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  • Originally posted by Thomas_1
    In the end I leant over and said firmly "Darren this is your first and last chance, if you don't get out of there now you will be in serious trouble" Darren moved very quickly ! And my 5 year old grandson said "oh and he means it"


    Well done, Thomas! Very well done!
    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
    A life lived by example, done too soon.
    www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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    • ANY animal is unpredictable. I've had my Trakehner mare for nearly two years now, and she has never shown any signs of biting. However, this weekend I was out in the field adjusting her fly sheet and she took a large chunk of flesh from the back of my ribcage. I had gotten too comfortable around her, and wasn't as watchful as I should have been. I consider it a small price to pay for being reminding that these horses (or dogs or hegehogs!) don't think like we do, and can have large reactions to small (to us, anyway) stimuli.

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      • I live on a quiet dirt road in the middle of nowhere. I have a 3-strand electric fence along the road with 5000 volts going through it. It is embarassingly profusely signed as such.

        My neighbor called me the other day to say she had just stopped some guy who had parked his 4-wheeler on the road, and was crawling through the hot electric fence with his kid to "go pet the horses."

        Heck, I don't even pet my clients' cats without first checking I'm not going to get my hand ripped off.

        Thomas-1, I'm a Brit--grew up in Bedfordshire. I really think that people have far less respect for other people's property here and are far more prepared to lay the blame for their negligence at someone else's door. Scares me to death sometimes. Part of it is because there are so many people who are so far removed from country life, animals, etc., tht they have no understanding of the difference between cuddly and dangerous.

        If you'd spoken to that kid at the show like that in this country, you'd probably have got beaten up, shot, or taken to court for damaging the poor little dear's psyche.

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        • ATR - Not so sure its so different. We had a family in our holiday cottage who didn't know that eggs came from hens!

          Except of course not likely to get shot! But knifing is not uncommon! Albeit tending to be in city areas and I judge time and place before saying something like that.

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          • I think there are so many responses to this thread b/c this terrible incident in CT (though the facts are vague) is every farm owner's nightmare.

            I adore horses, and I work tirelessly to instill good manners and behavior in all of my horses to make my farm as safe as possible--for the sake of me, my kids, the vet, the farrier, boarders, and visitors.

            I also adore children, and I have a soft spot in my heart for the child (or adult even) who loves/admires horses but has never been lucky enough to be involved with them. For many years I went out of my way to inform and encourage non-horsepeople when their paths crossed with mine, even if it meant overlooking a little bit of thoughtlessness or ignorance.

            So where's the problem?

            Number one: I am getting burned out from the extreme rudeness people display, and the refusal of many parents to restrain their children in any way. For a while I kept some horses on my parents' farm, and I was over there feeding when some children wandered into a paddock with two yearling colts. I rescued the kids, called their mother, and when she came over I patiently explained things to her, and then offered that she could call me any time and I would let them pet/sit on my old pony. In the meantime, the kids (elementary school age) tried to sneak back into the paddock, made endless obscene comments about the colts' genitalia, and then opened two bluebird houses and crushed all the eggs in each nest. Most recently, I have had trouble with adults who blatantly/rudely ignored requests not to handle my horses in a particular dangerous manner or deliberately teach them dangerous habits.

            Number two: Now that I have my own farm, no matter how hard I try, I can never make it a perfectly safe place. My young TB's and warmbloods are big and quick and playful; heck, even my dollbaby mini that my toddlers ride pinched my palm the other day when I fed him a treat. I hate it, but the U.S. is phenomenally lawsuit crazy. I do want to be friendly and be a good ambassador for our sport, but I have worked so hard to have this farm (which is also our home) and I am NOT willing to risk losing it to a lawsuit.

            So, I admit, I have been getting less patient. Thomas_1, I appreciate your viewpoint, but I feel that it isn't exactly realistic here in the US for the same reasons as atr.
            www.plainfieldfarmky.com

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            • Don't know if anyone has said this, although it goes along with plain ignorance..
              Well yesterday I show up to the barn for the second time that day. My horse has a lage wound on his chest (drained the giant hematoma.. yuck) and is now wearing a neck cradle to keep him form messing with it. He also has been stuck in a stall with only hand walking for over a month now. He is not a happy camper. These people were in the back barn, there to rent horses but wandered to the back aisle, and were crouching down looking at my horse's chest. I walked up and said "Please watch out guys, he bites" and they go "oh ok" and don't really move. I was taking him out so I said "no really, and he has a long neck to reach out with" .. and they still don't really move away. I didn't feel like giving a lesson, but to me.. if you're standing enxt to my dog, and maybe even trying to pet it, and I say "o careful my dog bites" I GUARENTEE you won't be trying to pet him, and you probably would even be moving away..
              But thats what I get for boarding someplace public.
              But the dog analagy I think I'll use when Im giving lessons now

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              • Originally posted by Thomas_1
                In the end I leant over and said firmly "Darren this is your first and last chance, if you don't get out of there now you will be in serious trouble" Darren moved very quickly ! And my 5 year old grandson said "oh and he means it"
                Isn't it interesting how some kids don't listen to their parents but a stranger says something and they listen? My niece is like that - my sister is having a terrible time with her but when the girl comes here she listens to me. Of course - one of my goats helped with that - the cutest prettiest pygmy goat is also mean as a snake (former owners had a problem with local kids teasing it). Anyway - I told Rachel to stay away from Emma but she wouldn't. So Rachel got charged by a pygmy goat. She wasn't hurt - but Emma has horns and could easily have hurt her. Hmmmm.... now I don't even need to tell Rachel to respect the livestock.

                But I agree with other posters - had you corrected that kid in the US most likely you would have gotten into trouble. It's a crying shame - and is why many of us appear to be so anti-child on this thread. It's not that we don't want to be good ambassadors - we just don't want to get sued.
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • I think it's the fault of this, "It takes a village to raise a child" attitude.

                  I say, bull$h!t. If I wanted to raise a child, I'd have one. And I don't appreciate being pressured into "helping" someone else raise one that's apparently lost interest in it, after it got past the cute and cuddly stage.

                  Don't get me wrong - I'm not anti-kid. Several of my friends have kids that are just wonderful; COTHer tirnanog has two that I'd be proud to claim as my own. But she's not one to let others do her job for her; she's right there to let her (and other) kids know where the lines are, and not to cross them. But it's the fizzlewits who think it their God-given right to reproduce, but then choose not to be responsible for the products of their conception. Sorry, but if you breed it, you own it, and you're responsible for it. Unless you can sell it, that is. And the last time I checked, that was illegal here.
                  In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                  A life lived by example, done too soon.
                  www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                  • Originally posted by ESG
                    I say, bull$h!t. If I wanted to raise a child, I'd have one. And I don't appreciate being pressured into "helping" someone else raise one that's apparently lost interest in it, after it got past the cute and cuddly stage.

                    Don't get me wrong - I'm not anti-kid. Several of my friends have kids that are just wonderful; COTHer tirnanog has two that I'd be proud to claim as my own. But she's not one to let others do her job for her; she's right there to let her (and other) kids know where the lines are, and not to cross them. But it's the fizzlewits who think it their God-given right to reproduce, but then choose not to be responsible for the products of their conception. Sorry, but if you breed it, you own it, and you're responsible for it. Unless you can sell it, that is. And the last time I checked, that was illegal here.
                    I couldn't agree with you more! And I have kids. My brothers kids(under 5 years old) were using the f word when talking with my daughter. Calling her fing stupid, etc. I know exactly where they got it from. When I asked my SIL to please not let them talk to my kids like that she actually said "I can teach my kids to say whatever the hell I want to whomever they feel like it." She is very good at blaming everyone else for her kids problems when they so obviously point back to her and my brother. She believes in letting them find their own way.

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                    • No, ESG, there is an idea among many parents nowadays that limiting or stifling children in any way is very negative. My own dear sister and her husband subscribe to this parenting theory...for example, they feel that if their 3yo daughter is standing up in a booth at a restaurant and poking the person behind us with a spoon, if they corrected her they would be curbing her wonderful natural enthusiasm and curiosity. Likewise, even when the darling toddler dumped two cups of grape juice on Auntie 2foals floor in quick succession, Auntie 2foals was swiftly accused of "infantilizing" her for making her sit down and drink from a sippy cup.

                      Although my sister is an extremely experienced horseperson, and knows that she HAS to curb her children for safety's sake around the horses, it is still a bit nervewracking b/c her children are unused to being told what to do and just ignore you or stare at you when you tell them "NO". (I love my sister and her family dearly regardless, and they ARE learning to be more strict with their children lately.)
                      www.plainfieldfarmky.com

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                      • 2foals, you must be somehow distantly related to my SIL, because that's pretty much how my niece and nephew are being raised. Maybe I don't get to talk because I don't have kids, but...

                        I told my BF after my nephew's b-day party, with the 2 of them acting like heathens, that if OUR kids acted like that HIS mom would slap us both. My mom is pretty cheesed, but she feels like it's thier problem and she just bites her tongue. Should be REAL interesting once they hit the teens...

                        I'm dreading the Fourth. How the bleep am I going to keep them and the horses safe? (stomach churns) I do want them all to come over, but their demonstrated lack of ability to follow instructions is astounding. And they are pretty damn loud and active kids too. I'm going to start getting poor Dallas the Wonder Ayrab ready now. Like bang pots under his nose until he climbs down off the rafters or something. Ya'll think I'm kidding, dontcha?

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                        • Quite simple, Pat.

                          Tell them horsey is off limits - period. Don't take spawn to barn, or permit any non-horse-savvy person of any age near your horse that day. If they kvetch, tell them tough toenails - it's your horse and your choice. If parents of spawn accuse you of stifling their creativity and possibly damaging their delicate sense of self, cheerfully agree, and stand your ground. In front of the horse's stall, if necessary, but you'd be advised not to let it get that far. Tell (do not threaten!) all at your gathering that today, horsie is off limits for everyone that doesn't own him. End of discussion.

                          Oh, and if spawn insist on placing themselves within a 100 yard radius of horsey? Take spawn by the ear back to nearest overly indulgent parent and deposit (hopefully) squalling spawn in their laps. Then tell parent in excruciating detail what will happen to both spawn and parent should you find spawn or parent within aforementioned 100 yard radius of horsey. Be creative here; the more ghastly the consequences, the better the deterrent factor. Don't go overboard and threaten dismemberment or disfigurement, but anything short of that is fair game. Taking away a Gameboy or X Box is usually a horrible enough consequence that that should be sufficient. If parents object, invite parents to take spawn home and bring it and selves back when spawn acquires some manners. You'll never see them again.

                          Should be a piece of cake.
                          In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                          A life lived by example, done too soon.
                          www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                          • Originally posted by Nicker
                            I couldn't agree with you more! And I have kids. My brothers kids(under 5 years old) were using the f word when talking with my daughter. Calling her fing stupid, etc. I know exactly where they got it from. When I asked my SIL to please not let them talk to my kids like that she actually said "I can teach my kids to say whatever the hell I want to whomever they feel like it." She is very good at blaming everyone else for her kids problems when they so obviously point back to her and my brother. She believes in letting them find their own way.
                            Clearly.

                            I think I'd permanently un-invite SIL and spawn to my home, or anywhere in my immediate vicinity. Or state, perhaps. Brother might be miffed, but it's his own fault; he should have married more wisely.
                            In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                            A life lived by example, done too soon.
                            www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                            • I loff you ESG. What are you doing for the Fourth? Never mind, you're what, 1000 +/- miles away, right?

                              Can't take away a GameBoy, they don't have them. I'll give my brother and the SIL that much. They don't even let them watch network TV. Not after the nasty 'Blues Clues Incident'.

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                              • Originally posted by 2foals
                                No, ESG, there is an idea among many parents nowadays that limiting or stifling children in any way is very negative. My own dear sister and her husband subscribe to this parenting theory
                                Bet repeat invitiations are pretty thin on the ground at their house, eh?
                                In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                • Originally posted by Pat
                                  I loff you ESG. What are you doing for the Fourth? Never mind, you're what, 1000 +/- miles away, right?
                                  Yes, but I'll be there in spirit. Maybe that will quell spawn?

                                  Can't take away a GameBoy, they don't have them. I'll give my brother and the SIL that much. They don't even let them watch network TV. Not after the nasty 'Blues Clues Incident'.
                                  Okay, call me clueless. What is the "Blues Clues Incident"?
                                  In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                  A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                  www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                  • Originally posted by ESG
                                    It takes a village ...
                                    They only mean it takes a village when it comes to money/taxes for stuff for precious. Not disciplining the little darlings. Back in the old days, the village really was involved. Mrs. Smith could whack your butt for teasing the dog and if Miss Crabtree called your parents about you cutting through her yard, then you'd be in trouble when you got home because your parents would believe other adults and not little snookums. Because little snookums frequently lies. (I had a great story about a man ripping my jacket with a knife. Too bad my mother was watching out the window and saw me rip it climbing something I shouldn't have been climbing and getting set down and whacked on the bottom by the next door neighbor for climbing it.)
                                    Delicious strawberry flavored death!

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                                    • My brothers kids(under 5 years old) were using the f word when talking with my daughter. Calling her fing stupid, etc. I know exactly where they got it from. When I asked my SIL to please not let them talk to my kids like that she actually said "I can teach my kids to say whatever the hell I want to whomever they feel like it." She is very good at blaming everyone else for her kids problems when they so obviously point back to her and my brother. She believes in letting them find their own way.
                                      LOL...I've just started letting my 13 year old read the occasional post or thread on here. (with me looking over her shoulder) She read this and looked up at me and said, "And they're still alive?"
                                      I also believe in letting kids find their own way. My kids know if they say certain words or even talk to me in a certain tone, they find their own way into Whump Land. My 13 year old used marker on an older t-shirt of hers and made a shirt that says, "I hate liquid soap!" from an incident when she got mad and said a swear...she was introduced to the ol' washing out the mouth with soap. Only these days we have LIQUID soap! Works MUCH better than bar soap, LOL!
                                      You jump in the saddle,
                                      Hold onto the bridle!
                                      Jump in the line!
                                      ...Belefonte

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                                      • Originally posted by EponaRoan
                                        They only mean it takes a village when it comes to money/taxes for stuff for precious. Not disciplining the little darlings. Back in the old days, the village really was involved. Mrs. Smith could whack your butt for teasing the dog and if Miss Crabtree called your parents about you cutting through her yard, then you'd be in trouble when you got home because your parents would believe other adults and not little snookums. Because little snookums frequently lies. (I had a great story about a man ripping my jacket with a knife. Too bad my mother was watching out the window and saw me rip it climbing something I shouldn't have been climbing and getting set down and whacked on the bottom by the next door neighbor for climbing it.)
                                        Ahh, the good old days! Sounds like my neighborhood, growing up.

                                        Anywho, any "villager" that expects my help in child rearing has got bad luck.

                                        Funny story:

                                        A former friend once told me why it's called child rearing. According to her, babies are born with their brains not in their skulls, but in their buttocks. And every time they get a kick in the pants, a little more of the brain travels up to the skull, where it's actually useful. Kick a kid in the pants enough, and they'll turn out to be worthwhile adults.

                                        I find this theory very appealing.
                                        In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                        A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                        www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                        • Originally posted by ESG
                                          Ahh, the good old days! Sounds like my neighborhood, growing up.

                                          Anywho, any "villager" that expects my help in child rearing has got bad luck.

                                          Funny story:

                                          A former friend once told me why it's called child rearing. According to her, babies are born with their brains not in their skulls, but in their buttocks. And every time they get a kick in the pants, a little more of the brain travels up to the skull, where it's actually useful. Kick a kid in the pants enough, and they'll turn out to be worthwhile adults.

                                          I find this theory very appealing.
                                          Works for me! As I write this my beloved (and only) niece is on her way up from North Carolina for a visit with tata (diminutive word for "Aunt" in French).

                                          Apparantly little precious has become quite the drama queen and is being sent here for 2 weeks because my sister is about ready to strangle her.

                                          Drama queens? On a farm? I don't think so. If she gives me any trouble I think I'll couple her to one of the foxhound puppies tomorrow and let the drama queen see religion. That plus stall cleaning and garden weeding usually puts a dent in the amount of hysterical temper tantrums.

                                          And Miss Rachel is also going to learn how to clean tack - every pony ride must be earned. And she is old enough to start learning her stitches - so out come the needles and thread for her first sampler. I've got flour sack towels galore.

                                          Lordy - I sound awful.

                                          Actually - she's a good kid. Just mouthy. Too much TV, I think.
                                          Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                          Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                          -Rudyard Kipling

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