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  • #81
    I also feel a little sorry for the horses. I know that I've talked to my coach before about what we were going to do in the lesson and ended up doing something completely different. Either I wasn't all there for the stated goal or the horses wasn't all there... if my horse isn't all there, I can't imagine what kind of a positive experience it would be to "make" the horse do what my goal was. We ended up with a positive experience by doing something we could accomplish rather than being irritated at not doing what we thought we were going to do.

    Lesson plans change, get over it.
    You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something… S. Jobs

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    • #82
      I'm blessed with a kind instructor

      We agree on a lot when it comes to riding.

      One time when my horse was lame, she told me I could barrow the packer for Pony Club. It turned out the girl half leasing the other lesson pony wasn't around, and I asked if I could barrow her instead, because the other one had more umph. Instructor agreed.

      (But, the packer pony does have some soundness issues and can't jump as high)

      We also agree that a boarders horse doesn't look like much fun at all. I ended up loosing a bet to the owner, who I am friends with and ended up riding the horse. I ended riding it the arena for a bit instead of out like I had planned becuase its recently trimmed feet were ouchy. "I know its not your favorite, but you should just trot her around the arena for a few minutes". I did, not for very long, but I did.

      I wish I could retire at age 29, want to share with us?

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      • #83
        oooo, this one's gettin' good.

        Okay guys pass out the popcorn. This is getting good!

        Alysheba, who kindly reminded another poster that the US liberated his country (I cringed when I read that), partakes in the occasional fat joke, has clearly hit a nerve. Perhaps she should have taken the crop and given Bailey a smart smack and got on with her lesson.

        In setting fair parameters for a horse in need of re-education you would have learned way more than lead changes on a packer.

        Don't worry horsepoor. I still really really like Minnesotans.

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        • #84
          Alysheba, who kindly reminded another poster that the US liberated his country (I cringed when I read that),
          Did I MISS this???
          Meet Wendall the wonder horse
          and introducing Machado! http://pets.webshots.com/photo/28186...SDi?vhost=pets

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            #85
            Originally posted by Amchara
            What the heck is wrong with crop? Why did you refuse to carry it?

            Nothing is wrong with a crop, but I felt like if I was going to "feel" the horses legs, shouldnt I be focusing on that? Especially since this was the first time I had ever done it?

            Would you take your first jump on a horse that had never jumped before? Because thats what happened here. This horse was not trained to respond to lead changes, he wasn't trained to hold a gate! And we were never able to get him to canter, even with the whip.
            I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

            -The 6th Member Of The Bareback Riders Clique-

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            • #86
              Alysheba, who kindly reminded another poster that the US liberated his country (I cringed when I read that), partakes in the occasional fat joke, has clearly hit a nerve
              Where was that????

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              • #87
                All Aboard! This train is leaving the station.

                Pass the popcorn.

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                  #88
                  [QUOTE=hitchinmygetalong][emphasis mine]
                  I just want to interject here that you never seem to miss an opportunity to "invite" others to learn how you became financially independent at the age of whatever. Sounds like... hmmmm.... Amway?

                  ?????????????????????????????????????????

                  I told her to PM me so I could show her how to do it so she would understand the effort that it takes! This is not a biz advertisment. I have 9 PMs in my inbox that I have not answered about ppl wanting to learn about my business to profit from it. I have not answered them.

                  I put that in there to defend myself. Not to promote myself.
                  I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

                  -The 6th Member Of The Bareback Riders Clique-

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by alysheba
                    he wasn't trained to hold a gate!
                    For most horses, opening the gate is the limit of their capability.
                    "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by alysheba
                      Nothing is wrong with a crop, but I felt like if I was going to "feel" the horses legs, shouldnt I be focusing on that? Especially since this was the first time I had ever done it?

                      Would you take your first jump on a horse that had never jumped before? Because thats what happened here. This horse was not trained to respond to lead changes, he wasn't trained to hold a gate! And we were never able to get him to canter, even with the whip.
                      How do you know he wasn't trained to respond to lead changes if you don't know how to do them?
                      Go Ahead: This is a dare, not permission. Don't Do It!

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                      • #91
                        "Would you take your first jump on a horse that had never jumped before? Because thats what happened here. This horse was not trained to respond to lead changes, he wasn't trained to hold a gate! And we were never able to get him to canter, even with the whip."

                        My first jump, in fact, was on a horse who was never trained to jump.

                        It makes sense if the lesson plan changed that day. I have never ridden lead flying lead changes, as I am assuming you are talking about, and if my instructor put me on a horse as green as you make this one out to be with that knowledge, I expect that fly's wouldn't be on the adgenda.

                        BTW, I only think horses are trained to jump over gates, not hold them. They are trained to hold a gait though. I realize that is probably just a simple slip, but being wealthy at a young age makes me think that adults such as that are very well educated and can tell the difference.

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                          #92
                          [QUOTE=cosmos mom][QUOTE=alysheba](sigh)

                          Ok, I'm not going to keep trying to defend myself, but if at the end of my lesson last week my instructor says "Ok, next week we are going to start working on lead changes"

                          Then the lesson comes and she puts me on a horse that hasnt been ridden in months, and I believe doesnt even KNOW lead changes. She didn't tell me before the lesson that this horse hadn't been ridden in months.... How is this ok?

                          I paid her to reschool her horse on basic riding commands. You wouldn't be upset about that? Isn't that kind of like paying for spanish lessons and the teacher teaches you french?

                          That was NOT a schooling horse. If I wanted to teach basic commands to a pasture sour horse, there are a dozen at my boarding stable I could ride for free. She was USING me to get her horse into selling shape, and apparently a lot of other students of hers feel the same way. And there are some hard core riders that she instructs- not princesses. And no I didn't learn anything new at that lesson. Not anything I haven't done 100 times on retraining basic commands to my rescued OTTB's.

                          Maybe I did not explain it correctly, maybe I did whine to much (I am pretty upset at the news I learned) but I'm telling you, what she did was not to benefit my riding skills.


                          She changed her mind.

                          I have been put on plenty of horses like this in lessons. They are her horses and it is ultimately her decision who to put you on.

                          So, let me get this straight, if she had said "next week, you are going to learn how to get a more difficult horse to go forward and move off of your leg", would you have said no?

                          Boy, if she was using you to school her horse, I bet she feels jipped, it dosen't sound like you did a very good job!

                          Again, I say to you that any farm with a lesson program uses students to school, fit up, and with better students, retrain the horses. Is this a surprose to you? Who do you think will do it?

                          As another poster pointed out, fell free to go to another trainer, but what did you really hope to accopmlish by slamming your trainer in a public BB?
                          I dont recall using names, and I've seen plenty of ppl "slam" their boarders, parents, neighbors, ect on this board. They call it venting. Maybe I should have clarified that thats what I was doing.
                          I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

                          -The 6th Member Of The Bareback Riders Clique-

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                          • #93
                            If you were unhappy why didn't you speak up? Its your money and time, right?

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                            • #94
                              "Especially since this was the first time I had ever done it?"

                              You've never done lead changes and you want to tell your instructor what she can and can not teach you in a lesson?

                              I would have sent your sorry butt packing 10 minutes into the lesson.

                              For someone at such an EARLY stage of riding, you have a terrible attitude. It is NOT up to you what you learn in a lesson. You learn what your instructor decides to teach you. And apparently, you need to be taught how to make a non-packer go forward.

                              Get a handle on your financially wealthy self. You're being obnoxious. Bless your instructor's heart. I hope she grows a backbone and tells you that until you have become a competant rider (which you clearly are not), you don't get to dictate the content of your lessons.

                              Geesh.

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                              • #95
                                Back to the original topic: my only suggestion about what your trainer did "wrong" is that she should have explained to you why it was important to have the horse going forward before you ask for a change of lead. It sounds as though you weren't too clear on that part of it...
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                                  #96
                                  Originally posted by Spooks
                                  I suspect that since this horse belongs to the instructor, he does know his lead changes. Getting a horse to swap leads is a lot more involved than one might think at first. If you practice it on a packer, most likely you will not even feel it when they swap since you would not be attuned to the balance change yet. There is a difference between experiencing it and learning it. When I learned this skill (on schoolies), I did experience it on a packer, but I did not actually "learn" it until I rode a more difficult horse, and this horse definitely had his pokey moments. Previously I had been riding a very forward horse so did not carry a crop. After my first ride on the pokey horse I went out and bought some spurs, and carried a crop. I then learned how to use spurs, and when to effectively use a crop. Very important skills, as George Morris always tells us!

                                  As for the trainer using you to school her horse, this is usually a compliment. When my trainer put me on her greenie last year I was thrilled, and flattered! I eventually bought him. No, you don't get an easy, great looking ride, but you learn TONS! Yes, it is challenging. But today by refusing to use a crop you passed up a chance to learn about the progression of aids, how and why to use a crop, and (most importantly) how to get a pokey horse to respect you. Today I forgot my crop on my ride. I rarely ever need to use it with this horse, but today when my horse ignored my leg, he got a slap on the shoulder with my hand and that was all it took. You are not beating the horse, you are just saying "hey, I just told you to do X and you are not allowed to ignore me!".

                                  I suggest that you take your next lesson on this horse. Bring a crop. Bring spurs just in case. You will learn a lot, and lead changes will be much easier to master when he is moving off your leg.
                                  Thank you for the constuctive criticism. And I know she let me ride him because she knew I wouldn't give up. But when we started together I made my goals very clear. She knows I get plenty of basic retraining practice w/ my OTTB rescues. My goals are to learn all the skills I can so I can teach them to my prospects which makes them more attractive to the ppl who lease them from me. Learning lead changes is a HUGE goal for me. Yesterday was a setback toward that goal. What I am most upset about is I feel used (my instructor works full time and has no free time to work with her lease-backs).

                                  But, maybe you guys are right, maybe I am wrong to be upset about it.
                                  I've got the 3 things men want. I'm hot, and I'm smart!

                                  -The 6th Member Of The Bareback Riders Clique-

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                                  • #97
                                    oakesbrae and mzpeepers

                                    Dressage forum, thread "The most ridiculous question I have ever been asked (or something like that) page 5, post 99.

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                                    • #98
                                      "My first jump, in fact, was on a horse who was never trained to jump." Me, too.

                                      Very simply, could your instructor have forgotten about the lead change session mentioned the week before? Did you say anything at the time? I've had changes happen many times. People are busy and situations change often through the course of a week with horses, other riders. She might've thought she was instructing you in something much more important for you at this time. If you don't feel she was trying to benefit your riding, find another instructor! At the very least, you need to be honest about your feelings.
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                                      • #99
                                        [quote=alysheba]
                                        Originally posted by hitchinmygetalong
                                        [emphasis mine]
                                        I just want to interject here that you never seem to miss an opportunity to "invite" others to learn how you became financially independent at the age of whatever. Sounds like... hmmmm.... Amway?

                                        ?????????????????????????????????????????

                                        I told her to PM me so I could show her how to do it so she would understand the effort that it takes! This is not a biz advertisment. I have 9 PMs in my inbox that I have not answered about ppl wanting to learn about my business to profit from it. I have not answered them.

                                        I put that in there to defend myself. Not to promote myself.
                                        All right, I've been content to just watch the train wreck (b/c I do understand your point in your OP)... but come on. How is this (taken directly from your profile) not to promote yourself?

                                        I started my own business and became financially wealthy at the age of 29. Now I get to spend my days hanging out with my husband, my kids, and my horse. Want the same thing? I can teach you how to build the same business I did. Just ask.
                                        (emphasis added)


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                                        • I am confused, how long have you been with this instructor? Is this the dressage instructor you were just looking for in this thread? http://praha.planetsg.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=47002

                                          Are you not riding your own horse at the lessons?
                                          No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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