone one she was so great and things that she did were right. That is until I switched to my show barn and saw how things really were. Then I realized how wrong things were in the first barn.
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                              • #35
                                I agree with everyone else. You are leasing this horse and suddenly he needs expensive boots for more advanced flat work? In lease situations at my farm, if a horse needs bell boots or splint boots, they come with the horse. I can't really see why a horse would need SMBs. Horses show at the top levels of many diciplines without any type of boots. I would take a step back and start asking some questions.
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                                • #36
                                  ??

                                  Wait, I just caught the fact that there is NO saddle in the barn that fits this horse... ever (I had though there were several and you were just worried they'd be in use on other schoolies at the times you needed them). Something is VERY odd about this situation:

                                  *You're a beginner rider, learning to canter, doing W/T
                                  *Your trainer has you mounted on, and half leasing, a green horse that very few people can ride that only goes in a bosal (even though you've expressed interest in showing and a hackamore really isn't a traditional bridle for a hunter)
                                  *Recently, it has been suggested you start riding in spurs
                                  *Your trainer thought it was okay for you to pay to half lease this horse before you had permission to ride outside of lessons, so you would have been paying for rides you couldn't actually use
                                  *Now you are half leasing him, and suddenly there's no saddle that fits him and your trainer thinks you need to go buy a Wintec (maybe the reality is that SHE needs another Wintec or two for her lesson program-- since there seems to be fewer saddle than horses and now nothing fits Luke at all)
                                  *And your trainer suddenly wants you to buy SMB boots for her horse that you're mostly riding W/T

                                  Either there's something being left out of the story that makes all of this make sense or else it seems like you're being taken advantage of. I too rode with a trainer who I though was great, and a half leased a horse. I bought some tack for him-- and when the half lease was over she tried to take the tack! Uh uh!!! That's not how it works.

                                  Now if you're just gung ho to buy a bunch of tack because it's fun and you don't mind spending the money-- that's fine. But if your trainer is telling your non-horsey mom that she has to run out and buy a bunch of extraneous (and seemingly unecessary) items just so you can ride-- then that's not right. Maybe you could half lease a different schoolie-- one that already has all his tack and equipment purchased by the trainer/owner?
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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by iheartbuea View Post
                                    my trainer just e-mailed me back he needs sport boots which i am assuming are sport medcine boots


                                    ihb
                                    Last I looked, those were about a hundred bucks. And, according to good sense (and my vet), useless. Fine for protection from mild impact, but so are $20 splint boots. Useless for support. Think it through: One small strip of stretchy neoprene trying to support 1000 pounds of horse? Not even close, unless you're gullible.

                                    Plus, if your leased horse "needs" them, his owner should provide . Save your $$ for more lessons. Preferably where your trainer is not trying to take advantage of you.
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                                    • #38
                                      ihb, I hope you get to keep all the stuff you buy when your lease ends...
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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Renn/aissance View Post
                                        Why does your trainer not want your horse to go in polos?
                                        I can't speak for IHB, but i know about a year ago my trainer banned polos from school horses b/c he was sick of kids putting them on wrong and him worrying about their tendons. Now if you want to use polos you can only use them on your own horse and have to wrap and have him inspect them a few times to prove you can do it.

                                        As for the whole buying for a leased horse thing. I've always bought equipment for my leased horses...but it stayed my equipment even when the horse was no longer being leased by me. IHB if your trainer is trying to get you to buy this stuff FOR him to STAY with him, dont. If she is saying he would benefit from them, and you have the money, and will be able to keep the items you buy, and most importantly WANT to buy the items then i see no problem with it.
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Redhead310 View Post
                                          I can't speak for IHB, but i know about a year ago my trainer banned polos from school horses b/c he was sick of kids putting them on wrong and him worrying about their tendons. Now if you want to use polos you can only use them on your own horse and have to wrap and have him inspect them a few times to prove you can do it.

                                          As for the whole buying for a leased horse thing. I've always bought equipment for my leased horses...but it stayed my equipment even when the horse was no longer being leased by me. IHB if your trainer is trying to get you to buy this stuff FOR him to STAY with him, dont. If she is saying he would benefit from them, and you have the money, and will be able to keep the items you buy, and most importantly WANT to buy the items then i see no problem with it.
                                          If you are partially leasing a school horse, why would he need boots for you and no other lessons? I think lots of people new to leasing may get caught up in the excitement of having a horse and buy some new doo dads for the animal, but I guess I just question why a trainer would ask you to do this. It just sounds a little suspect to me.
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