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  • #41
    Set a line of step-in's and run hotwire about 5 feet inside your outside fence.

    Then the horses will not be able to reach over the fence to the Horse Whisperers who live beside you.

    That's the best I can think of right now. I cannot imagine the hell you are going through. The sheer audacity of it all...
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    • #42
      I would make a priority of a very tall (8') electric fence on the border of your property and the neighbors. I would also install cameras.

      If the dog comes on your property again, I would seriously consider making the dog disappear. Your choice if it permanently disappears or simply winds up in a humane society cage. In another town. A dog that chased one of my horses would be finished off by my older gelding, who has excellent aim and wouldn't think twice about it. My younger horse would be scared and would run, possibly hurting himself. I wouldn't take the chance.

      I would put motion sensors/lights all over your property/barn. And I would make a habit of calling the police when they were triggered by your neighbors.

      Finally, I agree with the poster who said to cease the invitations to the children under any circumstances. Those who want to take a mile shouldn't be given the first inch.

      Good luck.
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      • #43
        If there's a law saying dogs can be shot without warning if chasing livestock, which it sounds like there is, the first thing you should do is go down to Wal-Mart or the gun store, and get a good 20 gauge. Learn to shoot it, and keep it by the back door. Dog comes on your land, no more dog. I have no tolerance for morons like this.

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        • #44
          Invite Misty Blue for a week!

          She'll shoot them with frozen paintballs out of her lazer sited paintball gun

          Hot wire alon the fenceline, plus a second one to keep the horses away from the fence, less wire in the charging unit equals bigger shock...believe me, I know!

          Rosebushes are your friend, I'd stir clear of poisonIvy...that stuff you don't want...though it's fun to see somebody else have the spreading itchy rash...

          Other than that, tell them point blank: *Shut the He** up and get your a$$ of my property!*

          Next step: a leg of lamb, right in the kisser!
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          • #45
            Sorry to hear about your problems but I almost had the exact same problem with my new neighbors, except they were a lot more understanding. They were really trying to keep their dog at home, it just wasn't working. Imagine my horror when the neighbors dog was over "playing" with my 1 week old foal! He is not a mean dog but loves to play and run through my yard, not to mention come over everyday to do his "chores" on my lawn. My dog knows better than to go on the lawn and I didn't appreciate picking up after the neighbors dog or watch him peeing on my hay etc. I would also look out to see the neighbor kids in the pen visiting the horses!! I am sorry, I have young horses and they can be unpredictable and the last thing I need is someone getting hurt!
            So a month ago we tore down the old perimeter fencing between the neighbor and I and put up rail fencing. Underneath the bottom rail and above it we strung electric. We also took out the convenient "walk-throughs" that were there from before. So far I am happy to report it has worked like a charm! Yesterday alone I heard the neighbors dog "light up" twice and could only grin to myself. Electric is a great thing!
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            • #46
              Hi...First of all I love your user name...It's great...

              I'm a Realtor-Associate in Florida...As far as I'm concerned "a man's/woman's home is his/her castle..." You have right to "quiet and peaceful enjoyment of your property..." From what I read on your post your neighbors do not have an "easement by perscription" and there is no "encroachment..." However, laws here may be different in your locale...Like the others have mentioned contact an attorney...I know some of the other members on this bb are attorneys...Hopefully, one of them will have the opportunity to read your post...

              Absolutely post no tresspassing signs!!! You may want to look into appropriate fencing to keep the neighbors and the dog out...

              Good for you...You put your foot down and kept your cool...

              Next time tell them you are a tropical storm on the verge of developing into a hurricane

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              • #47
                I'm an ex-paralegal, and I strongly agree with the letter suggested by ParadiseFarm in post 14. In addition, I would copy the letter to the local legal authorities as well as an attorney after you paid the legal authorities a visit and explained the situation.

                Those kids should never be allowed on your property under any circumstances. The mother's attitude is an indicator of just how well those kids would listen to you if they came for a supervised visit.

                I'm with the hot wire and hedges crowd, too. Sorry that you have to deal with such PITAs!

                Laskiblue

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                • #48
                  i thought jaegermonster's post was right on....

                  you need to rescind the invitation to the kids. Period. The family, any or all of them are not allowed on your property, that way there is no misunderstanding.

                  You need to document all your conversations, and write them the detailed letter and send it certified, return receipt.

                  Here we have a livestock clause saying we can kill marauding dogs. It's harsh---but you could, like someone else suggested, make him disappear. Screw the people, they aren't getting it. Maybe having Bowser not show up home might get the picture across.

                  The signs are imperative---the ones that hold water liabilty wise, and no tresspassing signs as well.

                  Coupled with the letter, they should get the picture. Hot wire as well---shrubbery is going to take a lot of time to grow, you could still do it, but technically it's not your problem.

                  Cover your a$$ from the attractive nuisance thing---hell, could you contact the pony club coordinator as well and let her know the issue?Maybe coming from someone else it might help as well.

                  And let the police know this situation and just remember to document everything.

                  Good luck, and may I say you are a logical and well spoken 19 year old with a lot of common sense. It's a pleasure to read your posts.
                  Ellipses users clique ...
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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Cindy's Warmbloods
                    So a month ago we tore down the old perimeter fencing between the neighbor and I and put up rail fencing. Underneath the bottom rail and above it we strung electric. We also took out the convenient "walk-throughs" that were there from before. So far I am happy to report it has worked like a charm! Yesterday alone I heard the neighbors dog "light up" twice and could only grin to myself. Electric is a great thing!
                    I am lovin' the mental image that conjures up. And before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, I have four dogs of my own..........that stay on my property, in their pen, away from the horses. Why people think it's effing rocket science to keep a canine confined is beyond me.

                    So very sorry you're having this trouble, TS. I agree with the electric fencing inside your current perimeter, and do install no-climb with electric wire on top as soon as you're able. That will solve the dog problem. Electric alone might not, especially if the dog is a Lab or one of the other thicker-skinned, high-pain-threshhold breeds. No-climb will keep anything out.

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                    A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by laskiblue
                      I'm an ex-paralegal, and I strongly agree with the letter suggested by ParadiseFarm in post 14. In addition, I would copy the letter to the local legal authorities as well as an attorney after you paid the legal authorities a visit and explained the situation.

                      Those kids should never be allowed on your property under any circumstances. The mother's attitude is an indicator of just how well those kids would listen to you if they came for a supervised visit.

                      I'm with the hot wire and hedges crowd, too. Sorry that you have to deal with such PITAs!

                      Laskiblue
                      Yup. Ditto this.
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                      A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                      • Original Poster

                        #51
                        Thank you for all the suggestions.

                        I am hoping beyond hope that when the horses come Saturday, it'll be a novelty for a day or two and then pitter off.

                        I'm also hoping that I have illustrated what can happen to their dog sufficiently to make them at least think about restraining them (I have contacted my by-law officer and know exactly what to do if he starts running down my horses)

                        As for the kids...well, we'll see, won't we?

                        I will also be contacting my family's lawyer on the weekend, just to get an idea of what exactly I can do (and if I need to do anything to cover my own butt in case something DID happen)
                        In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.

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                        • #52
                          Instead of Poison Ivy, maybe go for Norwegian Blackberries. Spread like wild fire, have thorns, and have very edible and delectible berries
                          Dear sweet lord NO!!! DO NOT deliberately plant an invasive weed species on your land. Jeez people, think a little before you suggest this stuff!

                          I am all for a prickly thick, tall hedge but not something that is a known pest with an eradication program!

                          I am also all for shooting the dog if it fails to comply with the program. I've seen the damage a dog can do and it ain't pretty.

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                          • #53
                            Two ideas:

                            1. Pop the dog on the arse with a BB gun. We did this to a neighbor's overly "friendly" lab. No lasting damage, and the dog never came back.


                            2. Tell the neighbor you're selling Amway, and wouldn't she like to buy some?

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                            • #54
                              Here's something that will work every time on the doggie's behind. I gar-on-tee it:
                              1) get yourself a 12 gauge shotgun
                              2) get a box of 00 buckshot and some rock salt to go with it.
                              3) take the shells and cut off about the top 1/8 inch or so off the plastic end (not off the metal end)
                              4) fill up with rock salt, put the top back on and secure with a teeny piece of tape (scotch tape even is ok if you are going to use it pretty soon otherwise use masking tape)
                              5) put in shotgun -you can only load these one at a time
                              6) prepare shotgun for firing, then sit on back porch or wherever and await doggy's visit
                              7) when doggy comes callin' pepper his arse with the rock salt and giggle your ass off while he goes wee wee wee aaallllll the way home
                              This will not cause any permanent injury but he sure will remember it.
                              And before anybody gets bent about it, I have 9 huge dogs and my property is fenced so they all stay here and don't go bothering the whole world.
                              Dogs are like kids, you might like them but please don't force yours on the rest of us, is kind of how I look at it.
                              Then you can go back to the gigglin' when you think about your neighbor with his tweezers picking rock salt out of his dog's butt cheeks.
                              This ends your Public Service Announcement from Jaegermonster.
                              "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by Quin
                                I agree with the hot wire, signs, and a certified letter/return receipt. I would also include in the letter that you intend to hold them liable for damages including all vet bills if by their actions, including unauthorized feeding, they cause harm to your horses.

                                You might want to stop by the local police department now, before there are any incidents. Explain what you have done and ask the police what the local procedures are, how best to involve them, etc; stress the potential for damage both to the dear kiddies as well as your very valuable animals (some cops will pay more attention to the issue of the kids; for others, the "valuable livestock" will trigger a response).
                                i agree wholeheartedly. you have to protect yourself and these nutjobs will be ovber there feeding the horses. i would say 2-3 strands of hotwire, so they can't crawl thru it. a letter from a lawyer should do enough to keep them away. so you alienate them. i would WANT to. they sc are me and not even my neighbors.

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by Jaegermonster
                                  Here's something that will work every time on the doggie's behind. I gar-on-tee it:
                                  1) get yourself a 12 gauge shotgun
                                  2) get a box of 00 buckshot and some rock salt to go with it.
                                  3) take the shells and cut off about the top 1/8 inch or so off the plastic end (not off the metal end)
                                  4) fill up with rock salt, put the top back on and secure with a teeny piece of tape (scotch tape even is ok if you are going to use it pretty soon otherwise use masking tape)
                                  5) put in shotgun -you can only load these one at a time
                                  6) prepare shotgun for firing, then sit on back porch or wherever and await doggy's visit
                                  7) when doggy comes callin' pepper his arse with the rock salt and giggle your ass off while he goes wee wee wee aaallllll the way home
                                  This will not cause any permanent injury but he sure will remember it.
                                  And before anybody gets bent about it, I have 9 huge dogs and my property is fenced so they all stay here and don't go bothering the whole world.
                                  Dogs are like kids, you might like them but please don't force yours on the rest of us, is kind of how I look at it.
                                  Then you can go back to the gigglin' when you think about your neighbor with his tweezers picking rock salt out of his dog's butt cheeks.
                                  This ends your Public Service Announcement from Jaegermonster.
                                  I'm LMAO over this! And does this work just as well with a pistol grip 12 gauge (short barrel, home defense)?
                                  RIP Bo, the real Appassionato
                                  5/5/84-7/12/08

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Jaegermonster
                                    Here's something that will work every time on the doggie's behind. I gar-on-tee it:
                                    1) get yourself a 12 gauge shotgun
                                    2) get a box of 00 buckshot and some rock salt to go with it.
                                    3) take the shells and cut off about the top 1/8 inch or so off the plastic end (not off the metal end)
                                    4) fill up with rock salt, put the top back on and secure with a teeny piece of tape (scotch tape even is ok if you are going to use it pretty soon otherwise use masking tape)
                                    5) put in shotgun -you can only load these one at a time
                                    6) prepare shotgun for firing, then sit on back porch or wherever and await doggy's visit
                                    7) when doggy comes callin' pepper his arse with the rock salt and giggle your ass off while he goes wee wee wee aaallllll the way home
                                    This will not cause any permanent injury but he sure will remember it.
                                    And before anybody gets bent about it, I have 9 huge dogs and my property is fenced so they all stay here and don't go bothering the whole world.
                                    Dogs are like kids, you might like them but please don't force yours on the rest of us, is kind of how I look at it.
                                    Then you can go back to the gigglin' when you think about your neighbor with his tweezers picking rock salt out of his dog's butt cheeks.
                                    This ends your Public Service Announcement from Jaegermonster.

                                    And, see, all this time I thought I was the sole resident redneck, lol I am so so glad to have company.... (no offense intended, please don't take any)

                                    Seriously, Jaergermonster is right. That would definitely work on a dog..just not a bull. We did that one time and the bull turned around and chased us....YIKES!!!
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                                    • #58
                                      Can I be in the redneck club, Gnalli? I'm in central GA...county of less than 10 K people in it...LOL!

                                      BTW TropicalStorm, this is what the police told me when I wanted to verify whether or not I could shoot my neighbor's dog in plain view when it yet again comes to attack my horses, "Can you say in court that you did it to protect your horses; that you had spoken with the owners, have witnesses, detailed accounts, etc.?" "Yes" "Then shoot him!" The police officer, BTW, bred, trained, and sold German Shepards as a side biz. he does not hate dogs like I do, he just hates bad ones. And please don't bother me with the "there are no bad dogs, just bad owners", I didn't think about that when my horse was attacked by the neighbor's rottie and then I was attacked, nor will I stand for someone to throw that in my face now. Like Jaeger said, you might love your child, but rest assured that shoving it on me is unpleasant and might land his butt dead.
                                      RIP Bo, the real Appassionato
                                      5/5/84-7/12/08

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                                      • #59
                                        My neighbor, who has since been sent to live in a "retirment" facilty, has 7 dogs. 1 male, the rest females, all un-fixed. The routinly come over to my property and use my spring as a water hole and bath tub.

                                        And, now that they are only getting fed a few times a week, they are trying desperatly to get into my trash.

                                        I have called animal control, spoken with the daughter and son...both in the 40's and old enough to know you cant have 7 dogs and only feed them a few times a week.

                                        My latest concern is that they are getting "pack like". The male is the dominant one, and has one dominant female...even I can see this.

                                        My advice for the dog, get a gun. I love animals, but, if one EVER came after me or one of my animals, its not going to get another chance to do it again.

                                        Sure, the dog might be chasing the horse in fun, but, what happens when he bites a chunk out of your horses leg, and then gets kicked in the head?

                                        If the owners wont do anything, and animal control wont do anything, then its up to you.
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                                        • #60
                                          Yeap go up with the fence, not over. Attach to wooden posts, other pieces of wood, like 2 x4 and go up put your electric CLOSE together, like every 4 to 6 inches and make the sucker hot, damn hot, run two charges or a pig charger(those babies have kick) will keep the dogs and the kids out and the horses safe inside. (trust me on this one)

                                          Or get a lama..they hate strangers. At least if you run the fence up high, they can't just toss food over it. And it will get old after awhile.
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