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Jingles desperately needed, dog attack. RIP Max and Gus. Warning, very disturbing.

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  • #21
    Originally posted by RugBug
    Why is it when we put our animals down at the end of life it is the humane thing to do but in this case these animals will "suffer a horrible death"?
    Nobody likes to euthanize a pet. But these are not pets, they're weapons.

    The refusal to acknowlege that some breeds of dog are inherently more vicious and dangerous than others would explain some of it. The fantasy that neutering and retraining fixes everything and that all owners would be good owners if they just had a talk with them. Lack of experience with getting your own innocent animals torn apart into little bloody pieces or run down with bloody froth coming out their noses would probably explain the rest of it. My condolences to MissintheSouth and her mother.
    Last edited by Sabina; Apr. 27, 2006, 06:04 PM.

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    • #22
      I am sure she ment to say they dogs do not deserve to suffer in death because their owners are prime candidates for the highspeed lead treatment them selves!

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Alagirl
        I think this is in regard to the OPs emotions that those pits ought not to be humanely put down...understandably so...but...
        I guess you can read it that way, Alagirl. But we all know that animal control humanely euthanizes animals. There is no other option available. I personally think EventerJ was being sensationalistic. That's why I responded. If she wasn't, then ignore me.

        To the OP: sorry about your Mom's situation. Losing pets is hard enough, to have it happen in this manner is horrendous.
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        • #24
          Originally posted by MissintheSouth
          So once they got in, they could not get out.
          I think that I might have used my .38 on them if I had found that scene in my yard
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          • #25
            Originally posted by Seahorsefarmtobe
            ummmm...because these two dogs aren't sick or dying.
            how is it right to kill them - that would make it 4 dead dogs.
            Because it is the ONLY way to make sure it won't happen again, or worse.

            We just had a former pit bull owner sentenced to 3 years in jail. Her dogs were running loose and killed an elderly woman and her dog in her own yard.

            VA now has a tough dangerous dog law
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            • #26
              I am so, so, so sorry. Frankly, I do hope they euthanize those dogs. For whatever reason they do have issues that do not make them good citizen in society. It is very sad, but it is the right thing to do. We had neighbors in MI who had two "city' dogs that they moved out to the country. They did not see it fit to contain them because they "loved to run". Well, they also loved to kill livestock and ultimately attacked my children's hunter causing dozens of puncture wounds and a capped hock and lacerations from when he kicked through the oak fencing trying to get them off him. Sadly, they had done this before and it wasn't until they got my horse that the people admitted that maybe they weren't suitable "for farm life". You think? If they were contained properly from the beginning or were taken out of the environment after the first episode a lot of pain and vet bills could have been avoided. Your mom's poor dogs were just minding their own business. It's just devastating.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by RugBug
                I guess you can read it that way, Alagirl. But we all know that animal control humanely euthanizes animals. There is no other option available. I personally think EventerJ was being sensationalistic. That's why I responded. If she wasn't, then ignore me.

                To the OP: sorry about your Mom's situation. Losing pets is hard enough, to have it happen in this manner is horrendous.
                I read the OP being emotional about the pits, maybe a bit vengefull, and I can't blame her. And I believe the refrence to *Horrible death* stems from there.

                Euthanasia needs not to be cruel.

                Heck, even the .38 would be better than the alternative!

                Those dogs need to be destroyed, as humanely as possible, and rather imidiately!

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                • #28
                  You have an adress for either officials or media to bring attention to this?

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                  • #29
                    I would write a letter to your local papers editor and ask for it to be printed. Ask them to cover the story. I would also file suit against the people who owned the dogs, regardless of whether you will get anything or not, that is not the point. In order to change the acceptance of this and change the law, you will have to be very loud.

                    Good luck to you. It is tough in a neighborhood, out here in the country we deal with the neighbors vicious dogs a different way.
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                    • #30
                      First off I am so sorry for your familys loss. I know how devestating it must be.

                      As far as dangerous dogs I am a vet tech and happen to work for a humane society part time helping to treat and evaluate dogs. Dogs that are dangerous or aggressive can be trained to be highly responsive and respectful of an owner however those traits can never be totally eliminated and in a uncontrolled situation some dogs revert to those behaviors.

                      No matter the breed dogs even though domesticated will always be pack animals and in times of stimulation some dogs will behave as a pack hunter. Dogs that are already dog or human aggressive in that same situation can be almost unstoppable.

                      We are a no kill shelter and pride ourselves on a great track record for training and working with dogs that others would give up on. However, any dog that has attacked out of aggression not fear wether it be animal or human is euthanized. No questions.

                      I hate to see this thread turn into a "dangerous breeds " thread many pit bulls, Rottis, GSD's are lovely family dogs but must be raised properly with their breed traights in mind. I have 4 GSD's and a 7 month old daughter I trust them with her life. However if one ever showed aggression twards her or another person I would put them down. That is being a responsible dog owner.

                      I am sorry that tragedy struck your family ... please if blame is to be laid aim it towards the owners for their neglect to properly containe dogs that might be aggressive. The dogs were just pawns in an unfair game... their fate is sealed and its them not the owners that will pay the ultimate price.
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                        #31
                        The local newspaper is the Winston-Salem Journal. My mom's house is about 1 milke from Wake University, to give you a reference. I don't know any specifics about the Animal Control Center, and anyway they are doing their job and have been nothing other than professional and kind to us, we don't want to shed any negative light on them.

                        As far as I am concerned, the dogs NEED to be put down. Not just because they killed our dogs, but because they attacked out of aggression, not as a retaliation or self protection. The way the gate works, there is NO way our dogs coud have opened it-it could only be pushed in and even after the gate was unlocked, it was still very difficult to push open. I think that Max and Gus must have barked at them and gotten their attention, then just couldn't defend themselves. The ASPCA said the two pit bulls had NO cuts or bites, they were perfectly unharmed.

                        Like I said in the first post, I have to keep believing that Max and Gus' death will keep some little kid safe from these two dogs.

                        Thank you everyone for the jingles. I would appreciate it if this didn't turn into a debate about nature versus nurture. We are all dog lovers on here, for the most part. I am very aware that the owners should be the ones who suffer, but like many of these cases, they will not. They did not love their dogs like my mom cherished hers. That is the worst part of all of this for us, how much she loved those dogs. They were her babies and they were absolutely precious. I sent her the Rainbow Bridge poem and she loved it. She says that Max and Gus are now playing sumo-wrestling(their favorite couch hopping game) at the Bridge.
                        Last edited by MissintheSouth; Apr. 27, 2006, 07:10 PM.

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                        • #32
                          I am so sorry for your lose, it is very sad.

                          I do want to point out, dog to dog aggression is very different and not the same as dog to human aggression. I'll leave it at that, but I truly hope your heart can heal well enough to see everyone, but the other dog's owners, are victims here.

                          Those owners should go before a judge, recieve fines, lose the dogs, and be restriced from pet ownership. That is what would happen here. We have a wonderful Dangerous Dog Law (note, NOT breed specific legislation, which is wicked evil) and I fully agree with dangerous dog laws. Under our DDL, these owners would be in serious trouble. Again, I'm sorry for your lose.
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                          • #33
                            I'm sure based on their behavior they will be put down, nobody could adopt those dogs out in good faith.

                            I know that most states have a dangerous dog law and it usualy is very clear what must happen.
                            "I would not beleive her if her tongue came notorized"

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                            • #34
                              How awful!

                              What a horrible tragedy for your mother and her beloved companions. Deepest sympathies to you all.

                              I have four dogs who live in a large fenced yard. I have some neighbors who sound like relatives of the owners of these two aggressive dogs, and my neighbors used to have a pit cross that they kept specifically to scare people off of their property. Unfortunately, the chain they kept the dog on was prone to coming undone or breaking, and the dog would end up circling around my dog yard, marking everything in sight (of course he was not neutered). Your story makes my blood run cold at the potential that my situation had for disaster. Unfortunately for the neighbor's dog, on one of his escape rampages, he went out to the 4-lane and got nailed, so at least I don't have to worry about that animal any more.

                              I regretfully agree that putting the dogs down may be, in the long run, the safest and most humane outcome of the situation surrounding your experience. How unfortunate for those two dogs. How frustrating that the people to blame can't be hurt as badly as your mother, her babies, or the two aggressive dogs have been or ultimately will be hurt. Sometimes, life just sucks.
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                              • #35
                                I am so sorry to hear about the tragic loss of Max and Gus. What an awful way to die. Please give our support and condolences to your mother.

                                As the responsible owner of an absolutely wonderful pitbull, I must say I desperately hope that any dog laws you and your family seek to have put in place are NOT breed specific. It is so much more useful and fair to target irresponsible owners of all breeds than to single out the so called "agressive" breeds which, in reality, are largely represented by wonderful, intelligent, friendly family dogs.

                                That said, I see no point in arguing to preserve the lives of the two dog agressors in this situation. With hundreds of very nice pit bulls with no history of bad behavior dying in shelters every day, I wonder about the logic behind keeping these two dogs, who have most likely been poorly socialized, badly treated and wrongly taught, alive. I would certainly hate to see them returned to their scumbag of an owner. While I'm optimistic that they could be rehabbed by the right caring and experienced owner, there are relatively few people fitting that description who are knocking down shelter doors trying to adopt doggie criminals with records like this.

                                I do not blame the pit bulls for what happened, but rather their owner and his abhorrant behavior. That said, I think that these two dogs must sadly be written off as two more innocent victims of his cruel ignorance. Humane euthanasia is not the most horrible end to such lives. At least the dogs didn't die in a dog fighting ring, on the highway, or starving in an alley like so many others do.

                                As for Max and Gus, they certainly did not deserve such an end. I hope that the pit bulls who killed them are not returned to their neglectful owner, and that your family and your community can remember that it was the owner's defective character and gross irresponsibility, and NOT his choice of dog breed, which led to the tragedy.
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                                • #36
                                  First you and your mom have my deepest condolences. I could not imagine the horror of finding your beloved pets ripped apart.


                                  I DISAGREE about this breed in regards to how they are raised vs. born. They are what they were meant to do. Fight! Yes, other dogs bite, but Pits, once they have hold, nothing you do is going to loosen their grip. Period.

                                  I have a good friend who is a dog handler and even works at a K-9 center. On two separate occassions she took in two pitbull PUPPIES. Raised them, had her daughter bring them to obedience school.

                                  She ended up putting both down. As they aged they turned on her other dogs and ending up attacking her boyfriend.
                                  Of course I'm not saying that all are like that. But, I sure in #hit wouldn't want one wandering my neighborhood.

                                  And if these dogs are given back to the owner and not euthanized, its only a matter of time before they do it again. They already proved they are not the *good* type of Pit.
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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by SGray
                                    I think that I might have used my .38 on them if I had found that scene in my yard
                                    Me too SGray..
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                                    • #38
                                      Huntertwo : This thread is not the place nor the time to pitbull bash. They were not bred to fight other dogs rather to bull bait. As were English bulldogs , bullmastifs , and bull terriers. Dog fighting came along much later.

                                      Again to the owners of Max and Gus I am so sorry that they suffered such a fate. I hope you are sucsessful in bringing their owners to justice.
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                                      • #39
                                        And that makes three of us Sgray, and Huntertwo

                                        Then I would find a no holds barred lawyer, and take these people down. Make them pay.

                                        Those poor poor guys Max and Gus...
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                                        • #40
                                          My deepest sympathies to you and your mom - what a tragic, horrible thing to have happen. I can't even begin to imagine coming home to such an unthinkable scene.

                                          I also believe the 2 dogs should be euthanized. Yes, the way they were raised (and kept in the garage, apparently) is sad and I'm sure had something to do with what they did. HOWEVER, if they have attacked once (and so viciously) they will most certainly do it again. Someone else will lose a beloved pet or worse still, have their child mauled or killed.

                                          The owners are ultimately to blame - and should be punished - but the dogs should be put down BEFORE it happens again.

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