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  • Originally posted by alysheba
    Instead of ripping on me, why don't you PM me and I can show you how to do it to.
    You know, if you are financially free at 29, good for you. But every time I read a post of your's peddling your info all I can think is "pyramid."

    As for the horse thing...tell your trainer you don't want to learn to ride. You want to learn to be a passenger. Knowing how to carry and use a whip at appropriate times is part of becoming a good horseman. Refusing to use one in a situation that calls for it makes you something else entirely.

    If you can't figure out how to get a horse to go forward, how are you going to figure out how to get lead changes...even on a different horse? One of the biggest issues people have with lead changes is the lack of forward motion. IMO, you're not ready to learn lead changes. You need to learn how to make all different types of horses go forward. Either that, or settle on being a "one type of horse" rider.
    Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
    Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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    • There was a TRAIN WRECK and I did not help derail?

      Dam...I mean, darn these grants!!!
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      • Originally posted by alysheba
        Nothing is wrong with a crop, but I felt like if I was going to "feel" the horses legs, shouldnt I be focusing on that? Especially since this was the first time I had ever done it?
        ...but it's a chicken before the egg kinda thing; if you can't get the horse to go FORWARD (or turn, or trot)...how can you possibly work on flying changes? I mean, ya can't practice flying changes a the walk, right???

        Having not been there (and this is purely speculation on my part) I'm betting the trainer just got frustrated asking you to use a crop to establish the gait (that's G A I T as in motion, not G A T E which you open and close) and just gave up.
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        • this thread has been a plethora of wonderful one liners. for this. i think each and every one of you..


          *chortling away*

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          • [QUOTE=alysheba]Nothing is wrong with a crop, but I felt like if I was going to "feel" the horses legs, shouldnt I be focusing on that?

            So if you carry a crop, that's all you can focus on? If that's the case you have a ton to learn before lead changes.
            You certainly were not "used" here, did you miss all the people that posted it is a priviledge to ride a trainers horse, regardless of how green or "bad".

            Lessons learned?
            1. You are incapable of keeping a difficult horse within your control.
            2. You refuse to take direction even if you are paying for it.
            3. Your poor trainer is a sucker for chasing the horse in the first place.
            To ride or not to ride; what a stupid question!

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            • Originally posted by bovon
              Perhaps you need to speak with your trainer when you want to learn something "specifically" so she can put you on a steady eddy to learn that one thing in particular. I will say this, I have learned an awful lot from riding greenies, it may not always look pretty and maybe we didn' t do an award winning round but sometimes just staying on a difficult horse and putting him through tough situations puts those extra feathers in your riding cap.
              Did the OP say this was a greenie? Or is this a horse that has had one lesson too many???? I "lost" my daughter because an instructor insisted that she ride one particular horse. When I stuck around and when I jumped on this horse, I discovered why she didn't want to take lessons anymore... he was impossible to move beyond a slow walk. He'd obviously been ridden for one lesson too many and wasn't going to listen to anyone.

              I wouldn't have refused the crop, but *I* at least can understand your frustration. Doesn't sound like the instructor thought you were up to a more difficult horse, she just might not have had another horse to put you up on

              Personally, if your horse was as bad as Joey, I would be talking to the instructor and if he was the one you'd be riding on a regular basis, I would be looking for another horse.

              Folks, not all lesson horses are created equal

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              • How about a little cheese with that whine Alysheba? So you had a bad lesson and figured out you couldn't ride this horse. A real rider would be back next week, riding the same horse. This is a classic example of a "true" rider vs. a wanna-be.

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                • Every horse has something to teach you...unless of, course you refuse to hear it....
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                  • Why not carry a crop? I've had plenty of "lazy -butted horses" that won't go forward with just the leg, but once they "see" the crop, they become enlightened and decide that "forward HO is the way to go".

                    I am serious, if I (back when I was teaching greenies) had a student to tell me, "no I will not carry a crop", and I knew the horse needed to see one (not really even be tapped, some horses are just "aware" of them and decide, mmm, better do what MOM says"), I must say I would have sent you packing off.

                    What good does it do to ride a packer all the time? Do you think you will never encounter the horse that won't go forward? Give me a break about ex racers, I have three and going "forward" is the least of my worries...it's the stop that they have to learn and the bend/flex, lead changes, etc.

                    I guess I don't understand what the problem is here, except that you thought you were at Burger King where you could get it "your way" and instead you were at McDonalds, where 99 times out of a 100 they give you what they want you to have...

                    I've been in horses forever (gee, 36 years now continuous) and if (and when) I can contact an instructor in my area and begin lessons after many years of not riding for shows, if she says, "go saddle that donkey, you're going to learn to jump crossrails backwards", well honey, I'm a donkey saddling fool cause obviously the instructor has a PLAN...

                    I sincerely feel for whatever instructor you have, but then again...I wonder what type of instructor would allow you to dictate what she teaches and even more curiousior (remember Alice in Wonderland???), I wonder about any instructor who would "chase" a horse around with a dressage whip..non that I have seen would suffer through that...the ones I admire might have ME chasing the witch horse around with a longe whip..lol.

                    so it remains to be seen "Burger King" or "McDonalds"..personally I opt for Outback and take the instructor with me..brownie points ya know in the hopes that I get off that danged donk real fast and on to something else......lol...

                    Too bad you haven't learned that the first rule of horses: the more you think you know, the less you really know and you will NEVER know everything there is to know even if you live to be 100... (I learned that at age 15 when I thought I knew "everything" and my cousin sat me up on his barrel horse..woowhee..what a ride as I went sailing, right off on my butt around the second barrel...lol - learned real quick, I don't know nutin..and am learning everyday..

                    Good luck (and buy yourself a packer, been there, done that..heck the horse will know even if you don't).

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                    • Obviously the fact that the instructor was winded from chasing a horse around with a longe whip, meant that the horse wasn't scared of it or what it might do to it...

                      Guess this group just hasn't met a horse that was not lesson quality, I've met a couple of them. Beating on them wouldn't have gotten them to budge if they didn't want to budge.

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                      • Originally posted by alysheba
                        Nothing is wrong with a crop, but I felt like if I was going to "feel" the horses legs, shouldnt I be focusing on that? Especially since this was the first time I had ever done it?
                        Bet you can't walk and chew gum at the same time either, can you? Jesus, are you for real?!?!?

                        Would you take your first jump on a horse that had never jumped before? Because thats what happened here. This horse was not trained to respond to lead changes, he wasn't trained to hold a gate! And we were never able to get him to canter, even with the whip.
                        You are sooooo busted. Read Post #77 on this thread about Bailey's past.
                        Do you want some ketchup on that crow to make it go down more easily?
                        In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                        A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                        • Aly- You were in the wrong.

                          Do you ride Avatar? I saw where you work him for endurance, but wasn't sure if it was mounted or unmounted.

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                          • My favorite bumper sticker ever:

                            JESUS LOVES YOU. BUT THE REST OF US THINK YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE.

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                              Originally posted by Dad Said Not To
                              I know Bailey. I knew him before he was SOLD (not leased) about two years ago, and he was a very well-trained horse who took excellent care of his rider. He returned to his previous owner (the instructor's husband) a few weeks ago to be sold-- the husband did not buy the horse back, but is acting as agent for the owner. Upon his return, he was lacking in previously confirmed manners and it was stated that all he knows now is treats. However, he does still seem to be somewhat of a packer; someone interested in him had a trial ride, and though he hadn't ridden in three years, was able to get Bailey to walk, trot, and canter without great difficulty. He seems to me to be the kind of horse who needs to be firmly told that he is not in charge, which would likely have been accomplished by use of the crop. In short, I don't believe that the fault lies with the horse or the instructor.

                              No, this is not the horse you are thinking of. My instructor isn't married.
                              I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

                              -The 6th Member Of The Bareback Riders Clique-

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                              • Originally posted by alysheba
                                Would you take your first jump on a horse that had never jumped before? Because thats what happened here. This horse was not trained to respond to lead changes, he wasn't trained to hold a gate! And we were never able to get him to canter, even with the whip.
                                And your retraining rescues?

                                Anyway, when my trainer puts me on a "harder" horse/pony, I feel a bit honored that she has faith in my ability to ride it. If horse has issues with "x, y and z" and I'm able to get it to do "x" or "y and z" I'm thrilled. That's riding, getting the horse to do what it's supposed to. IMO, I don't know what your trying to do, but best of luck with it.
                                Jen Evans & DaBear

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                                • You are sooo lucky that you didn't have my first trainer... Your next lesson would be bareback on a longe line blind folded...I wish I could find one half as good as Dubonette now...

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                                  • Alysheba, perhaps you could clear up a few things for me. I'm a bit confused by some of the contradictions in your postings.

                                    You're "retraining" OTT TB rescues, but can't get an already-trained horse to trot? And you're worried about lead changes? Why? A horse needs to know how to W/T/C, and counter canter before it does changes. And more importantly, you need to know how to do these things before you can train a horse to do them.

                                    Better ask your instructor's forgiveness, and ask if you can ride that horse again. Seems he has a lot to teach you.
                                    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                    A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                    www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                    • I kept wanting to post, but the thread kept growing and growing and growing...

                                      Now I forget what I wanted to say. Oh well. I popped some popcorn. The whistles blowing, the wheels are chugging... carry on...
                                      "Riding: the art of keeping a horse between yourself and the ground."

                                      ~Horsebiters Clique Founder~Drafties~The A Team~Anti-Kohlrahbi Proliferation Group~Elite Closet Canterer...by proxy~

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                                      • I saw your post in the Hunt forum that got everyone in a twist. You could delete that if you wanted to try to get along better with people on this board.

                                        As far as your financial freedom, good for you. It's definitely a state of mind. I know many people who have very little money but are financially free. And I know many multi-millionaires who feel they are nowhere near financial freedom. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

                                        As far as the trainer issue, I always tell my trainer what I want to work on. Now something may come up in a lesson that needs to be worked on -- actually it happens frequently -- but I have my goals and I set the overall agenda. I have a terrific trainer who with more money would surely be riding in the Olympics (has done Rolex, etc.) and I know she is very comfortable with me letting her know what I want to work on. I tell her what I am comfortable doing and not doing and she always respects that. So, maybe you need to have that conversation with your trainer and not on the board. As I have said before given the amount of money I have shelled out for lessons, training, etc., if I have to bring it up on the COTH board then I need to deal with it in person with the trainer.

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                                        • Originally posted by alysheba
                                          Because thats what happened here. This horse was not trained to respond to lead changes, he wasn't trained to hold a gate!.
                                          I thought you were working on cantering, not trail obstacles.
                                          "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                          ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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