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Jingles desperately needed, dog attack. RIP Max and Gus. Warning, very disturbing.

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  • #61
    How awful--it's hard enough to lose a pet! Hugs and sympathies to your mom and you!

    And yep, euthansia seems the way to go! If they haven't before, they have
    now tasted blood. What a waste!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by romanschief
      Your beloved Stella is not a street pit 2hrs. As Ishi has pointed out, there is a tremendous difference. Street Pits are thus from god knows what that has been bred in. Kinda like a heinz 57, with a name.
      My beloved Satchel IS a street pit . . . meaning I can't call him an APBT or a Staffy because he isn't either of those things, but he demonstrates all of the characteristics of the pitbull "type." He may have some Am Staff in the mix, and he may have some hunting dog breed mixed in as well but his overall look is that of a pitbull.

      Among those characteristics: big jaws (good for fetching logs out of the lake), big head (good for holding biscuits on), short coat (good for saving grooming time), strong body (good for frisbee catching), kid-loving personality (good for raising children with), and incredible brain (good for learning all sorts of things which have nothing to do with mauling, killing, or crushing anything except kibble).
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      • #63
        I am so very, very sorry for your loss. I simply cannot imagine the pain and horror your mother and you must be feeling.

        Godspeed to Max and Gus. I know that heaven welcomed them warmly.
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        • #64
          I haven't read all of the posts but my gut reaction is put the 2 dogs down.Would there be any hesitation if they had attacked a child in his or her back yard?I love my dog(jack russel) but would not own anything that had the possibility of being deadly.my heart goes out to the two dogs that died thru no fault of their own!
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          • #65
            Quote: Ishi - Huntertwo, The American Pit Bull Terrier was NOT bred to fight. The name says it all. He is still a terrier. He does what all terriers do.

            Ishi, I stand corrected. I should have said in todays world with the Riff Raff, they sadly fight them.

            But I have to say I had a Cairn Terrier, and I wouldn't in a million years compare her in the same class as a Pit Bull Terrier, (meaning "What all Terriers do") She certainly never shred another dog to pieces. A mole maybe... but NEVER did she ever display a moment of aggression.

            But enough said, I don't want to hijack the OP's thread.
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              #66
              Update

              The euthenization of the two dogs is "pending" according to the Animal Control Officer that keeps my mom up to date on the case. Because it was dog-dog attack, instead of dog-human, they do not automatically put them down. Instead, the dogs are labeled "aggressive" and kept in the ASPCA kennel for anywhere from 1 day-6 months. The ASPCA has fined the owners for not having dog licenses, breaking leash laws, and ignoring previous warning. Unfortunately for us, the dogs are healthy and well fed, so they can't press charges for abuse or neglact. They are also being charged $300/week per dog to keep them in the kennels. As far as them getting the dogs back, ASPCA officers have assured us that it isn't a possibility, but there is no law in place saying they cannot get them back. Instead, a judge has ordered that the owners build a 5 ft. fenced in pen with concrete flooring and a roof. The idea is that the owners, who are the "typical" street pit owning thugs, won't pay for it (cost nearly $2500) and will turn the dogs over to the ASPCA. Then the dogs will undergo aggression testing which they will inevitably fail (officers have told my mom that the dogs have shown continuous aggressive behavior) and then they will be put down. It is really sad for the two dogs that the remainder of their lives will be spent in a tiny kennel with no outside time and no human contact at all. At least Gus and Max knew they were loved, and though it was a horrific end, at least they will be missed like a part of the family. I am sure these owners won't even remember their dogs.

              My mom met with her lawyer yesturday to discuss options. She is definately sueing the owners, and that will hopefully drive them out of the neighborhood. She is also trying to include in the suit that the owners not be alowed to own any other pets. This will most likely go through but will be impossible to enforce, since the two pit bulls they had were bought from a backyard breeder and were sold without licenses (required in Forsyth County). She has also decided to sue the property owner for negligent renting--this is one of three houses he rents and is not the least bit careful of who he rents to. Maybe this will make him think twice about puting thugs in his houses. She has been researching many current laws in other states having to do with aggressive dogs. She doesn't want to push any breed-specific laws, but rather focus on the liability of ownership and responcibility. I think its Ohio (maybe Colorado?) where is you own a pit bull or chow you have to carry an insurance policy on the dog and register it. That is more of what we are discussing. My mom has said she is going to wait until the emotions die down about it before she starts really working on chronicaling the amount of dog and people attacks in the state.

              Again, I appreciate everyones' kind words and jingles. My mom picked up Max and Gus' ashes this morning. She said she saw the nice ornate box they are in and just didn't think they would want to be boxed up forever. She has decided to get a necklace cross made with a small amount of the ashes put inside(so they can always be with her, where they loved to be the most) and the rest she is going to scatter along their favorite walking trail where they loved to romp and play. I know it sounds silly and kind of creepy, but knowing those two dogs and the relationship they had with my mom, it fits.
              Last edited by MissintheSouth; Apr. 28, 2006, 08:59 AM. Reason: Update

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              • #67
                While it might not be the pit bulls' fault (I've known some lovely, cuddly pit bulls), the dogs should be put down. Once they've attacked and killed, the chance is too great that they will again, especially as the owners are not responsible. While it's really the fault of the dogs' owner, the dogs are now a time bomb for another mauling.
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                • #68
                  I'm terribly sorry to hear about your mother's dogs, but also upset that Pitbulls continue to get such a bad rep because of owner neglect.

                  We have two pitt mixes that are the sweetest, most friendly and loveable dogs you'll ever meet! It's the owners of these dogs that give the breed such a horrible reputation and get them outlawed.

                  What happened to your mothers dogs should have never occured and my heart goes out to you and her, but really no one is to blame other then the owner of these dogs.
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                  • #69
                    Again, my sympathies to you and your mom. My family has always had schnauzers...I so love the breed.

                    And again - if a petition in any way would help with the judge, the ASPCA, whatever...we'll start one. The owner of these dogs should be held accountable for his actions. What a horrible shame all the dogs had to suffer, as well as your family, for what he has done.
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                    • #70
                      I feel so bad for your mom, not only to lose her dogs but in such a horrific way. I've had dogs attack my animals too but luckily I was there and was able to prevent deaths. I had to put one of my own to sleep for killing animals (mine) though I did try for a year to find a home for her.

                      Once a dog kills it is VERY hard to train them not to and with pit bulls? Forget it. These dogs are dangerous and should be put down. No it isn't their fault they are the way they are but the fact remains they ARE and they should be humanely euthanized.

                      I'd still sue the owners, they may not have any money but you can get a judgement and put a lien on anything they have of value and at least it will haunt their credit line (which probably sucks anyway but still) forever.

                      You definitely need a dangerous dog ordinance there and it should not be breed specific as dangerous dogs come in all shapes and sizes. It should include language about any dog that kills a pet or harrasses people or pets habitually because not all episodes end in injury but for somebody being in the right place at the right time. But if they hadn't been there it would have... Get some media coverage, TV, newspaper.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by CindyGen
                        Well I am a dedicated animal lover and I've done a ton of rescue and rehab, but still in this situation, those two dogs would not have left my property. I would have shot them.

                        I have to say they wouldn't have left my yard either just because of what the family is now going through with the law that could very likely set these killers loose again. I wouldn't torture them but they'd have never been able to hurt another animal (or person) again.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by summerhorse
                          I have to say they wouldn't have left my yard either just because of what the family is now going through with the law that could very likely set these killers loose again. I wouldn't torture them but they'd have never been able to hurt another animal (or person) again.
                          I am having trouble with a neighbor's pit. He has included my yard in his terratory and thinks my dachshunds are intruders. He has sent one of mine to the animal hospital twice. He also went for me one other time when I hauled my dachshund out of the pits mouth.

                          The pit's owner denies it has happened. AC won't do anything.

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                          • #73
                            Carol...shoot, shovel, and shut up. I'd do the same in your situation. I also don't think these two pits would have lived long if I'd come home and found my beloved JRT's maimed and dead in my yard and the culprits in range of my rifle.

                            I agree with most folks that the dogs or their breed are not so much to blame as their deadbeat owners.

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                            • #74
                              They should have been shot 'resisting arrest'!!!
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by carolprudm
                                I am having trouble with a neighbor's pit. He has included my yard in his terratory and thinks my dachshunds are intruders. He has sent one of mine to the animal hospital twice. He also went for me one other time when I hauled my dachshund out of the pits mouth.

                                The pit's owner denies it has happened. AC won't do anything.

                                I now carry a fillet knife and cell phone when I go out of the house.
                                PLEASE be careful! In my attack, I was trying to simply put the neighbor's dog yet once again into a stall so he couldn't get to the horses again. When I grabbed his collar, and started leading him to the barn, he knew what was up and lept for my face. thank goodness for timelyness, I put my arm in front of my face before he GOT my face. He broke skin through a sweatshirt and a long sleeved flannel underneath it, and through my jeans. I now keep a .22 in my truck (my barn is not at my home). At the same token, I understand the fear of accidentally shooting the wrong animal...can you find out about lessons? Check the ranges in your area.

                                BTW, I'm not trying to force a gun on you, just sincerely worried for your well being. Stab wounds don't kill instantly in general. Heck, bullets sometimes don't either, as other people mentioned.
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                                • #76
                                  this may not have even been "aggression". Large dogs, particularly packs of large dogs, who attack and kill very small dogs are often acting as predators-- they are hunting. There is no correlation between hunting behaviors and aggression towards dogs or humans. Think of greyhounds, who WILL chase down and kill any small moving animal, rabbit, cat, squirrel, small dog, makes no difference. Greyhounds are about as non-aggressive as you can get. Killing dogs for acting as predators is wrong. The owner of the dogs should be punished for letting them get out, and if he is incapable of controlling them, they should be re-homed.

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                                  • #77
                                    I am so sorry for the pain and suffering that has come to your family. Please know that your Mother and her sweet dogs are in my prayers. The pit bulls need to be put down as they are not safe for humans or other animals to be around. I hope that the support of this COTH family helps a little. Please let us know if you need our help for a petition, letter-writnig campaign etc.
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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by Appassionato
                                      PLEASE be careful! In my attack, I was trying to simply put the neighbor's dog yet once again into a stall so he couldn't get to the horses again. When I grabbed his collar, and started leading him to the barn, he knew what was up and lept for my face. thank goodness for timelyness, I put my arm in front of my face before he GOT my face. He broke skin through a sweatshirt and a long sleeved flannel underneath it, and through my jeans. I now keep a .22 in my truck (my barn is not at my home). At the same token, I understand the fear of accidentally shooting the wrong animal...can you find out about lessons? Check the ranges in your area.

                                      BTW, I'm not trying to force a gun on you, just sincerely worried for your well being. Stab wounds don't kill instantly in general. Heck, bullets sometimes don't either, as other people mentioned.
                                      Actually if he is THAT close I intend to cut his throat. My rather ecclectic education has given me a solid grounding in functional anatomy. I did consider a gun but at close quarters I am afraid of hitting the wrong animal (or my foot)
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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by carolprudm
                                        I did consider a gun but at close quarters I am afraid of hitting the wrong animal (or my foot)
                                        Cannot say I blame you one bit there...I do have training in firearms, and it scares me too. Especially about the ones I love!
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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by RugBug
                                          Why is it when we put our animals down at the end of life it is the humane thing to do but in this case these animals will "suffer a horrible death"?

                                          Have to agree here. If these two dogs forced themselves into a gated yard and horrifically attacked two dogs and were difficult for the officers, they do not sound like model citizens with redeemable characters. They sound like armed bullies. I would not trust them, and regardless of how they were brought up, would not excuse their behavior.

                                          I have been fortunate enough to have many dobermans and german shepherds in my life, several of them "rescued" as adults from terrible homes. Not a one ever attacked anything, be it another dog, child or adult. Well, maybe a squeaky toy or bone. The "bad home" theory does not always hold water.

                                          Sometimes animals get to the point where they aren't safe for the world. Pet them, love them all you want, they cannot be trusted. And there is no way to guarantee that they will never escape again. After all, these 2 took out a locked gate at least once in their lives.

                                          My deepest sympathies for your mother. Her's is a terrible loss that should not have happened.
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