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  • What do you retrain these OTTB's to do? Let's have a run down:
    1. You can't keep a horse trotting.
    2. You won't use a crop.
    3. You don't know how to do a lead change.
    4. You can't do two things at once.

    Oh i know! You retrain them to be ...

    Nope.. I'm stumped.
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    • I believe the "wild horse" reference came in when someone innocently asked why you might have problems getting a horse to move off your leg when you stated in another topic that you jumped a horse - a stallion, no less - bareback, no less - over a six foot fence.

      So yes, there was a connection to this topic.

      This is where all your prior "bragodacious" posts come back to haunt you. Not much fun, is it?
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      • Heck, I rode a QH who we wished would drag her head and slow down a little bit

        alysheba's situation is the perfect illustration of the things money can't buy

        And now that I have that out of the way -- here's my real advice. Every single time we ride a horse, any horse, we are training it. Horses learn from their interactions with humans. Of course, not all that training is intentional or good. Sometimes we are training the horse to ignore our aids But every single time we ride a horse, any horse, we are also training ourselves. We are training our position, use of the aids, techniques for coping with different types of horses or situations. You can and should learn from every ride, even if it's not the ride you had in mind. And if you aren't willing to adopt that attitude, you should take up a hobby that doesn't involve interacting with other living beings. Seriously. If you want things to go the way you plan, on your schedule, every time, then buy a bicycle or motorcycle or anything else that can be turned on when you want to play and turned off and put away when you are done. --Jess

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        • Et Voila, sometimes the horses that we learn the most from are the horses we can do the least on.

          You have a terrible attitude alysheba. Very very poor. To boot, you have singlehandedly managed to anger people on every single sub-forum that you have been on. Did you ever think about why that might be? I'm sure that if you think about it long enough, you'll realize that SOMETHING about your attitude has to change. Maybe SOME THINGS.

          I hope, for the sake of whatever horses you are working with, that you learn from them at some point what people have obviously failed to teach you...humility.
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            Originally posted by fourh mom
            Wow. Doesn't look like you're getting much sympathy here. And for some pretty good reasons, too. Sorry to chime in on the same note but from the scant information you provided the only ones I feel sorry for are the instructor and the horse - who is actually worse for having been ridden in this way.

            If your instructor offered to put you on a more 'challenging' mount and you accepted - then don't bellyache.

            Yes. Challenging does mean barn sour. Not forward. Stiff on one side or both sides. Bucky. Rearing. Not taking contact on the bit. Not stopping. Not leading. Not loading. Not respecting the handler/rider. Pushing through your hands. Ear pinning. Kicking out.

            Lots of things constitute 'challenging'. If you can't handle anything more than a saintly, forgiving packer then don't accept the 'challenge' next time. Challenging doesn't always mean hanging-on-for-dear-life to and super-schooled million-dollar horse.

            I have a nice little qh mare I trained from the ground up. My daughter won her barrel class on this mare last Sat. night w/a 17.0 - which is a respectable time in anyone's book... and no, is wasn't a 'small' pattern.

            This same mare - who will take off like no body's business - was ridden today by my 12yo begginner neice here in my yard. She could barely get Jules to walk... Jules would keep stopping.

            Now. Who's challenge is it? Who's problem is it? Who needs to improve????

            The rider. That's who. sylvia

            Your right, I do get it now. Thank you for putting into terms I could relate to and understand.

            With your permission I would like to print this off and email it to my instructors other students who thought the same thing I did.

            I guess I thought I should have had a horse well schooled in lead changes to make me comfortable with the lesson, when all the while, getting the horse to move probably would have given me even more confidence and helped me gain the horses respect.

            I'm not a spoiled brat. I just didn't see the point of the lesson clearly. I'm sure we have all been there.

            I will be requesting to ride Bailey next Monday, with crop in hand! ( will give you all an update) Hey, maybe I can ask for some extra time with him to see if I can train him to "Hold a Gate" Hey, if you can't laugh at yourself for being an idiot, who can you laugh at????
            I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

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            • I think you need a horse that is not "challenging" for you. Somthing that can do lead changes.

              I also think that you shouldn't have given up and no accepted the crop. Thats why you need a less chanllenging mount untill you are willing to do what is told of you and not complain.

              I am sure though, if this trainer really is not teaching you anything, then you can go out and pay for lessons on a exspensive been there done that horse that you bought.
              -Lindsey

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                Originally posted by hitchinmygetalong
                I believe the "wild horse" reference came in when someone innocently asked why you might have problems getting a horse to move off your leg when you stated in another topic that you jumped a horse - a stallion, no less - bareback, no less - over a six foot fence.

                So yes, there was a connection to this topic.

                This is where all your prior "bragodacious" posts come back to haunt you. Not much fun, is it?

                bragodacious? Someone put out a thread asking!

                When I rode Sam I knew nothing about English riding, I was trained western. In western, the legs are used to tell the horse to go forward (both) the reins are for steering.

                And obviously he wasnt too wild, because I never had to know all this stuff with him!

                And bringing up other posts w/out putting in ALL the information in the post is not fair.

                Its odd that so few ppl believed it, I've heard far more awesome stories than mine! I've got a few others to! I once brought a herd of 10 cows "home" by myself. Actually, I just held on and the Welsh I was riding (also bareback) did all the work. I just held on for the ride. She could have been considered an amazing cowhorse. It was pretty awesome. It was also the first time I had ever been in a dead run on a horse. To this day I think she is the fastest horse that ever lived.

                It seems that a lot of the ppl here had "schooling lessons" as most of their riding backround. Didnt you guys ever do something crazy? Live a Little?
                I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

                -The 6th Member Of The Bareback Riders Clique-

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                • Original Poster

                  Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~
                  I think you need a horse that is not "challenging" for you. Somthing that can do lead changes.

                  I also think that you shouldn't have given up and no accepted the crop. Thats why you need a less chanllenging mount untill you are willing to do what is told of you and not complain.

                  I am sure though, if this trainer really is not teaching you anything, then you can go out and pay for lessons on a exspensive been there done that horse that you bought.
                  No, I think I was expecting something different then what I got. And your right, I was wrong, as I previously, and humbly admitted
                  I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

                  -The 6th Member Of The Bareback Riders Clique-

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                  • How long have you been riding? Do you only take lessons once a week?

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                    • I think riding a green (was "he" green?) stallion without permission, then jumping a 6ft panel of a round pen would be more like a death wish then just crazy for most people.

                      I don't think telling your "stories" are going to help you, to most people they sounds like fantasies.
                      -Lindsey

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                      • Originally posted by alysheba
                        In western, the legs are used to tell the horse to go forward (both) the reins are for steering.
                        No it's like that in ALL riding. You just pull the reins with your hands and kick with your feet. That's it. Voila!

                        "go saddle that donkey, you're going to learn to jump crossrails backwards", well honey, I'm a donkey saddling fool cause obviously the instructor has a PLAN...
                        hahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahaha LOVE IT! Comedy absolute GOLD!

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                        • Originally posted by Dad Said Not To
                          I know Bailey. I knew him before he was SOLD (not leased) about two years ago, and he was a very well-trained horse who took excellent care of his rider. He returned to his previous owner (the instructor's husband) a few weeks ago to be sold-- the husband did not buy the horse back, but is acting as agent for the owner. Upon his return, he was lacking in previously confirmed manners and it was stated that all he knows now is treats. However, he does still seem to be somewhat of a packer; someone interested in him had a trial ride, and though he hadn't ridden in three years, was able to get Bailey to walk, trot, and canter without great difficulty. He seems to me to be the kind of horse who needs to be firmly told that he is not in charge, which would likely have been accomplished by use of the crop. In short, I don't believe that the fault lies with the horse or the instructor.
                          You are so right. Fault rarely lies with the horse or some third party on the ground. If Alysheba kicked so much/so hard that herlegs were killing her, I wonder what Bailey felt like after that "ride".
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                          • "With your permission I would like to print this off and email it to my instructors other students who thought the same thing I did. "



                            Sure, you have my permission to print and share. Just be sure to print truthfully and exactly as I wrote that post, please. I have been purposely misquoted by another and it was NOT something I appreciated.

                            It just seems that, as a 31yo mother, you should have been able to see a bit past all your leg-kicking and the instructor's whip-smacking to the crux of the matter...

                            ANY situation is a learning experience and there is ALWAYS another side to the story. sylvia
                            Never explain yourself to someone who is committed to misunderstanding you.

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                            • agreed... and as such a fabulous rider you should know that squeezing is more effective then kicking. The horse will just ignore your thumps, a squeeze he can't ignore or move away from is much more attention grabbing. So is a squeeze and a smart slap with the whip behind your leg. Take the reins in one hand, grab a little mane.. squeeze and give him a good old wack behind the leg with your free hand holding the whip. Be prepared for him to take off. Forward is GOOD and the point we are trying to make here! do not immediatly try to stop him. defeats the whole purpose. Let him go forward for a few strides then bring him back and try again. guarenteed every time you put leg on he'll jump forward bwahahaha

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                              • Originally posted by alysheba
                                To answer that comment, I'll refer u to the "Hunter" post that has everyones panties in a bunch.
                                What does your uncalled for rudeness have to do with your whole string of lies?
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                                • Originally posted by alysheba

                                  I told her to PM me so I could show her how to do it so she would understand the effort that it takes! This is not a biz advertisment. I have 9 PMs in my inbox that I have not answered about ppl wanting to learn about my business to profit from it. I have not answered them.
                                  That's RUDE.
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                                  • Originally posted by DMK
                                    On the other hand your posts have been a marvelous demonstration of the idea that "insanity is defined as repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result"...
                                    Oh my...you absofreaklutely read my mind! Get out of my MIND!!!!!



                                    it is 6/6/6 day, so we should of known that this was bound to rear it's head.
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                                    • Learning never ends

                                      My older QH mare, Jewel, is just that: a jewel. She's just recently turned 20 and has, over the years, been: my son's Pony Club mount; my hunter/jumper show horse (to an old fart re-rider); a perfect mama to Stella, now 8; a therapeutic riding horse; an EPM survivor; and now my trusty trail mount (on her good days).

                                      This last Sunday, I spiffed her up, tacked her up in my huntseat saddle and show bridle, and went to play in the ring with the other ladies at the barn (there are just four of us) and their horses. We had a couple horses at liberty in the ring, which those of us with more than one horse do on occasion; we'll work one, untack, then hop on the other. Everyone gets along just fine, and it's great for all concerned. Well, lo and behold, as I was walking about on a very loose rein, Jewel decides, out of the blue, "I'm a cutting horse," and proceeds to "cut" one little Paint pony, moving his feet all over the ring. I just sat back, rode on the buckle, and let her go for it. She kept it up for a good twenty minutes, sometimes at a walk, sometimes at a trot, but always keeping that little pony working--with no interference from me.

                                      What did I learn from this? While Jewel's never been a cutting horse, she loves having a job, any job--and she absolutely has the biggest heart in the world. She may not have moved the way she did as a hunter--pre-EPM--but I just stayed soft and light... and my-oh-my, so did she. She was happy and downright cocky--and I was grinning like a fool. Sure, I'd "planned" to work her a bit at the trot, get those old muscles working... but she had her own "plan." Worked for me, and her.

                                      When I ride her daughter, Stella (breeding stock Paint), with or without my trainer, I have a simple plan: remain firm, fair and consistent in my approach no matter what we're working on. I also firmly believe that ANY saddle time is time well-spent. Stella's always been eager to please, soft and willing--but there's a reason for that... and it ain't just good genes. Time, patience and consistency pays off.

                                      My only advice to the OP: keep an open mind; be flexible; be positive; and work on developing mutual respect with each and every horse you ride, learning the lessons they offer to teach you, whether obvious or not. They will return the favor in spades, and capture your heart over and over again--IF you do.

                                      And no more gratuitous bashing of breeds, please. Serves no positive purpose whatsoever.
                                      "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give." - Churchill

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                                      • Does anyone else find it amusing that Aly expects us all to believe that she retrains OTTB's? Or anything, for that matter?
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                                        • Originally posted by alysheba
                                          In western, the legs are used to tell the horse to go forward (both) the reins are for steering.
                                          WTF? I ride reiners and cutters and I use my legs to steer more that I ever use my reins. As with pleasure horses...reins are more of an ornament then anything else.

                                          If you are using your reins for steering and not back them up with legs...I'm feeling very sorry for your horses. Come ride mine and they'll teach you to use your legs. Cause if you TOUCH their face...they won't take a step forward.
                                          Only two emotions belong in the saddle: One is a sense of humor. The other is patience.

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