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    Most of the CSH horses she's got come from Ravine Ranch Sporthorses in Manitoba, Canada. Used to be a PMU farm. There's been quite a lot of them in our area over the years. I braided their first two sporthorse stallions they had (Samual and Gringo) when they brought them to a CWHBA licensing a million years ago as 3/4 year olds. Most of them come through a trainer in our area that selects them as young horses and gets them started/showing. There's been some really nice ones and some "meh" ones.

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      Originally posted by Malda View Post
      Here's the link to the "appointments" page. So strange and so many red flags, it's worth reading.

      http://www.virginiasporthorses.com/appointments
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      We raise, train and sell our own fresh horses....wedo not sell USED horses.




      Brings to mind fresh eggs and used cars.... And used car salesman tactics, for that matter.


      Proofreading is your friend.

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        Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
        Yeah, Liz sells a lot of horses. She spends nearly every waking hour speaking with clients. Even actively trying to weed people out, it's pretty much non-stop all day, every day. It's not the model for every buyer, for sure, but then no selling model is. To each their own.
        Agree. I mean, this would not work for me as a buyer but if it works for them-- at least they're being upfront about the fee.
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          Originally posted by Altag View Post

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          And used car salesman tactics, for that matter.

          I don't think being eccentric and potentially read as hostile is a great hallmark of the used salesmen trope there are certainly far slicker people in the industry.

          ??????vxf, someone like you wouldn't need the clear and extensive strictures because you aren't a novice horseman or buyer.

          Her husband, also a lawyer, likes to say to her "this is crazy town, and you are its mayor" the cast of characters that come through, and also of course the wildly varied clients make it, as many horse businesses, worthy of a reality show at the very least.
          Let me apologize in advance.

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            Like this could 100% happen at Liz's
            https://www.facebook.com/BritishComedy/videos/2056443957906232/ “There’s every possibility that I might ride beautifully.” How many people do you know that think that riding is something you can just get on the horse and do? I love this skit from Keeping Up Appearances. Everyone needs a good laugh and this definitely delivers. And, by the way, Hyacinth does pretty darned…
            Let me apologize in advance.

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              They have been in business for some time, so their business model must work for somebody.

              I seem to remember some years ago they had some crazy stuff on the website about not allowing flexions to be done during a PPE. Apparently they had had a bad experience with someone cranking, yanking and repeatedly flexing a young horse until they made him sore. (Not outside the realm of possibility, IME.)

              I can think of an anecdote from my experience to justify every single policy and practice on that website whether it involves tire kickers, lifetime soundness guarantees, asking for financing, and exchange policies - if you've every bought and sold horses, you'll understand what prompted the policies.

              And as ladyj79 said, if you don't like their sales policy, you don't have to buy from them. At least it's all stated clearly and upfront on the website. (Oh, if I had a $100 for every time I found out about a whackadoo sales condition *after* a client and I had driven out of town to a sales appointment.)

              But clearly, someone *is* buying from them.
              The plural of anecdote is not data.

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                I'd pay the visiting "fee" to see Hyacinth go riding over there

                Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                Like this could 100% happen at Liz's

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                  Ladyj79 is clear that they are not an alter for TBSH, but their marketing strategy is certainly the same. You must pay a substantial fee just to see and try a prospect, and if you don't feel the horse(s) shown will work for you, that fee is not refundable. VSH will credit it toward another horse for 1 year, but then you are SOL.
                  The web site is not very clear about vetting ("vetting can be arranged") but it sounds as if you must pay a 10% or $800 non refundable deposit if you want the horse vetted. Not sure if that is the vetting fee or the fee that VSH charges to let a prospective buyer have the horse vetted.
                  If I were buying I would certainly be put off by the assumption that your trainer is probably dishonest and expecting a kickback from the seller.
                  If, as Lady79j asserts, this approach to selling is successful, I am impressed. They do say most of their buyers are not experienced or knowledgeable,and I would apply P.T. Barnum's philosophy here. I would certainly not even contact such a seller .

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                    Most people buying from VSH arent coming with trainers, and certainly Liz isn't paying commissions to trainers bringing clients hahaha nor would her prices really warrant it. It is mainly more experienced people on a budget buying young prospects, and less experienced or reriders buying quiet horses for pleasure, trails, fox hunting.

                    it's great that there are really buying options in the world for all different kinds of buyers.
                    Let me apologize in advance.

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                      Originally posted by demidq View Post
                      Ladyj79 is clear that they are not an alter for TBSH, but their marketing strategy is certainly the same. You must pay a substantial fee just to see and try a prospect, and if you don't feel the horse(s) shown will work for you, that fee is not refundable. VSH will credit it toward another horse for 1 year, but then you are SOL.
                      The web site is not very clear about vetting ("vetting can be arranged") but it sounds as if you must pay a 10% or $800 non refundable deposit if you want the horse vetted. Not sure if that is the vetting fee or the fee that VSH charges to let a prospective buyer have the horse vetted.
                      If I were buying I would certainly be put off by the assumption that your trainer is probably dishonest and expecting a kickback from the seller.
                      If, as Lady79j asserts, this approach to selling is successful, I am impressed. They do say most of their buyers are not experienced or knowledgeable,and I would apply P.T. Barnum's philosophy here. I would certainly not even contact such a seller .
                      Very well put, and I agree.

                      I'm not surprised her husband is a lawyer after reading this:

                      "...we are sometimes made a target for libel or slander by unscrupulous and cowardly individuals. If you read or hear disparaging information about our policies, please realize that the source may well be a horse trader, dealer or private seller whether identified or anonymous who does not understand or agree with what we do. We would very much appreciate it if you take the time to jot down the name and contact info of the person, or source of this information so that we may correct or inform them of the laws that protect business and private individuals from damaging interference, slander and libel."
                      Last edited by Malda; Jun. 29, 2018, 12:43 AM.
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                        everything that is connected with horses has always not been cheap.

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                          This is elitism on full display . I've been with my beloved hunters (and others ) for over 50 years, raising and selling plenty along the way as well , and this is ridiculous.

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                            Well, having had two horses fail vetting recently for a client, there is no way I would even contact someone who would charge me for the priveledge of paying a vetting. The vetting fee is absurd. Buying horses is expensive enough. Price your horses properly and stop nickel and diming people. Or, they should do a pre vetting and make it available to buyers included in the price of the horse.
                            i have helped clients purchase 4 horses this past year in that price range fwiw. Thanks bot, for taking these people off my radar.
                            i never charge a commission. My clients pay my time.
                            www.settlementfarm.us

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                              No way would I pay just to look!

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                                So, for $500, you get the lofty privilege of getting to look at a sale horse? Where can I sign up? (Asked sarcastically)

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                                  I'm guessing that these aren't cheap horses

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                                    Originally posted by Greyscale View Post
                                    I'm guessing that these aren't cheap horses
                                    She seems to have a mix but overall I would say most are on the cheaper side
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                                      Many sellers I know will ask for a deposit for the horse to be taken off the market. That deposit is returned if there are findings on the PPE, with that details left up to the buyer.

                                      I would never purchase from anyone who charged a non-refundable fee to have a horse vetted.


                                      Originally posted by OneTwoMany
                                      If ladyj79 is correct and the proprietor spends the day on the telephone talking to clients, her business model appeals to at least a few. These horses aren't the type we buy, but I could see her approach appealing to buyers who would like some hand-holding finding a kind gentle mount.

                                      The $200 Sales Appointment fee, while unconventional, doesn't really bother me. If they are trailering out a load of horses to a facility for a buyer to try, they are incurring a real cost. They could build all these costs into their prices, or charge a fee to the buyers that are looking for that level of service. It isn't a model I would choose, but I get it.

                                      I would hope the $800 fee is refundable if the PPE is unacceptable. Other than that, a non-refundable deposit to take a horse off the market and tell other potential buyers to "go away" is not at all uncommon.

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