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  • Sannois - even if you have one horse - you got screwed without dinner and a movie too.

    Even if you have one horse. Or one aged retired pony. Donkey. 3 laying hens. A partridge in a pear tree.

    You gotta have it chipped, and you gotta buy a scanner. Direct costs of NAIS are borne by the animal owner.

    Those who have large numbers of animals - big ag producers - get lot number so they don't have to chip 5000 chickens. It's the small livestock owner that is bearing the brunt. Organic farmers, small family farms, the local guy - the local horse owner.

    And it does not track lost or stolen animals - many horse owners think NAIS is intended to find lost or stolen pets.

    I'll even have to chip my goats. They never leave the property but I'll have to chip them anyway. Cha ching.



    Originally posted by Sannois
    It seems to me that many of you have more than one horse.. I am lucky to have the one. I guess it is nice to be able to take in some extra ones, I would imagine that your concerns about, the NAIS is bigger than the one horse owner.. I may be wrong, I cant gwt thru the dang documents, I had enough trouble getting thru the info Jetsmom gave me regarding Meat regulations export and testing! By the way, dont shoot me for being Dumb.. What does NAIS stand for??
    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
    -Rudyard Kipling

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    • I've yet to see anywhere that says everyone has to buy a scanner. I have seen where each county would have a scanner small private people can use. Chips are cheap IMO I buy them now for just over $3.50 each. It cost me about $350 to do the 100 head I have now but I don't have close to that many new head each year.
      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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      • As horses enter and leave premises where they gather and co-mingle, the chips must be scanned and a report made. Otherwise, the gov't will have no way of knowing where to track an outbreak.

        Read the strategic plans and NGO websites for info. No decisions have been made on how horses fit into NAIS - they move around too much. APHIS says they can't track outbreaks to their source if horses are not subjected to the same level of scrutiny and tracking.

        I'm a premises; I will have to purchase a scanner. If you are a premises, you will have to purchase one too.
        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
        -Rudyard Kipling

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        • Not according to the info I've been sent as county feedlot officer. Everything I've been given says there can be a community scanner for operations under 500 animal units.
          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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          • Well sh**. That's not what's happening in Virginia. Lucky devil.
            Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
            Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
            -Rudyard Kipling

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            • There are no rules in place by the USDA there are states making up their own rules and there all differant. I've talked to a huge number of people both in person and over the internet that are up in arms about the whole program. Some in states that have already implemented rules. Of course only 2 of all those people actually got off their a$$ and attended any meeting or voiced concerns. They truly got exactly the type system they deserved.
              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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              • I think we have strayed away from the original topic. . . perhaps there should be a different thread for this microchipping, scanner, new USDA fiasco stuff?
                bryn

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                • Originally posted by bryn
                  I think we have strayed away from the original topic. . . perhaps there should be a different thread for this microchipping, scanner, new USDA fiasco stuff?


                  there already is. Here is the link: http://praha.planetsg.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=52884





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                  • Originally posted by onthebit12000
                    Well, at least 20,000 to 30,000 of them are imported from Canada for slaughter in the US each and every year.

                    Question...If we have so many "unwanted" horses in the US, why do the 3 US horse slaughter plants have to IMPORT them from Canada?
                    Don't you have those horses going the wrong direction?

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                    • blrm,

                      No, unfortunately I dont have it the "wrong" direction. Canadian horses are imported to the US for slaughter each and every week. Most go to Cavel in IL however, a number of them do travel all the way down to TX...many DOA's on those loads. The numbers along with the region of the country that they are imported to are listed weekly on the USDA's website.

                      This week was slow...only 81 (two truck loads) imported for slaughter at Cavel.
                      http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/WA_LS637.TXT
                      www.horse-protection.org

                      No Horses to Slaughter Clique

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                      • Whoa J...

                        I know this was a very large topic on Off Course several months ago. I guess I am a non believer in the Government ever following thru.. Oh but wait they stand to make money, God maybe it will happen. Then It will be time to get out of horses

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                        • Not at all unusual for horses in Can. to end up in U.S. plants. Some horses in that country are actually closer to the Cavel plant in Ill; then they are to a canadian plant. Sometimes canadian plants are full and not taking any product. If theres a feed lot with horses ready its cheaper to haul them out then it is to hold them and feed them longer.
                          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                          • Originally posted by MSP
                            Actually if horse slaughter continues and NAIS is implemented you have a lot to fear because NAIS will make it possible to track medication and wormer should they want to; it may benefit the horse meat trade. After all if horses weren’t being slaughtered what possible reason would there be for regulating what drugs go into their bodies.
                            You don't have to convince me of -anything- bad about NAIS. I've been speaking out about it (at state meetings) and am on the board of directors of an organization formed to fight against NAIS. I don't want to hijack this thread with my feelings on NAIS - but I have quite a few strong feelings about it!
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                            • Originally posted by J Swan
                              NAIS is a done deal and it's being implemented right now.
                              It is not a done deal. There have been -no laws- on a federal/national level to implement/mandate NAIS. Yes, some states have those laws - but some states have been fighting off those laws (Texas is one).

                              By saying it is a done deal - people give up even trying to make their voices heard. And THAT would be a real tragedy.. I will not go silently on this one!
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                              • Whoever posted

                                the Report of canadian shipments this week... none of them say horses.. Or am I just needing my glasses!

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                                • Agreed - not meant to take the wind out of the sails. The concept of NAIS has full congressional approval - and states are either wringing their hands, implementing it in different forms - or seeing dollar signs.

                                  Wisconsin, for some reason is going gangbusters. Virginia, as usual, is seeing dollar signs and viewing this as a great way to generate revenue.

                                  Originally posted by cowgirljenn
                                  It is not a done deal. There have been -no laws- on a federal/national level to implement/mandate NAIS. Yes, some states have those laws - but some states have been fighting off those laws (Texas is one).

                                  By saying it is a done deal - people give up even trying to make their voices heard. And THAT would be a real tragedy.. I will not go silently on this one!
                                  Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                  Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                  -Rudyard Kipling

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                                  • Originally posted by Sannois
                                    the Report of canadian shipments this week... none of them say horses.. Or am I just needing my glasses!

                                    Last group on the list right after Goats, second column listed as "Sltr".
                                    No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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                                    • What I don't get is... if you're not the one's eating the tainted horsemeat, why get so alarmed?

                                      I don't understand how anyone can smoke and willingly put all that crap in their bodies, but I'm not about to lose sleep over it.
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                                      • Tainted horse meat? Its no more tainted then the beef, pork, poultry, and lamb that is slaughtered in U.S. plants. It all passes USDA inspections.
                                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                        • Originally posted by onthebit12000
                                          blrm,

                                          No, unfortunately I dont have it the "wrong" direction. Canadian horses are imported to the US for slaughter each and every week. Most go to Cavel in IL however, a number of them do travel all the way down to TX...many DOA's on those loads. The numbers along with the region of the country that they are imported to are listed weekly on the USDA's website.

                                          This week was slow...only 81 (two truck loads) imported for slaughter at Cavel.
                                          http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/WA_LS637.TXT

                                          Have you got any info on imports AND exports on a yearly basis.To import two loads a week from BC, once in a while could quite easily be offset by exporting 6 loads a week to the two Quebec plants.
                                          And since alot of the Save the Horses and Humane Society websites are talking about the 20,000- 30,000 slaughter horses that are exported from the US to Can per year,I'm just curious who's got it right.

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