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  • #61
    Originally posted by DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho" View Post
    And one of the things I have noticed about people who define themselves as "doing Parelli" or "doing Lyons" is that if you are not part of the group, you will go to Horsemanship Hell."
    I do Parelli. And I do not think you are going to Horsemanship Hell.

    Many people integrate Parelli into other disciplines and fully realize it is just one of multiple roads leading to the same place. But as others have pointed out, there are over-zealous followers who aren't open-minded, and yeah, they can be a pain.

    I started riding as an adult and all that was available were riding lessons, not horsemanship lessons. Unfortunately my first barn was a "use a bigger bit, get a tie-down, show him whose boss" type of place. It's hard to recognize common-sense horsemanship when you learn to ride in a place that uses quick fixes rather than good horsesense. For me, the Parelli program was a way to fix holes in my equestrian education. There are other teachers, methods, programs, etc, but the parelli DVDs suited me best.
    ...somewhere between the talent and the potato....

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    • #62
      Where's the tent revival?

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      • #63
        Where's the tent revival?
        Are you ready to be saved Jeepers? To confess your dastardly equine deeds before the High Council and plead forgiveness? To welcome the light of Enlightment?

        For only $399.99 you can order the complete Redemption CD set and begin your journey to salvation. (optional twirlyflickitatem string not included).

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        • #64
          Originally posted by TBLvr View Post
          Are you ready to be saved Jeepers? To confess your dastardly equine deeds before the High Council and plead forgiveness? To welcome the light of Enlightment?

          For only $399.99 you can order the complete Redemption CD set and begin your journey to salvation. (optional twirlyflickitatem string not included).
          BLASPHEMER!!! INFIDEL!!! NON-BELIEVER!!!! I smite you with the Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance!
          Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by TBLvr View Post
            Are you ready to be saved Jeepers? To confess your dastardly equine deeds before the High Council and plead forgiveness? To welcome the light of Enlightment?

            For only $399.99 you can order the complete Redemption CD set and begin your journey to salvation. (optional twirlyflickitatem string not included).


            Oh, but I want Pat to place his hand on my forehead and exclaim, "See the light!" while I quake from the power of Natural Horsemanship as it overcomes me! Then I'd probably jump up and exclaim that I have left my horse abusing ways behind me and embrace the love of Natural Horsemanship and I shall now communicate with my horse! Then there would probably be more more testifying, dancing, etc. How much is that gonna cost me? Pat will probably bring people out of the audience and exclaim that he knows that they're having xyz problem with their horse, and preach to them while they're flabbergasted that he knew and become believers, born-again natural horsemen

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            • #66
              Originally posted by arabhorse2 View Post
              BLASPHEMER!!! INFIDEL!!! NON-BELIEVER!!!! I smite you with the Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance!


              Must...not...drink...while...reading...COTH...
              Proud member of the EDRF

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              • #67
                As long as they don't dunk you in a water trough or do the baptism by fire...but too late for me. I have already fallen far from grace.

                "I smite you with the Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance!" - this is simply brilliant.
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                • #68
                  HAH!

                  <<Must...not...drink...while...reading...coth!>>

                  Actually, I find it sometimes helps !
                  Robin

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Jeepers View Post
                    Oh, but I want Pat to place his hand on my forehead and exclaim, "See the light!" while I quake from the power of Natural Horsemanship as it overcomes me! Then I'd probably jump up and exclaim that I have left my horse abusing ways behind me and embrace the love of Natural Horsemanship and I shall now communicate with my horse! Then there would probably be more more testifying, dancing, etc. How much is that gonna cost me? Pat will probably bring people out of the audience and exclaim that he knows that they're having xyz problem with their horse, and preach to them while they're flabbergasted that he knew and become believers, born-again natural horsemen
                    Will you be speaking in tongues, too?

                    And Geek, I occasionally have brief flashes of brilliance, but alas, they are few and far between!!!
                    Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                      #70
                      You seem angry at anything NH

                      Originally posted by Kementari View Post
                      So here's my question: if you are all so happy with how nice your horseys are now that you have applied several fancy expensive techniques to them, why do you feel the need to make everyone else join your fan club? Are you THAT insecure?! If the results speak for themselves, then LET the results speak for themselves.
                      Was I? I didn't think I was. I don't care if you ride a mule backwards using your toes and gummy bears reins to steer. I just enjoy discussing the NH methods, the opinions, the experiences with others who feel the same. I practice other types of horsemanship too. Why do you feel the need to make assumptions about me that I am a extremist Parelli fan that hates everything else? Why are you angry about people discussing NH? I am not recruiting, I am trying to break down STEREOTYPES and MISINFORMATION fabricated by people who haven't studied the program in depth.

                      And why did someone feel it neccessary to start the "Parellis" thread which focuses on crticizing and making fun of anything called NH? Are they THAT insecure that they need to have everyone else join their fan club? If the results speak for themselves, then LET the parelli-hater results speak for themselves.

                      Sheesh!

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                      • #71
                        BLASPHEMER!!! INFIDEL!!! NON-BELIEVER!!!! I smite you with the Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance!
                        I always yield easily before a smite-swung Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance.

                        btw Arabhorse, if Red House is the Red House just outside Rustburg, then we're neighbors.

                        (and no, I am not the guy who asked you out to dinner after you had fallen off your horse!)

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                          #72
                          Fanatically Fair

                          Originally posted by DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho" View Post
                          And as far as the prosyletizing - we are all on the same page that the Parelli, Lyons etc methods are, for the most part, extensions of classical, good sense horsemanship. Therefore, there is more than one path to true elightenment, as it were. And one of the things I have noticed about people who define themselves as "doing Parelli" or "doing Lyons" is that if you are not part of the group, you will go to Horsemanship Hell." I am not saying this isn't true of many fanatics (I use the term fanatics meaning fan of) for many disciplines.
                          Well I could have introduced you to 40 Parelli students at my last fun day in August that were far from "fanatics". There are many intellgent, reasonable people doing this, they far outweigh the freaks no matter how dissappointing it is to believe that. (And all 40 were RIDING their horses.) I think people find it easier to hate, make fun of, disparrage, make judgements and be negative about new or different things than objectively learn and analyze. People ENJOY being mean and negative. That is human nature and the core of prejudice. It has no place in a person's behaviour when your goal is to learn and get better with horses.

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by TBLvr View Post
                            I always yield easily before a smite-swung Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance.

                            btw Arabhorse, if Red House is the Red House just outside Rustburg, then we're neighbors.

                            (and no, I am not the guy who asked you out to dinner after you had fallen off your horse!)
                            I'd like to burn your stick. I'm sick of hearing about it. Or get one of my own that I can hit people with in the virtual media sense.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by TBLvr View Post
                              I always yield easily before a smite-swung Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance.

                              btw Arabhorse, if Red House is the Red House just outside Rustburg, then we're neighbors.

                              (and no, I am not the guy who asked you out to dinner after you had fallen off your horse!)
                              Thank Gawd!!! Then yes, I will admit that you'n me is neighbors.

                              I go through Rustburg during the week to and from work. I work in Forest, so down 615 to 24 to 501/460 is the shortest route for me.
                              Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by naturallyso View Post
                                I'd like to burn your stick. I'm sick of hearing about it. Or get one of my own that I can hit people with in the virtual media sense.
                                Hm, no sense of humor is the mark of a fanatic.... Trust me, I've seen enough religious ones.

                                And you're more than welcome to get yer own Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance. Just make sure you get the official $49.95 one, with the additional flickitater for $15.95, or you won't be able to smite anyone.
                                Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by Jeepers View Post
                                  Where's the tent revival?
                                  You and a few others don't seem to be getting the whole reason this thread started. Share, exchange info, techniques, discuss... If you are just interested in perpetuating the whole kohlrabi-stick, pat and linda doll, trainwreck thing ad nauseum, you will probably be more at home here...
                                  http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...=39158&page=45
                                  If you are not interested in talking about your experiences, and you just want to perpetuate the negativity, you are welcome to stop reading and writing in this thread.

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                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by Robyn View Post
                                    I just don't get the whole wiggle the line have my horse go backwards thing, or crouching down to "invite" the horse into my space...but that's just me.

                                    I do think you can learn something from everybody, but it's the DEVOTION that I find rather strange...!
                                    Robin
                                    The crouching down makes you smaller to a horse, making you seem less intimidating. If it's a cute horse in a pasture you just want to pet thats fine but I don't agree with doing that with a horse you plan to work with extensively. Your basically saying "Come over here! I'm small and can't hurt you!" Than you grab their halter and proceed to push them around. To me that makes the horse feel tricked and starts the relationship off in an untrustworthy manner. A horse will respect you more if you approach him standing tall with your shoulders back. It may take a little longer to gain his attention but it will be the right kind of attention-respectful attention.

                                    This is just my opinion of course.
                                    I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

                                    -The 6th Member Of The Bareback Riders Clique-

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by naturallyso View Post
                                      Was I? I didn't think I was. I don't care if you ride a mule backwards using your toes and gummy bears reins to steer. I just enjoy discussing the NH methods, the opinions, the experiences with others who feel the same. I practice other types of horsemanship too. Why do you feel the need to make assumptions about me that I am a extremist Parelli fan that hates everything else? Why are you angry about people discussing NH? I am not recruiting, I am trying to break down STEREOTYPES and MISINFORMATION fabricated by people who haven't studied the program in depth.

                                      And why did someone feel it neccessary to start the "Parellis" thread which focuses on crticizing and making fun of anything called NH? Are they THAT insecure that they need to have everyone else join their fan club? If the results speak for themselves, then LET the parelli-hater results speak for themselves.

                                      Sheesh!
                                      Why do you assume that those of us who think the Parellis are whacked are "angry?" Believe me, if I'm going to use the energy to get angry it's not going to be over someone as useless as Pat Parelli! Do you not understand that people can disagree with something (or someone) - even disagree STRONGLY - and not be "angry?"

                                      And, though the facts of the situation probably don't matter to you, the person who started the other Parellis thread was asking for opinions one way or the other. S/he got opinions. The question posed was answered. I'm sorry you weren't here to defend your precious Pat at the beginning, but, well, them's the breaks.

                                      A "stereotype" is not necessarily untrue. It is generally not true of every single member of a group, but if it's true of 95% of them and you do not want it to be true of you, perhaps you should join a new group.

                                      Let me put it this way: out of DOZENS of Parelli-ites I have known, I have met TWO who were true horsemen (well, horsewomen, as the case may be). TWO. That's a pretty sad success rate, wouldn't you say?

                                      (And, for the record, those two are at levels 1 & 2, so it's not just that someone becomes a better horseman as they advance. I've known others at higher levels who I wouldn't have let touch my horse with a ten foot pole. Or a ten foot vegetable stick, for that matter. )
                                      Proud member of the EDRF

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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by gentleBrook* View Post
                                        You and a few others don't seem to be getting the whole reason this thread started. Share, exchange info, techniques, discuss... If you are just interested in perpetuating the whole kohlrabi-stick, pat and linda doll, trainwreck thing ad nauseum, you will probably be more at home here...
                                        http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...=39158&page=45
                                        If you are not interested in talking about your experiences, and you just want to perpetuate the negativity, you are welcome to stop reading and writing in this thread.
                                        Sorry gentlebrook*, it don't work that way. If you start a thread on a public BB, you can't tell everyone who doesn't agree with you that it's off limits. Start a blog, where you can invite only those who are of the same mindset as you.

                                        This isn't your sandbox; it's everyone's who posts on here. I may not agree with everyone on everything, and we all have different, sometimes radically opposite opinions, but you're not going to last long without a sense of humor.

                                        I have Arabians. If I got my panties in a wad every time someone said something about them crazy Ayrabs, I'd have a perpetual wedgie!

                                        I can also make fun at myself. I happen to be a Catholic who converted to Pentecostal. I know all about tent revivals, speaking in tongues, and being overcome by the Holy Spirit. Did you see me scream at Jeepers for her post? No, I jumped right in.

                                        Get over yourselves. NH isn't new, and the Parelli's ain't the Second Coming of Horsemanship.
                                        Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by arabhorse2 View Post
                                          Hm, no sense of humor is the mark of a fanatic.... Trust me, I've seen enough religious ones.

                                          And you're more than welcome to get yer own Kholrabi Stick of Vengeance. Just make sure you get the official $49.95 one, with the additional flickitater for $15.95, or you won't be able to smite anyone.

                                          Say it ain't so!!! The flickitator doesn't come with the Kohlrhabi Stick of Vengeance? What about the deluxe model???

                                          And Arabhorse2 - if I've done the math correctly, Parelli isn't teh Second Coming but more like the tenth or twelfth.
                                          www.specialhorses.org
                                          a 501(c)3 organization helping 501(c)3 equine rescues

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